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[01:20:57] <Lightkey> <Avenger> yes wjp, you are brilliant :P Actually, i am brilliant too...
[01:21:19] <Lightkey> the pinky, the pinky and the brain, brain, brain, brain, brain...
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[08:33:52] <edheldil> pupnik: unfortunately, I haven't managed to get it running under wine ... yet
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[09:23:55] <pupnik> edheldil: have there been any ui adaptations for tablets lately? that i have missed?
[09:24:11] <pupnik> like a fork/brankch
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[09:31:02] <edheldil> of what? GemRB? I do not know what you missed, so it's hard to tell. I know only of the iPad one
[09:32:31] <pupnik> ahh ty i didn't hear this
[09:37:11] <edheldil> unfortunately, most porters do not bother to tell us :(
[09:50:07] <edheldil> the question is, could we do better? Could we somehow attract them, so that they form community around GemRB, instead of remaining unknown to us? Perhaps a better forum or web?
[09:50:26] <fuzzie> i think, probably not.
[09:51:32] <edheldil> not what? We can't do better? Web&forum do not matter?
[09:52:25] <fuzzie> the porters don't seem very cooperative.
[09:52:39] <fuzzie> i mean, they generally don't even seem to work on the latest release.
[09:54:41] <edheldil> Sure, but why? Does (for example) the website look so stale that they do not hope in any response from us? Should we be more active in reaching to them?
[09:55:09] <fuzzie> i think because they are just not very cooperative :P
[09:55:14] <edheldil> hehe
[09:55:53] <fuzzie> but maybe i am just very bad at talking to them.
[09:56:14] <pupnik> maybe they are not very dedicated to the task
[09:56:26] <edheldil> would it help if the website had portions for porters? So they would feel that they should not just download&flee?
[09:56:49] <pupnik> a 'ports' section in the forum?
[09:57:10] <fuzzie> yes, i guess they are also busy people with no time.
[09:57:21] <edheldil> who is not?
[09:57:22] <fuzzie> and we are not such an easy project to port.
[09:58:11] <fuzzie> which is why it seems that taking patches is a good idea, and why i left those ugly HAIKU #if statements in, for example - working code seems better than no code.
[09:58:35] <edheldil> compared to solitaire in wxwindows - yes, but apart from that games are generally much better portable than common deskrttop apps
[09:58:42] <lynxlynxlynx> and most of the work is usually getting the dependencies ported, which is not our problem
[09:59:10] <lynxlynxlynx> as far as cooperation goes, the latest two ports are a big improvement
[10:00:12] <fuzzie> huh, GemRB really is in the Market.
[10:00:17] <fuzzie> i mean, the Android Market.
[10:00:18] <edheldil> Perhaps as pupnikl said, ports forum would show that there are other ppl porting GemRB
[10:00:39] <edheldil> what's the price? :)
[10:00:46] <fuzzie> hehe :P
[10:01:03] <fuzzie> i'll have to get someone to try it later.
[10:03:02] <lynxlynxlynx> i sent a moderatorship request to the gibs, so i could overhaul the forum (one sticky for ports for example), but no response yet
[10:03:18] <fuzzie> that's a good idea
[10:03:49] <fuzzie> oh nice, Taimon replied to the dialog thread :)
[10:04:08] <fuzzie> "I can confirm nearly everything you've worked out" - ok, i have to find time to implement my findings, then.
[10:06:12] <edheldil> hehe
[10:07:19] <edheldil> hmm, guys, gemrb.org domain is still free
[10:14:04] <lynxlynxlynx> gem r borg
[10:25:08] <pupnik> hahahahahah
[10:27:19] <pupnik> http://www.osnews.com/story/24136/_FBI_Added_Secret_Backdoors_to_OpenBSD_IPSEC_ [ the FBI paid several open source developers to implement hidden backdoors in OpenBSD's IPSEC stack ]
[10:33:07] <edheldil> well, it's not proven - it's just an allegation, is not it?
[10:33:30] <edheldil> the domain is not free anymore, btw
[10:35:30] <fuzzie> :)
[10:39:51] <edheldil> (I haven't RTFA, but got email from Theo :))
[10:41:43] <lynxlynxlynx> edheldil: given the timespan, that means you registered it?
[10:44:03] <edheldil> hehe. Yes, for one year
[10:44:44] <lynxlynxlynx> cool
[10:45:07] <edheldil> well, now it would be good to use it ;-)
[10:45:35] <lynxlynxlynx> sure, make it redirect to our page
[10:45:58] <lynxlynxlynx> any further communications will be done using that domain
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[11:04:00] <pupnik_> been using the archos 7.0 for 27 hours by the way
[11:04:14] <pupnik_> about 8 sold hours of gaming in there. 29% battery remaining
[11:10:11] <lynxlynxlynx> wow, quite a hype on the forums
[11:17:29] <pupnik_> a few minutes ago, the a70 tablet got linux ! http://www.flickr.com/photos/av500/5262764295/
[11:17:41] <pupnik_> :D
[11:17:55] <fuzzie> oh dear, GPE? :P
[11:19:33] <pupnik_> angstrom yeah
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[11:20:27] <fuzzie> i use angstrom using doing something horrible like the GPE reference build :P
[11:29:28] <pupnik> :)
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[12:41:41] <edheldil> looks like redirect from http://(www.)gemrb.org is now live
[12:48:38] <edheldil> Anyone knows if it's possible to have web hosted on SF on our own domain? I thought yes but can't find it at the moment
[12:57:40] <edheldil> forget it, I have found it
[13:02:43] <fuzzie> :)
[13:09:29] <edheldil> I have changed it, but now the gemrb.org pages are empty. I hope it does not mean that for all of gemrb.sf.net, gemrb.org and www.gemrb.org to work, there would have to be 3 independent webs, grrr
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[14:24:30] <Avenger> hi
[14:25:23] <edheldil> Hi, Avenger
[14:27:22] <Avenger> gemrb.org is in our hands?
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[14:29:24] <Avenger> ah nice :)
[14:29:32] <alban_> Helloall
[14:29:53] <Avenger> hello alban
[14:30:37] <alban_> due to current GOG's promotions, I'd like to purchase some IE games, but I was wondering what's the current status of Linux playing ? Are widescreen patches compatible with GemRB on Linux ?
[14:31:00] <Avenger> yes, with some little work
[14:31:36] <alban_> Avenger: such as ? Actually, is GemRB really better than running the games on wine/cxgames (which I own) ?
[14:31:38] <Avenger> i think bg1 needs some guiscript changes to be committed
[14:32:03] <Avenger> bg1/bg2 are probably nicer than wine, dunno about cxgames
[14:32:28] <Avenger> pst and iwd2 wouldn't run too well, though they are somewhat working
[14:32:33] <alban_> knowing that performance might be an issue, I have an oldish laptop (dual core first generation 1.6GHz)
[14:32:44] <edheldil> hehe
[14:32:57] <Avenger> i read that bg2 on wine has crappy performance
[14:33:07] <alban_> pst/iwd2 wouldn't work with gemrb ? or with wine ?
[14:33:14] <edheldil> if you just want to play, wine might be the easiest option
[14:33:22] <Avenger> we didn't implement everything about iwd2 and pst yet
[14:33:29] <alban_> ah ok i see
[14:33:30] <edheldil> depends on wine's momental mood
[14:33:31] <Avenger> iwd2 is particularly weak on gemrb
[14:33:50] <Avenger> he got cxgames, so that is probably better supported than public wine :)
[14:34:22] <alban_> well the more subjective question then would be, ok so which one is better ? ;) I guess bg2 is a must, i heard pst too
[14:35:03] <edheldil> ps:t!!!
[14:35:14] <edheldil> hehe, I was first!! First! ;-)
[14:35:57] <alban_> hehe
[14:36:03] <Avenger> well, i think bg1/bg2/tob is the best if you want to play the games with gemrb. For pst you will need something else. I think both the bg series and pst are good. PST is more reading :)
[14:36:10] <Avenger> i like both
[14:37:11] <Avenger> you can play bg with your own characters, pst characters are less variable.
[14:37:33] <edheldil> As Avenger said. PS:T is really about (very compelling and poignant) storytelling.
[14:37:43] <alban_> is bg2 better after you play bg1, or no real need of bg1 ?
[14:37:50] <edheldil> iwd2, on the other hand, is mmore about combat
[14:38:15] <alban_> you keep mentioning iwd2, not iwd, the later isn't that good ?
[14:38:19] <Avenger> well, i think bg2 is enjoyable without bg1, but it is like starting a book at chapter 2
[14:38:40] <alban_> Avenger: ok so that's a no then :)
[14:38:45] <Avenger> iwd is good, and at least, it is more or less working with gemrb, but it is just like iwd2 are combat oriented
[14:39:18] <alban_> mmmh choice choice choice :) Guess I'll end up taking all...
[14:39:24] <Avenger> on the story vs combat/custom chars the scale is pst-->bg->iwd
[14:39:37] <edheldil> e.g. in iwd2 (I don't know iwd) you can't talk to other party members. In ps:t it's a must, more or less
[14:40:06] <Avenger> iwd2 and iwd are the same about that. the chars are completely your own, they got no story
[14:40:41] <fuzzie> well, bg1 is a *lot* less accessible than bg2, imo
[14:40:54] <alban_> how about temple of elemental evil btw ?
[14:41:10] <fuzzie> hehe, i am wondering about ToEE too
[14:41:13] <edheldil> does not run in GemRB
[14:41:19] <alban_> ah ok
[14:41:28] <Avenger> it is not compatible with gemrb, and it is full of bugs. The system is good, the story is small, sadly
[14:41:49] <Avenger> i like its combat system, because it is the closest to p&p
[14:42:02] <Avenger> but the programmers were lazy, also the designers :)
[14:42:08] <alban_> haha
[14:42:24] <alban_> mmh I remember playing it long time ago, but not sure I finished it
[14:42:33] <Avenger> it is probably worth buying on gog
[14:42:41] <edheldil> otoh, fallout 1,2 (not sure if on GoG or not) is good. Not compatible w/ GemRB either, though
[14:42:44] <alban_> I think some bug prevented me to go further in one of the lower temples
[14:42:46] <alban_> forgot
[14:42:48] <Avenger> well, if you got it, don't pay for it again :)
[14:43:00] <Avenger> i played it through, but i wouldn't really play it again
[14:43:22] <alban_> Avenger: i have it but in my home town, which is far far away in another galaxy or so ;)
[14:43:47] <edheldil> then buy a new one you must
[14:43:58] <edheldil> ;-)
[14:44:29] <Avenger> be prepared, that gemrb is still buggy, but we try and fix bugs, unlike the original programmers :)
[14:44:56] <alban_> hehe
[14:45:23] <alban_> well hopefully this kind of promo will spark some interest from skilled devs to join you :)
[14:46:06] <Avenger> we already got skilled devs. but the more the merrier :)
[14:46:35] <pupnik> "Far Cry" is now a "Good Old Game" :/
[14:46:43] <Avenger> lol
[14:47:00] <Avenger> it became old without a machine ever be able to run it at full specs?
[14:47:10] <alban_> pupnik: well, it's rather good, and seeing that things seem to get old after 6 months, it's old too ;)
[14:47:10] <pupnik> i was waiting to play it until i have a fast enough machine
[14:48:53] <edheldil> I will have to look at the GoG promo. I have only 2 or 3 copies of each game, could go with another one :)
[14:50:31] <alban_> edheldil: lol. Mmmh, I already have a backlog of games I don't have time to play, but well... been waiting for bg to be in promo ever since it came up on gog
[14:54:30] <Avenger> hmm i think it is worth to buy any ie games on gog, i wouldn't have paid $7 for icewind, but it is the complete series, so, that's fine.
[14:55:34] <Avenger> bg2 comes with tob too
[14:56:05] <Avenger> tob itself is not much of a game, it is just like 1-2 chapters added
[14:56:49] <fuzzie> but it is important to have, especially under wine
[14:58:08] <Avenger> edheldil: fallout 2 is definitely on gog, must be fallout 1 too
[14:58:23] <Avenger> yeah it is there
[14:59:36] <Avenger> btw, the ie games are not the 'best selling'. That surprises me
[15:00:13] <alban_> Avenger: bg2 is the best seller
[15:00:27] <alban_> Avenger: and bg1 is 8th
[15:00:34] <alban_> pst 9th
[15:00:36] <Avenger> hmm, isn't it jagged alliance?
[15:00:49] <alban_> Avenger: for me it shows first
[15:00:57] <Avenger> i must have been reading the wrong list then :)
[15:01:05] <alban_> and jagged alliance doesn
[15:01:07] <alban_> t show up
[15:01:09] <fuzzie> i get the same as alban_
[15:01:16] <Avenger> when i list all games by bestselling
[15:01:33] <Avenger> i see jagged alliance, 3 free scummvm games
[15:01:38] <Avenger> then fallout 1/2
[15:01:46] <fuzzie> that is by number of sales
[15:02:00] <fuzzie> which is not so useful, since the IE games were only recently added
[15:02:01] <Avenger> that is bestselling ;)
[15:02:07] <Avenger> oh well
[15:02:16] <fuzzie> front page has bestselling recently (weeks?)
[15:02:17] <Avenger> planescape is 11th
[15:02:37] <Avenger> i guess we should focus on finishing pst :)
[15:03:15] <alban_> hehehe
[15:03:24] <Avenger> how do you see the last weeks bestsellers?
[15:03:39] <alban_> Avenger: dunno, just go to the frontpage
[15:03:57] <Avenger> ah i see
[15:04:03] <fuzzie> http://fuzzie.org/nfs/gog_best.png <- heh
[15:04:42] <fuzzie> i guess i should buy Arcanum :)
[15:04:42] <alban_> I guess I'll even get NWN. I played the main campaign and it kinda sucked, but i heard there are great mods ?
[15:05:12] <alban_> fuzzie: arcanum works well on cxgames (probably wine too) including high-res patch
[15:05:25] <alban_> fuzzie: a bit slow on my machine though
[15:05:52] <Avenger> nwn oc sucked, and nwn2 oc sucked too
[15:06:32] <Avenger> i had no patience to find good nwn mods. But nwn2's mask of betrayer was good
[15:06:59] <Avenger> they are still no match for ie games
[15:07:42] <alban_> Avenger: well the good thing is that it ran quite well on linux with the native exec
[15:09:39] <Avenger> a pity bioware didn't continue that trend
[15:10:11] <alban_> indeed
[15:10:58] <alban_> and for modern games, with nVidia's absolute bullshit of optimus, future looks bleak
[15:11:07] <alban_> at least for laptops
[15:11:23] <edheldil> eh?
[15:11:59] <alban_> edheldil: well basically on new nv cards with the latest optimus, linux isn't supported, so you're SOL
[15:12:12] <alban_> you can use the intel card but not the nv one
[15:12:18] <fuzzie> i have not so fond memories of the nwn thing, bioware promised a native client and took so long to deliver
[15:12:43] <edheldil> fuzzie: I remember that as well :(
[15:12:52] <fuzzie> made me feel like a real sucker for buying it
[15:13:01] <edheldil> "we could not get mouse wheel to work" and thing like that
[15:13:36] <edheldil> alban_: did not know that, that sucks. I was always relying on NV cards :(
[15:14:26] <fuzzie> the optimus is the thing where the display is only wired to the intel chip?
[15:20:46] <alban_> edheldil: me too, and I'm quite pissed too
[15:21:29] <alban_> fuzzie: yes, from what I understand, the output ishandled by the intel
[15:22:08] <alban_> fuzzie: it gets us back to the old 3dfx model with a standard vga and a separate accelerator :)
[15:22:36] <alban_> anyway, time for me to go, thanks for the advice on ie games !
[15:22:47] <alban_> see you folks, have a good holidays
[15:32:57] <Avenger> see you
[15:36:07] <edheldil> see you
[15:37:19] <pupnik> I wonder how many thousand artist-hours go into making a BG2
[15:43:18] <Avenger> probably a lots, and even more money
[15:44:50] <pupnik> And a reason we haven't seen homebrew gemrb games
[15:45:22] <pupnik> Not many people do art as well as those ie games
[15:48:12] <Avenger> at one time, we had many people
[15:49:46] <Avenger> when we did glory of istar, i think there were 3 or more people creating quality maps for it
[15:51:11] <Avenger> maybe i mistake him for someone else, but iirc, tomprince was one of those?
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[16:27:24] <pupnik> whoah cool
[16:28:01] <pupnik> http://www.forgottenlance.com/games/istar2.htm
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[16:48:01] <tomprince> not me.
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[17:09:38] <pupnik> wow tomprince you're huuuge
[17:10:10] <pupnik> 0_o
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[17:24:46] <tomprince> ?
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[17:53:46] <pupnik> google image search your name tomprince
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[18:47:53] <pupnik> damn tablets. so much wheel-spinning.
[18:48:33] <pupnik> there's some discussion about GemRB on OpenPandora and the 800x480 mods
[18:48:36] <pupnik> http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/56677-gemrb/page__st__45
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[19:28:13] <CIA-5> GemRB: 03avenger_teambg * r0fd4079c35eb 10gemrb/gemrb/override/ (iwd2/sanctuc.vvc shared/sanctuc.vvc): added sound effect to iwd sanctuary (made it shared)
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[22:34:17] <lynxlynxlynx> did any of you play arx fatalis?
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[23:29:52] <pupnik> hey that looks pretty interesting ly
[23:29:55] <pupnik> oop