#gemrb@irc.freenode.net logs for 15 Mar 2010 (GMT)

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[00:07:54] <Lightkey> fuzzie: that is expected behaviour for IRC clients
[00:08:25] <fuzzie> Lightkey: well, i tried it with the two i have here, and they only add a # if there's not already one there (which seems to agree with the specs i can find)
[00:08:43] <fuzzie> but it seems there's nothing really official about it, and there's no harm in changing it..
[00:08:48] <fuzzie> Genrazn: that is a bug?
[00:09:08] <Genrazn> What is?
[00:09:40] <Lightkey> hm, thought that is just some clients being less strict
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[00:12:50] <Lightkey> though it would be more locigal like it was before, since it can have ## or even !
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[00:14:16] <fuzzie> i think i don't understand equipping at all ,still :) but must sleep
[00:17:53] <Genrazn> Curious are there any modders in here?
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[01:00:37] <Edheldil_> night
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[08:49:35] <fuzzie> lynxlynxlynx: the gemrb widescreen mod is still broken for pst..
[08:49:57] <lynxlynxlynx> i know
[08:50:15] <lynxlynxlynx> i need to try it myself, the diffs i sent you didn't help iirc
[08:50:41] <fuzzie> http://pastebin.com/SrgrFJHK is the one i am using
[08:51:14] <fuzzie> (i guess that messes up spaces and tabs)
[08:51:32] <fuzzie> but i don't know if it's a good fix :)
[08:54:22] <Genraznx> Man
[08:54:30] <Genraznx> There should so be a sequel to Planescape Torment
[08:55:01] <fuzzie> difficult :) a spiritual successor in some way would be lovely though
[08:55:21] <Genraznx> Why would it be difficult plop him right int he depths of the blood war
[08:55:32] <Genraznx> Same amount of torment
[08:55:35] <Genraznx> and general vibe
[08:55:40] <Genraznx> Hell it would be even amusing
[08:55:51] <Genraznx> where the option of having him split from mortality was given at the end
[09:02:30] <edheldil> In the middle of Blood war? It would be like ... FPS? Or Real time strategy, building gore harvesters ... ;-)
[09:03:01] <Genraznx> Thrust into the depths of the Eternal War, weighed down by his mortality and the crimes he has committed. Away from Sigil and the balance it had.
[09:04:00] <edheldil> I would miss Annah too muchj
[09:04:07] <Genraznx> Rule of Three, Unity of Rings, Center of All
[09:04:12] <Genraznx> So in that thought
[09:04:20] <Genraznx> bringing the story back to sigil eventually would be a good idea.
[09:08:53] <Genraznx> I just thought it would be a intersting contrast.
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[09:10:32] <lynxlynxlynx> annah was fine, but without morte, she has much less value :)
[09:11:00] <edheldil> why without morte? She was usually bickering with FFG
[09:11:40] <edheldil> moprte was just trying to hook up with any corpse around :)
[09:12:50] <edheldil> that said, I would LOVE to see a new PS game, *IF* it would be good in the same vein as PS:T
[09:13:29] <Genraznx> If you think about it if you pick up where PS:T left off
[09:13:40] <Genraznx> You got a good beginning
[09:13:59] <Genraznx> Hes still tormented
[09:14:03] <Genraznx> Still fucked up
[09:14:27] <Genraznx> And likely much more chaotic
[09:14:47] <Genraznx> away from the Lady of Pain's influence and neutrality and into the depths of chaos and perhaps law.
[09:15:37] <edheldil> maybe rather prequel, with different incarnations... If he was trying to get off the Blood War, that would devalue his redemption, would not it?
[09:16:13] <Genraznx> Why would it? Its his punishment
[09:16:47] <Genraznx> Trying to bring a end to a endless war heh.
[09:17:35] <edheldil> well, *I* thought that he accepted to fight eternally in the Blood War as a fitting punishment for the sacrifice of Dheionarra
[09:18:10] <Genraznx> Mmm from the text I read. Time and Fate were there to 'catch up and snatch him away' and that was to the blood war.
[09:18:58] <edheldil> hmm?
[09:19:22] <Genraznx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGxBrg9WR2A&feature=related
[09:19:28] <Genraznx> the text he speaks to the followers
[09:21:16] <lynxlynxlynx> a prequel sounds like a good idea
[09:21:51] <Genraznx> Mmm... I honestly dont think a prequel would be the best of ideas. Unless your just thinking of just quest expansions
[09:21:51] <lynxlynxlynx> there was a large mod in the making for pst, but nothing got released
[09:22:07] <Genraznx> Cause there are likely thousands of
[09:22:11] <Genraznx> incarnations
[09:22:15] <Genraznx> and nothing really got done
[09:23:11] <Genraznx> dont forget he was also damned...
[09:23:22] <Genraznx> When he was made mortal again
[09:24:26] <edheldil> sigh, I always have almost tears in my eyes seeing this ending
[09:25:58] * Genraznx ponders how much support or interest one would get for writers if he posted in the offical forums
[09:26:25] <fuzzie> are there official forums for PS:T?
[09:26:33] <Genraznx> D&D I think
[09:26:39] <Genraznx> or rather I meant
[09:27:18] <lynxlynxlynx> many of the incarnations lived full long lives
[09:27:31] <Genraznx> that I do not doubt.
[09:27:40] <lynxlynxlynx> even the best ones you meet could easily be made into epic games
[09:27:59] <Genraznx> I just think it would be counter productive to do a prequel.
[09:28:03] <edheldil> hmm, speaking of writers, was there any TSR novel from the PS setting? I do not know any
[09:28:12] <Genraznx> Planescape?
[09:28:14] <Genraznx> Plenty I believe
[09:28:26] <edheldil> any pointer? :)
[09:28:28] <Genraznx> The blood war trilogy I believe
[09:28:47] <edheldil> hmmm the story of Dheionarra ..
[09:29:01] <edheldil> that would be a niiice tragedy
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[09:29:50] <Genraznx> Either or, a fun thought at least.
[09:30:42] <Genraznx> I just thought if a sequel was formed it would continue the plot of the nameless one. Changing it from the 'nameless one' to the Damned one heh
[09:33:05] <edheldil> I think that best chance for good would be if it would have different characters, only crossing paths with TNO in some of his incarnations
[09:35:05] <Genraznx> I guess you dont see the promise of him ending up in the blood war and going on a journey to be 'judged' for his actions or some such or try to find relief from his damnation
[09:39:22] <edheldil> I think that the Blood was would end only if Hell (and abbyss) froze :)
[09:40:35] <edheldil> and I am not sure whether ending something which occupies minds, resources and military forces of Hell and Abbyss is a good idea anyway :)
[09:42:26] <edheldil> btw, speaking of an official book on PS, don't forget that WoTC has changed cosmology (again), the Abbyss is now only an island in Hell :(
[09:42:56] <Genraznx> Well I doubt he would end it
[09:43:26] <Genraznx> But if anything, its a beginning for his suffering
[09:43:26] <Genraznx> damnation
[09:43:32] <Genraznx> whatever other form of torment one can bring.
[09:44:44] <edheldil> knowing the atrocities of his former incarnations
[09:45:37] <Genraznx> Indeed
[09:46:17] <edheldil> I am afraid that to see any decent PS game, it would have to be fan made
[09:46:40] <edheldil> because PS is not interesting to WoTC anymore
[09:48:47] <Genraznx> PS:T was likely the only thing that BROUGHT INTEREST to it heh
[09:49:01] <Genraznx> or some such like that
[09:49:03] <edheldil> hehe
[09:49:05] <fuzzie> well, at least there'd be less competition for a license :)
[09:49:42] <edheldil> Business plan 1) Write Planescape game 2) ? 3) Profit! ;-))
[09:50:31] * Genraznx laughs. "Or lack there of."
[09:51:32] <Genraznx> Use GemRB :P buy the liscence make the game. Release on steam for exposure > ???? > Profit
[09:53:49] <Genraznx> curious ed do you work on GemRB?
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[09:54:53] <fuzzie> edheldil, wjp and Avenger are the gemrb project leaders :)
[09:55:20] <edheldil> but I am not active for quite a long time
[09:55:35] <edheldil> ... I have not been
[09:56:15] * Genraznx nods lightly. "I see, just lack of interest?"
[09:56:20] <Genraznx> or Motivation rather
[09:58:35] <Lightkey> he forked
[09:58:40] <Lightkey> *ducks*
[10:00:24] <Genraznx> There is one feature in BG2 that frustrates me greatly
[10:00:40] <Genraznx> If you dual wield you cant put a ranged weapon on.
[10:01:00] <Genraznx> If you have a 2 handed ranged weapon bow or crossbow you cant put on a shield either
[10:01:06] <Genraznx> so stupid :( Was wondering if you guys could fix that
[10:12:24] <edheldil> Lightkey: I have forked again this February :)
[10:12:51] <edheldil> I forked .... sigh, English tenses are killing me
[10:14:01] <edheldil> I am not sure there's a space for it in character structure
[10:20:56] <Genraznx> hms?
[10:21:29] <Genraznx> well if anything possible top make it into one handed weapons
[10:21:40] <Genraznx> so you can put a shield on while using a bow
[10:21:47] <Genraznx> instead of being forced to pause and switch manually
[10:22:22] <lynxlynxlynx> something like in iwd2?
[10:22:43] <lynxlynxlynx> it's already possible with scripting in the original games
[10:26:58] <Genraznx> Hms?
[10:27:12] <Genraznx> I just find it horribly irratating I cant have a bow equipped while dual wielding
[10:27:17] <Genraznx> or unable to wear a shield while having a bow
[10:27:18] <Genraznx> or some such
[10:27:43] <Genraznx> I doubt the scripts allow for weapon swaps from inventory though :(
[10:27:55] <Genraznx> but im not too sure how advanced scripting is though
[10:30:32] <lynxlynxlynx> well, having everything equipped is no good
[10:30:40] <lynxlynxlynx> bonuses would stack
[10:31:01] <lynxlynxlynx> the switching is easy, but I don't remember how it was done, maybe with hotkeys
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[10:31:43] <Genraznx> Only bonusses I see stacking would be abilities upping.
[10:31:50] <Genraznx> Unless the + to hit also apply
[10:32:10] <Genraznx> or Xbow repeater for +1 attack
[10:32:23] <Genraznx> the ranged weapons are relatively lack luster for special abilities I suppose
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[10:33:17] <lynxlynxlynx> it's not just the bonuses, it also doesn't make sense
[10:33:37] <lynxlynxlynx> shooting with a bow while having a shield equipped?
[10:34:30] * Genraznx shrugs. "Its more of a convenience thing than anything."
[10:34:49] <Genraznx> I doubt anyone would take the time to program or reprogram disabling shields and such
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[10:35:25] <Genraznx> I just think its silly being unable to use ranged weaponry if I have a bow or some such out.
[10:35:34] <Genraznx> rather shield
[10:35:37] <Genraznx> or dual wielding
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[10:37:30] <lynxlynxlynx> your characters are not mariliths
[10:39:48] <Genraznx> would be just so simple if there were weapon sets
[10:39:49] <Genraznx> but alas
[10:39:57] <Genraznx> or disable the graphics or some such
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[10:40:20] <lynxlynxlynx> there are in iwd2 and there are scripts to emulate them for bg2
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[10:40:43] <lynxlynxlynx> not sure what they consist of, so they may work elsewhere too
[10:41:09] <lynxlynxlynx> barraAway: congrats on the demo
[10:41:18] <Gekz> what did I miss?
[10:41:34] <Genraznx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqOK8EPsNDI
[10:41:35] <Genraznx> that song
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[10:49:06] <Genraznx> so how playable are the games on GemRB?
[10:49:41] <fuzzie> bg1, bg2 and iwd1 are completeable.
[10:50:14] <fuzzie> everything else is fairly quickly broken, i think.
[10:51:10] <Gekz_> wtf is that video
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[11:00:52] <Genraznx> http://www.gibberlings3.net/da_portraits/portraits.html
[11:01:00] <Genraznx> For all you DA fans
[11:01:20] <Genraznx> Obviously that video is about cowboys and samurais
[11:01:26] <Genraznx> and how ultimately retarded that concept is
[11:01:35] <Genraznx> That is... ressurected with Red Steel 2 for the wii
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[11:06:48] <edheldil> the problem with those portrait is that they are rather similar, I would say
[11:12:20] <Genraznx> And ugly
[11:14:44] <Gekz_> I hated DA
[11:14:46] <Gekz_> I want my money back
[11:14:50] <Gekz_> it had no character development
[11:14:57] <Gekz_> the quests: go from A to B.
[11:15:01] <Gekz_> nothing like Baldurs Gate
[11:15:01] <Gekz_> :<
[11:17:16] <maighstir> uh, what? go to place A, fetch item B, kill npc C... that's about the only thing you ever do in games, what differs is how it's presented through the story
[11:17:40] <Gekz_> exactly
[11:17:51] <Gekz_> it was presented as go from A to B
[11:17:54] <Gekz_> >_>
[11:18:19] <Gekz_> where Baldurs Gate would often say go from A to B, get fucked over quite a bit along the way, develop a bit as a character, and realise it was all just to point to C
[11:18:27] <Gekz_> when you get to C, plot unfolds some more
[11:18:31] <Gekz_> you shit a brick and lol
[11:24:53] <maighstir> ... yeah.
[11:24:57] <maighstir> trouble is most gamers need the game to be easy to understand, and can't handle the complex, more involving ones
[11:25:25] <lynxlynxlynx> [citation needed]
[11:25:39] <Lightkey> haha
[11:26:08] <maighstir> you have the citation right there, from my own keyboard
[11:26:12] <maighstir> :-P
[11:26:49] <Lightkey> original research!
[11:26:54] <maighstir> indeed
[11:27:05] <maighstir> the powers of observation!
[11:27:14] <maighstir> and free interpretation
[11:27:17] <Lightkey> captain obvious!
[11:28:25] <Gekz_> fuck people
[11:28:26] <Gekz_> and their minds
[11:28:35] <Gekz_> I was playing Alpha Centauri today
[11:28:42] <Gekz_> greatest TBS game ever
[11:28:48] <Gekz_> made in 1999, with proper diplomacy and gameplay
[11:28:57] <Gekz_> and now we're up to Civ V, with DUMBED DOWN mechanics for the mainstream
[11:28:58] <Gekz_> argh
[11:29:12] <Gekz_> supports my hypothesis that kids these days are fucking retards with no future
[11:29:34] <maighstir> 97 to 02 were good years
[11:29:41] <Gekz_> yeah
[11:30:01] <Gekz_> I'm 17, and i'm playing games from when I was 7-10
[11:30:01] <Gekz_> hah
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[11:33:03] <Genraznx> The problem with Dragon Age
[11:33:07] <Genraznx> They fucking killed Duncan
[11:33:11] <Genraznx> what a stupid decision
[11:33:25] <Genraznx> The most interesting and influential character
[11:33:26] <Genraznx> boom dead
[11:33:29] <Genraznx> I was like wtf
[11:33:45] <Gekz_> yeah
[11:33:50] <Gekz_> and they told you from the beginnign waht your point was
[11:33:53] <Gekz_> they ruined it all
[11:33:57] <Gekz_> the discovery process is the best part
[11:37:15] <Genraznx> So you think chasing after Jon Irenecus was bad?
[11:37:24] <Genraznx> Right from the get go he was the main bad guy
[11:38:12] <Genraznx> I just think it was mainly to. Killing off duncan and poor companions
[11:38:16] <Genraznx> Fucking Alistar?
[11:39:12] <Gekz_> Alistair
[11:39:15] <Gekz_> dumbest cunt ever made in a game
[11:39:16] <Gekz_> lol
[11:39:31] <Gekz_> Genraznx: but, you were not exactly sure why you were chasing Jon Irenicus
[11:39:34] <Gekz_> or what his fucking point was
[11:39:40] <Gekz_> he was just some twat coming to ruin your life
[11:39:50] <Gekz_> and you have no idea how to fix it
[11:44:45] * Genraznx muses. "I suppose Bioware dumbed down as most have
[11:44:49] <Genraznx> its like comparing BG2 to DA
[11:44:56] <Genraznx> like Morrowind to Oblivion
[11:45:00] <Genraznx> Morrowind story was epic
[11:45:07] <Genraznx> Oblivion was mainstream bullshit
[11:45:44] <Gekz_> yeah
[11:45:48] <Gekz_> I hope Atari makes BG3
[11:45:57] <Gekz_> so I can see the final nail delivered to the franchise
[11:46:09] <Gekz_> and be completely saved from playing any future game
[11:46:16] <Gekz_> as that would prove to me gaming as a platform of leisure is dead
[11:47:35] <Genraznx> you do realize BG3 is supposed to be a HUGE departure from BG1 and 2
[11:47:55] <Genraznx> it was supposed to be a more 'intimate personal adventure' aimed to level 1-4
[11:50:04] <Gekz_> yep
[11:50:13] <Gekz_> I didnt want a continuation
[11:50:17] <Gekz_> I wanted soemthing new on the Sword Coast
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[11:51:50] <Genraznx> ... Well, I wouldnt get overly excited about it honestly.
[11:51:58] <Genraznx> but if anything
[11:52:12] <Genraznx> if the developer finished teh NWN 2 module you may likely see what BG3 would have been
[11:56:28] <Gekz_> I have no idea what happened with BG3
[11:56:32] <Gekz_> you know a lot more about it than I
[11:56:42] <Gekz_> and I will never install NWN2
[11:56:48] <Gekz_> worst game engine I've had to install so far
[12:07:01] <Genraznx> I thought Jade empire was
[12:07:14] <Genraznx> Too much RPG not enough action
[12:08:23] <Gekz_> didnt play it
[12:09:03] <Genraznx> Consider yourself lucky
[12:09:14] <Genraznx> I wasted money on the collectors edition
[12:11:08] <Gekz_> I paid for the collectors edition of DA:O
[12:11:09] <Gekz_> >_>
[12:11:22] <Gekz_> and I didnt enjoy ME or ME2
[12:11:58] <Genraznx> I enjoyed ME 1 and enjoyed watching 2
[12:12:17] <Genraznx> Mass Effect though is really just taking as much interesting sci fi stuff and putting them all together
[12:12:45] <Gekz_> I found it boring
[12:12:52] <Gekz_> the game mechanic itself was too repetitive for me
[12:13:08] <Genraznx> Its a shooter
[12:13:11] <Genraznx> What do you expect
[12:13:26] <Genraznx> Its like "I click things... so repetitve."
[12:13:55] <Gekz_> lol
[12:13:57] <Gekz_> exactly
[12:14:05] <Gekz_> not as repetitive as Borderlands
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[13:08:50] <edheldil> for me the worst game sequel, engine wise, was the sequel to Betrayal at Krondor - I can't remember how it was called
[13:10:13] <wjp> return to?
[13:10:22] <wjp> (gog.com got it recently)
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[13:55:24] <Genraznx> probably return to krondor
[14:16:25] <edheldil> quite possibly
[14:16:37] <Gekz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3jkUhG68wY
[14:16:47] <Gekz> Genraznx: played the witcher?
[14:17:47] <edheldil> I was really enchanted by Betrayal and it's nicely drawn exotic weapons and armor. Return sported 3d with ugly brown textures, bad control and ugly unrecognizable item icons :(
[14:21:35] <edheldil> I plan to play Witcher, I read the books and got depressed :)
[15:54:37] <barraAway> thanks lynxlynxlynx
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[19:52:36] <Lightkey> edheldil: you like getting depressed? might hook you up with DrMcCoy from #scummvm
[19:53:35] <Lightkey> edheldil: also, you obviously never played Simon 3D after Simon the Sorcerer 2 ;-)
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