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[07:09:52] <wjp> well, looks like Project Eternity is actually on track for that $3.5M
[07:12:27] <fuzzie> scary
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[11:41:51] <WingedHussar> I wish that you devs could do some money on gemrb.
[11:48:55] <lynxlynxlynx> we don't even accept donations, so it's a long stretch
[11:49:29] <lynxlynxlynx> i tried to convince edheldil, the mighty bofh, to take care of that, but with no luck
[11:51:08] <lynxlynxlynx> apply pressure :)
[12:27:16] <edheldil> hmm, pressure me .... what is your login?
[12:32:26] <lynxlynxlynx> where?
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[12:59:38] <jonask> Is gemrb in any way compatible with the BG enhanced edition?
[13:00:31] <lynxlynxlynx> of course
[13:00:59] <lynxlynxlynx> we may need to add a few changes after the release, but most of it will work
[13:01:15] <lynxlynxlynx> there is only one problem i can think of, the gui
[13:01:52] <lynxlynxlynx> they've rewritten it all and if the old bg1 files won't be shipped anymore, one will have to get them from a bg1 copy to have any gui
[13:02:49] <lynxlynxlynx> bbiaf
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[13:28:23] <edheldil> lynxlynxlynx: actually we don't know what changes bgee makes, so who knows?
[13:29:05] <fuzzie> avenger? :-P
[13:35:02] <lynxlynxlynx> yep
[14:22:40] <wjp> ...and that was $3.5M. Crazy :-)
[14:24:04] <edheldil> and still 10 hours to go :)
[14:42:44] <jonask> maybe in ten years you will start a project to recreate that engine too :)
[15:05:57] <lynxlynxlynx> gemrb started almost right after release btw
[15:17:24] <jonask> @lynxlynxlynx: what year?
[15:17:40] <lynxlynxlynx> 2001 or 2002
[15:18:29] <lynxlynxlynx> no
[15:18:52] <lynxlynxlynx> the project was registered on sf on 2000-08-21
[15:19:04] <lynxlynxlynx> and that was already with a big dump from balrog
[15:20:03] <lynxlynxlynx> scm history goes back to Thu Oct 2 12:00:00 2003, when the project switched from cvs to svn
[15:28:37] <lynxlynxlynx> will upgrade our platform
[15:28:45] <lynxlynxlynx> these are the new features: https://sourceforge.net/p/allura/wiki/Features/
[15:29:18] <fuzzie> they can be summarised as "break everything"
[15:31:05] <fuzzie> but since we don't make serious use of the issue tracker, our forums are off-site, and we have github for viewing source.. :-p
[15:32:12] <lynxlynxlynx> Note that the URLs used to access your code repositories will change, and an email will be sent to all project developers with the new URLs after the upgrade is complete. <-- meh
[15:32:31] <lynxlynxlynx> that alone discourages it
[15:32:32] <fuzzie> scummvm's migration lasted a few days, and then we gave up and got them to revert us
[15:32:55] <fuzzie> but presumably they will force the migration on all projects at some point
[15:33:11] <fuzzie> but if anyone is seriously thinking of moving code to github, then that might be best to do first
[15:33:25] <edheldil> heh
[15:34:59] <lynxlynxlynx> "at some point" when they think it is ready, no wonder it is opt-in now
[15:40:15] <lynxlynxlynx> anyway, nothing to worry about yet
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[17:28:36] <brada> hello
[17:34:08] <lynxlynxlynx> oj
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[18:36:28] <lynxlynxlynx> well look who's here
[18:36:39] <rocket_hamster> :D
[18:36:43] <rocket_hamster> so?
[18:36:46] <rocket_hamster> smash some trolls?
[18:37:42] <lynxlynxlynx> sure
[18:38:18] <rocket_hamster> lemme reboot to win then
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[18:41:07] <rockethamster> i hope it works, i cant disable router atm, whole house is on net
[18:41:08] <rockethamster> :/
[18:41:20] <rockethamster> make serv pls
[18:41:53] <rockethamster> oh you cant i have to load save probably
[18:42:08] <lynxlynxlynx> yep
[18:42:36] <rockethamster> ok its up lets hope it work, if not i will have to negotiate with sister
[18:42:36] <rockethamster> :D
[18:44:16] <lynxlynxlynx> nope
[18:44:20] <rockethamster> ok sek
[18:48:06] <rockethamster> try again
[18:49:02] <lynxlynxlynx> i doubt it will work, i didn't see a named network
[18:49:25] <rockethamster> damn
[18:49:27] <rockethamster> yep
[18:49:36] <lynxlynxlynx> wait
[18:50:03] <lynxlynxlynx> do now, i'll restart
[18:50:19] <lynxlynxlynx> eeh
[18:50:41] <rockethamster> its up
[18:51:25] <lynxlynxlynx> why did they use such a long timeout :s
[18:51:43] <rockethamster> i will have to buy new router this one wont allow me to open ports correctly
[18:51:45] <rockethamster> damn
[18:53:48] <lynxlynxlynx> oh, did you load the game up?
[18:54:18] <lynxlynxlynx> once i get the network on the list, it bails out immediately on connect
[18:54:28] <lynxlynxlynx> it was the same yesterday
[18:55:53] <rockethamster> yes
[18:56:03] <rockethamster> problem is not im behind NAT (router)
[18:56:18] <rockethamster> i disabled router yesterday but then noone else can connect to it
[18:56:23] <rockethamster> and i live with family atm
[18:56:33] <rockethamster> so its not that easy to shoo them away
[18:56:51] <rockethamster> you can see game because i forwarded TCP port
[18:57:04] <rockethamster> however i am unable to forwaard all UDP ports because my router doesnt have that option
[18:57:10] <rockethamster> thats why you see game but you cant connect
[18:57:21] <rockethamster> if i get a router that can enable ranges it should work
[18:57:38] <lynxlynxlynx> you think it's also using udp?
[18:57:42] <rockethamster> ofc
[18:57:45] <rockethamster> for player position
[18:57:56] <rockethamster> it has to be streamed
[18:58:05] <lynxlynxlynx> a bit wierd that they use a combo
[18:58:14] <rockethamster> thats usual
[18:58:20] <rockethamster> all fps based games use udp
[18:58:39] <rockethamster> maybe if you create server it will work
[18:58:46] <rockethamster> transfering saves then is matter of one mail
[19:00:30] <lynxlynxlynx> how's that an argument for diversity?
[19:00:45] <rockethamster> diversity?
[19:00:50] <lynxlynxlynx> i doubt transfering saves would work, since the creator has the control over the protagonist
[19:00:58] <rockethamster> we can try
[19:01:20] <rockethamster> actualy if you saved in game you would have saves also
[19:01:29] <lynxlynxlynx> you did have "listen to join requests" on, right?
[19:01:34] <rockethamster> ofc
[19:01:36] <lynxlynxlynx> i can't save
[19:01:37] <rockethamster> its router
[19:01:39] <rockethamster> you can
[19:01:45] <rockethamster> if i enable it
[19:01:48] <rockethamster> in permissions list
[19:02:03] <lynxlynxlynx> well, it was too late, i only have an old autosave with imoen
[19:02:17] <rockethamster> just create server if it works i can mail you saves
[19:02:21] <rockethamster> im positive itll work
[19:02:31] <rockethamster> i think i did it before like that
[19:02:39] <lynxlynxlynx> why would the router only block the traffic one way? if anything, i'd expect it to block incoming
[19:02:57] <rockethamster> problem is i cant forward all ports
[19:03:03] <rockethamster> since there is 3300-3400 range
[19:03:10] <rockethamster> im unable to do it, router wont allow me
[19:03:15] <rockethamster> i can only enbale single port
[19:04:11] <rockethamster> anyway if hamachi creates vpn it shouldnt affect anything, but it seems hamachi doesnt do that well
[19:05:34] <lynxlynxlynx> maybe it just needs to be configured
[19:05:55] <lynxlynxlynx> looking at the details, it says tcp goes over their server, while udp is still direct
[19:06:03] <rockethamster> yes thats the problem
[19:06:24] <rockethamster> tcp transfer "static data" to put it that way
[19:06:29] <rockethamster> udp transfers in stream
[19:06:37] <rockethamster> so you can see game statistics
[19:06:39] <rockethamster> but thats it
[19:09:55] <lynxlynxlynx> that's no reason that it couldn't be tunnelled
[19:10:04] <rockethamster> if you have full vpn
[19:10:09] <rockethamster> you can
[19:10:36] <rockethamster> i dont know any windows free apps that can do full vpn
[19:10:39] <rockethamster> but there are some surely
[19:11:52] <lynxlynxlynx> or put a small switch before the router
[19:11:59] <rockethamster> :D
[19:12:02] <rockethamster> i dont have one
[19:12:07] <lynxlynxlynx> i can't believe this is not solved yet
[19:12:14] <rockethamster> its old game
[19:12:19] <rockethamster> NAT was not an issue back then
[19:12:32] <rockethamster> you know what, i enabled all possible ports on router
[19:12:37] <rockethamster> lets try it without hamachi
[19:12:43] <rockethamster> its only port forwarding issue
[19:12:44] <rockethamster> nothing else
[19:14:27] <lynxlynxlynx> ip?
[19:14:30] <rockethamster>
[19:14:33] <rockethamster> turn off hamachi before
[19:14:43] <rockethamster> and disable its network interface
[19:14:47] <rockethamster> and restart BG2
[19:15:30] <lynxlynxlynx> you do realise this channel is publicly logged? :)
[19:15:41] <brada> heh
[19:16:07] <rockethamster> i dont care i want to play some good old BG2
[19:16:07] <rockethamster> :D
[19:16:11] <brada> makes me grateful for upnp
[19:16:47] <brada> even thoug belkins latest firmware broke it completely :/
[19:19:46] <rockethamster> OpenVPN
[19:20:00] <brada> rockethamster: did you remember to disable/open ports on your computer firewall?
[19:20:21] <rockethamster> problem is i cant forward ranges
[19:20:26] <rockethamster> my 30e router is not good enough
[19:20:37] <rockethamster> i need 3300-3400
[19:20:38] <rockethamster> whole range
[19:20:42] <brada> really?
[19:20:43] <rockethamster> and it doesnt seem to work
[19:20:44] <rockethamster> yes
[19:20:47] <lynxlynxlynx> no luck
[19:20:59] <rockethamster> ok then openvpn
[19:21:00] <rockethamster> it is
[19:21:04] <brada> time to buy a new router ;)
[19:21:08] <rockethamster> i guess
[19:21:28] <rockethamster> at least some that can be flashed with dd wrt
[19:21:32] <lynxlynxlynx> why did you trick me into this ><
[19:21:33] <brada> yes
[19:21:44] <brada> i wish ddwrt supported my router :(
[19:21:52] <lynxlynxlynx> it's clear why i work on gemrb
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[19:25:50] <rockethamster> well dd wrt support my router but those bastards made a new HW revision for this model
[19:25:54] <rockethamster> and thats not supported
[19:26:07] <rockethamster> i hate how they artificialy limit your router with SW rstrictions
[19:26:21] <rockethamster> so you have to pay more for same thing with some SW flags enabled
[19:27:42] <rockethamster> btw
[19:30:29] <rockethamster> yes its totaly not full VPN with hamachi
[19:39:52] <lynxlynxlynx> http://media.obsidian.net/eternity/media/updates/0025/PE-TempleEntrance-ProcessStack-620.jpg
[19:41:36] <rockethamster> that costs 2 mil USB
[19:41:37] <rockethamster> :D
[19:41:47] <brada> USB? lol
[19:42:44] <rockethamster> lol
[19:42:48] <rockethamster> make that USD
[19:43:18] <rockethamster> Ive lost usb lid so thats why its on my mind
[19:45:10] <rockethamster> btw brada i have also upnp enabled
[19:45:18] <rockethamster> i dont think BG2 can take advantage of that though
[19:45:24] <brada> right, but BG2 doesnt know what upnp is
[19:45:28] <brada> yeah that
[19:45:48] <brada> BG:EE should
[19:45:55] <brada> they redid the multiplayer anyway
[19:48:32] <rockethamster> i hope so
[19:48:44] <rockethamster> when is it going to be avaible?
[19:51:27] <brada> november iirc
[19:51:43] <rockethamster> lynx?
[19:52:02] <rockethamster> could you try last time without hamachi?
[19:52:04] <rockethamster> xD
[19:53:07] <lynxlynxlynx> ok
[19:53:49] <rockethamster> sec
[19:53:51] <rockethamster> dont need
[19:54:00] <rockethamster> with my charisma + 5 i convinced sister
[19:54:03] <rockethamster> we can start at 22 00
[19:54:05] <rockethamster> xD
[19:54:14] <lynxlynxlynx> heh
[19:54:23] <lynxlynxlynx> so hamachi again
[19:54:23] <rockethamster> i will plug cable to PC directly
[19:54:24] <rockethamster> yes
[19:55:17] <rockethamster> and i think when i plug cable directly hamachi is not even needed
[19:55:25] <rockethamster> but its good to have it since we know it works
[19:55:46] <lynxlynxlynx> yesterday it didn't work without it
[19:56:15] <rockethamster> i think it was the router
[19:56:20] <rockethamster> as today
[19:56:43] <rockethamster> brada wanna join us?
[19:57:14] <brada> im too busy to even work on gemrb :(
[19:57:25] <brada> have some tests this week i need to study for
[19:57:56] <rockethamster> shame
[19:58:12] <rockethamster> we will melt down some trolls today xD
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[20:08:20] <rockethamster> hmm
[20:08:24] <rockethamster> hamachi shows some error
[20:08:45] <lynxlynxlynx> i can't ping you over it
[20:08:50] <rockethamster> yes
[20:08:57] <rockethamster> reconnect to hamachi?
[20:09:00] <rockethamster> i already did
[20:09:04] <lynxlynxlynx> i did
[20:09:06] <rockethamster> hmm
[20:09:09] <lynxlynxlynx> a new network didn't come up
[20:09:16] <lynxlynxlynx> but the status is fine
[20:10:49] <rockethamster> try to connect to bg server anyway
[20:13:02] <lynxlynxlynx> optimist
[20:13:12] <rockethamster> hmm
[20:13:24] <rockethamster> ill reboot then, maybe we will have to create new hamachin etwork
[20:13:26] <lynxlynxlynx> i feel the problem is on my end
[20:13:39] <lynxlynxlynx> i don't know how to get another connection
[20:13:40] <rockethamster> maybe FW
[20:13:48] <rockethamster> did you enable it yesterday?
[20:13:54] <lynxlynxlynx> once i disabled it like you said, it was gone
[20:14:00] <rockethamster> i will reboot in meantime
[20:14:01] <lynxlynxlynx> the network i mean
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[20:15:24] <lynxlynxlynx> ah, got it
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[20:15:27] <rockethamster> yes
[20:15:32] <rockethamster> its probably just not visible
[20:15:37] <rockethamster> i dont think its deleted
[20:15:48] <lynxlynxlynx> i enabled it
[20:15:57] <rockethamster> yes
[20:16:02] <rockethamster> i see
[20:16:39] <rockethamster> serv is UP
[20:17:05] <lynxlynxlynx> hamachi?
[20:17:08] <rockethamster> yes
[20:17:14] <rockethamster> use my hamachi IP
[20:17:22] <lynxlynxlynx> y
[20:18:07] <lynxlynxlynx> it's the same right?
[20:18:11] <rockethamster> yes
[20:18:15] <rockethamster> its displayed in hamachi client
[20:18:25] <lynxlynxlynx> which is now obscured by a fs app
[20:18:32] <rockethamster> :D
[20:18:37] <lynxlynxlynx> but it's already in the middle of negotiation
[20:18:45] <lynxlynxlynx> i doubt it will work though
[20:18:50] <lynxlynxlynx> i still couldn't ping you
[20:18:51] <lynxlynxlynx> nope
[20:19:08] <lynxlynxlynx> yep, didn't get the name at all
[20:19:30] <lynxlynxlynx> trying something else
[20:23:09] <lynxlynxlynx> reboot helped
[20:23:15] <lynxlynxlynx> oh windows
[20:23:22] <rockethamster> ping still not goingt through :/
[20:23:34] <lynxlynxlynx> does here
[20:23:38] <lynxlynxlynx> try now
[20:23:38] <rockethamster> ok then
[20:23:44] <rockethamster> nop
[20:24:03] <rockethamster> check FW
[20:24:10] <rockethamster> anyway ping is not benchmark
[20:24:58] <lynxlynxlynx> try again
[20:25:04] <rockethamster> iyes!
[20:25:10] <rockethamster> works now
[20:25:16] <lynxlynxlynx> do your thing
[20:25:22] <rockethamster> its already done
[20:25:24] <rockethamster> im w8ing
[20:26:10] <lynxlynxlynx> :)
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