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[12:19:52] <fizzle> this feels a little hackish: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ad3f7b7c/
[12:19:54] <Seniorita> Debian Pastezone
[12:19:55] <fizzle> better ideas?
[12:20:21] <fizzle> problem is control animations that should continue running when game is paused
[12:20:38] <fizzle> e.g. the donate "button" in temples
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[12:46:11] <lynxlynxlynx> doesn't look that bad to me
[12:47:16] <lynxlynxlynx> the iwd2 inventory paperdoll control will also need this set
[12:53:36] <fizzle> how about an IE_GUI_BUTTON flag?
[12:53:52] <fizzle> _PLAYFORCE or something
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[13:03:37] <lynxlynxlynx> are buttons the only one capable of having animations?
[13:03:48] <lynxlynxlynx> but yeah, a flag is needed somewhere
[13:05:08] <fizzle> no, but we already have BUTTON_PLAYONCE and BUTTON_PLAYRANDOM
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[13:05:49] <fizzle> so we'd be naming it consistently at least
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[13:17:22] <lynxlynxlynx> PLAYALWAYS sounds better then
[13:17:37] <fizzle> works for me
[13:46:30] <fizzle> lynxlynxlynx: any comments on yesterday's clock patch?
[13:46:56] <lynxlynxlynx> still need to try it
[14:33:33] <lynxlynxlynx> are you sure the bit moves are ok? eg. they are all of our making and not read from the chu?
[14:48:24] <fizzle> the comment in Button.h says so
[14:53:24] <lynxlynxlynx> ok
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[19:02:37] <traveler__> btw, opera changing engine to webkit internet drama going on since few days
[19:04:13] <lynxlynxlynx> hopefully it won't affect much else
[19:04:15] <traveler__> s/changing engine/going to be based on chromium
[19:04:23] <traveler__> so...
[19:04:56] <lynxlynxlynx> chromium's webkit flavour
[19:05:15] <lynxlynxlynx> they won't go rewrite the whole opera :)
[19:05:38] <traveler__> i hope you are right
[19:06:22] <lynxlynxlynx> it would make no sense
[19:06:24] <traveler__> i got a feeling of 'lets fire most developers and make opera skin/ wait for google acquisition'
[19:06:35] <traveler__> unfotunately, yes
[19:06:55] <traveler__> it would not , but maybe it would from business end...
[19:12:32] <fuzzie> well, they don't make any profit from their html engine
[19:12:36] <traveler__> unfortunately even official press materialism speaks of new 'chromium-based' opera. and still making (some) impact by contributing to webkit & chromium.
[19:12:40] <traveler__> true
[19:12:56] <fuzzie> as long as they keep opera mini working their business model is pretty sound :p
[19:13:05] <traveler__> lol@ materialism / material autocorrect
[19:14:09] <traveler__> i don't have financial reports ;)
[19:14:18] <fuzzie> they're on their website :-p
[19:14:26] <rocket_hamster> hmm why so much love for opera?
[19:14:31] <rocket_hamster> just another browser
[19:14:32] <traveler__> but some time ago biggest revenue was from setting google as default search engine
[19:14:38] <fuzzie> opera mini is only ~$10m of ~$60m but the rest you can do with any engine
[19:15:17] <traveler__> opera was most complete browser on windows some ages ago
[19:15:17] <fuzzie> the highest revenue from the last quarter seems to have been 'mobile publishers and advertisers' though
[19:15:35] <traveler__> and incidentally also lightest on *nix till recently
[19:16:10] <fuzzie> but basically 'desktop consumers' (which I guess is the google revenue) is $16.6m of $60.7m, and the rest is mobile stuff or other embedding (e.g. TV).
[19:16:22] <lynxlynxlynx> my favourite browser
[19:16:27] <rocket_hamster> traveler__, im not sure there are other "noname" browsers that seem pretty light weight
[19:16:57] <rocket_hamster> and yes they have no chance to survive in future "mobile" world
[19:16:59] <rocket_hamster> i guess
[19:17:44] <traveler__> you mean lynx browser?
[19:17:56] <traveler__> or surf based on webkit which pulls in half gnome?
[19:18:04] <rocket_hamster> qupzilla
[19:18:07] <rocket_hamster> orhow its called
[19:18:21] <lynxlynxlynx> webkit depends on gnome?
[19:18:32] <lynxlynxlynx> it started as kde tech :)
[19:19:12] <traveler__> i think you can get gtk or qt flavoured webkit
[19:19:21] <rocket_hamster> chrome is pretty lightweight and they keep working flash for linux
[19:19:23] <traveler__> and i'm not too keen on either
[19:19:35] <traveler__> qupzilla depends on qt
[19:20:03] <rocket_hamster> hmm
[19:20:04] <traveler__> chrome is not lightweight
[19:20:08] <rocket_hamster> opera doesnt?
[19:20:11] <traveler__> nope
[19:20:32] <traveler__> some years ago qt was used for skinning mostly
[19:20:47] <lynxlynxlynx> it can use gtk too
[19:20:49] <traveler__> but not anymore
[19:20:54] <traveler__> now yes
[19:21:11] <rocket_hamster> what does it use then?
[19:21:17] <traveler__> x
[19:21:21] <lynxlynxlynx> it's hard to say opera was ever lightweight though
[19:21:31] <traveler__> relatively lightweight
[19:21:58] <lynxlynxlynx> even if you ignore the textmode browsers, it had competition in the form of minimalistic stuff like w3m, emacs, midori ...
[19:22:11] <traveler__> by some years ago i was referring to opera <10 which depended on qt33
[19:22:16] <rocket_hamster> well its pretty bad ass for using x directly
[19:22:18] <lynxlynxlynx> and don't forget it bundles an email client, did a bittorent one ..
[19:22:20] <traveler__> emacs is os
[19:22:29] <traveler__> midori depended on gtk stugg i think
[19:22:29] <fuzzie> lynxlynxlynx: their browser engine was lightweight and portable though
[19:22:40] <traveler__> true
[19:22:42] <lynxlynxlynx> the engine sure
[19:22:42] <fuzzie> my iptv set top box is *all* opera.
[19:22:45] <traveler__> and with all this bundle
[19:22:48] <fuzzie> it's scary.
[19:22:55] <traveler__> was usually lighter on resources than firefox
[19:23:11] <rocket_hamster> firefox is a hog
[19:23:38] <rocket_hamster> i swear it computes hashes in backgroud
[19:23:40] <rocket_hamster> :D
[19:23:46] <traveler__> well you could be
[19:23:54] <traveler__> i saw some nifty gif (?)
[19:24:15] <traveler__> which tricked visitors to compute hashes
[19:24:26] <traveler__> i don;t reckon details, but it was pretty awesome
[19:25:08] <lynxlynxlynx> for bitcoin?
[19:25:40] <traveler__> that could be one use
[19:27:27] <rocket_hamster> btw guys heared of kartuga
[19:27:29] <rocket_hamster> or how its called
[19:27:45] <rocket_hamster> browser game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGEcxYzs0Ho
[19:27:46] <rocket_hamster> amaizing
[19:27:55] <Seniorita> Kartuga Area Introduction - YouTube
[19:29:08] <traveler__> hamster: "well its pretty bad ass for using x directly"
[19:29:08] <rocket_hamster> who would of thought you could make a game like that in browser
[19:29:12] <traveler__> what do you mean by that?
[19:29:20] <traveler__> ah
[19:29:24] <traveler__> bad ass
[19:29:27] <traveler__> not bad as
[19:29:32] <traveler__> ok
[19:29:47] <rocket_hamster> :)
[19:31:39] <lynxlynxlynx> webgl i guess
[19:31:51] <edheldil_> Kartuga looks beautiful
[19:32:22] <edheldil_> sadly, it reminds me I have to prepare campaign for tomorrow dnd session
[19:33:02] <rocket_hamster> i think its html5
[19:33:13] <rocket_hamster> that stuff is future
[19:33:16] <traveler__> and works only in chrome?
[19:33:24] <edheldil_> Instead of reading horribly convoluted code of inept developers on crack
[19:33:25] <rocket_hamster> dunno
[19:33:26] <traveler__> i'm speaking of ewebgl bit
[20:13:44] <lynxlynxlynx> rocket_hamster: do you have time now?
[20:32:48] <rocket_hamster> sorry not now
[20:33:00] <rocket_hamster> if you mean for a game
[20:33:12] <lynxlynxlynx> ok
[21:00:05] <traveler__> i miss giht sounds in iwd
[21:00:08] <traveler__> *fight
[21:00:35] <traveler__> chapter text in second one
[21:00:39] <traveler__> is invoked twice
[21:00:45] <traveler__> once upon entering area
[21:00:56] <traveler__> and then after resting
[21:05:07] <traveler__> stunned by beetles. they are going to finish me...
[21:05:26] <traveler__> a bit too effective?
[21:06:34] <traveler__> excellent, again
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[21:25:58] <traveler__> argh
[21:26:16] <traveler__> potion container is disbundling 14 antidotes stash
[21:26:30] <traveler__> and game allows only to stack 4
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[22:20:51] <fizzle> do we know that the actor speed "formula" (walk anim frame count) is correct?
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