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[08:07:09] <Genrazn> Hey anyone alive?
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[08:31:51] <Nomad010> hello
[08:33:28] <Genrazn> Sup?
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[08:39:12] <Genrazn> hey lynxlynx
[09:22:51] <Edheldil> Hi
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[09:36:27] <lynxlynxlynx> oj
[09:38:08] <Genrazn> Im actually taking the making the game thing rather seriously
[09:38:14] <Genrazn> and have quite a bit of stuff brewing in my mind
[09:38:51] <lynxlynxlynx> start small or you'll fail
[09:38:58] * Genrazn nods.
[09:39:04] <Genrazn> If anything
[09:39:27] <Genrazn> I want to get a 'bible'
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[09:39:39] <Genrazn> Write down areas and associated quests and villages
[09:39:59] <Genrazn> Just as the Lion and the Constellation Leo signify the Sun and the day, the Naga represents the night, the Luna world. The importance of this is reflected in the Cambodian Khmer mythology of their creation and the tradition of Khmer Kings of being praised for unifying the solar and lunar races of kings and of associating a lineage with the sun or moon which tradition came from India."
[09:40:29] <Genrazn> Basing my game on asian mythology
[09:41:07] <Genrazn> THere is a tale in my country or rather a finding by a chinese scholar that went to my land.
[09:43:24] <Genrazn> He went to the country. Where he lived there comfortably and having been in the capital was curious how the emporor spent his time. Unable to meet the man himself he was told how he had spent his time. Surrounded by beautiful nymph dancers usually naked. He would then depart to his tower at night here he would meet a beautiful woman with features of that of a snake. Where he would lay with her each night. If he had failed
[09:43:25] <Genrazn> in that task for even a night. It would mean his imminent death. Or somewhere in the near futrue.
[09:46:35] <Genrazn> The setting and history is starting to settle in my mind
[09:46:39] <Genrazn> just a matter of writing it down
[09:48:59] <Edheldil> Genrazn: if you want, I can send you a list of files needed to bootstrap GemRB. Or maybe I can post it to wiki, if I find the login somewhere.
[09:49:25] <Genrazn> Im not going to worry about modding until I write my 'bible' down.
[09:49:31] <Edheldil> hehe
[09:49:34] <Edheldil> ok
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[09:57:40] <Genrazn> The idea for my campaign is set in of coarse a asian theme.
[09:57:56] <Genrazn> Where inhabited in this world are various 'beastmen'
[09:58:07] <Genrazn> Not traditional gnolls goblins or kobolds.
[09:58:41] <Genrazn> But Feral Tigermen, to reclusive nomadic Elephants. To even monkeys.
[09:59:16] <Genrazn> The game would set out during the depths of a empire in decline.
[10:00:13] <Genrazn> I mentioned earlier... of the emperor and the tower I was thinking of making that a important plot device.
[10:00:18] <Genrazn> More so dream sequences and the like.
[10:04:49] <Genrazn> I was thinking, during the time when humans were nothing more then barbaric savages. They made a pact with the naga, to ascend from the depths into the empire they became. During that period, they united a variety of tribes under there banner and created the empire the players will play in. A marvel of civilized culture and advancement. To expanding rapidly with sheer force. Until finally they were stopped at a decisive
[10:04:50] <Genrazn> battle. Killing the leader and caused interdynasty conflict. Along with agressive neighbors that took advantage of that time.
[10:07:05] <Genrazn> The royalty slaughtered or perhaps cast out to the wind. The capital is now inhabited by monkey beastmen. The capital a haunting place now, the statues with a zenlike face showing what was once a magnifiscent place. Now ruled another race. The humans no longer having the coordination and the like are falling victim to the vicious tiger tribes of the land.
[10:07:12] <Genrazn> Any comments and thoughts so far?
[10:12:44] <Edheldil> sounds interesting, at least IMO
[10:16:59] <Genrazn> Just thinking of various areas.
[11:37:54] <Genrazn> curious
[11:38:25] <Genrazn> Can IE have animated backgrounds?
[11:38:30] <Genrazn> like water and stuff
[11:38:36] <Genrazn> to whatever else
[11:41:14] <fuzzie> yes, i'm not sure how flexible it is
[11:45:00] <fuzzie> but basically the backgrounds are made of tiles, and you can both animate the tiles themselves as well as having 'transparent' sections of the tiles to combine with things like water animations
[11:47:16] * Genrazn nods. "Thanks."
[11:47:20] <Genrazn> So what are your thoughts fuzzle?
[11:48:37] <fuzzie> i never have any idea about stories or ideas or anything :)
[11:49:08] <fuzzie> and i am still working on gemrb in the sense that i am happy to fix bugs, but i have little time..
[11:49:20] <Gekz> quite uni
[11:49:22] <Gekz> quit*
[11:49:24] <Gekz> finish GemRB
[11:49:29] <Gekz> tell them it's more than adequate a reason
[11:49:49] <Gekz> I'm starting a new collaboration site :)
[11:49:53] <Gekz> I'm calling it Octal Labs
[11:49:54] <fuzzie> they are not very convinced :(
[11:50:05] <Gekz> it differs from SF in that it doesnt follow US Export laws
[11:50:10] <Gekz> so Cubans, etc are allowed access
[11:50:24] <Gekz> and it's more communal, as projects wil have a say in what services are involved
[11:50:41] <Gekz> service will be for-profit, but profit to expand, not just for me :P
[11:50:43] <fuzzie> and you have a few million euros to fund it? :)
[11:50:47] <Gekz> haha
[11:50:48] <Gekz> no
[11:50:51] <Gekz> but I have free servers
[11:50:51] <Gekz> :P
[11:51:03] <Gekz> we'll see how it goes
[11:51:09] <Gekz> wont hurt to try
[11:52:37] <Gekz> fuzzie: I honestly dont see how it would cost millions to run
[11:52:38] <Gekz> lol
[11:53:43] <fuzzie> well, the nice thing about sourceforge is the mirrors, you can use huge amounts of bandwidth from them
[11:54:02] <fuzzie> i guess you could negotiate something with the mirrors outside the US too :)
[11:55:43] <Gekz> mirrors will be an interesting thing
[11:55:54] <Gekz> I dont believe the initial load will be too much to handle
[11:56:04] <Gekz> but once we get more than 2 or 3 projects, things will start to take off I imagine
[11:56:19] <fuzzie> it is scary how fast bandwidth gets used
[11:56:30] <Gekz> yep
[11:56:34] <fuzzie> i put a 15mb tarfile for a not very popular project on my server at some point
[11:56:44] <Gekz> the difficult part is looking into how to make a profit from this
[11:57:00] <Gekz> I'm going to use oc.tl as a url shortener most likely
[11:57:02] <Gekz> with an ad banner
[11:57:07] <Gekz> hopefully pull in a bit of profit
[11:57:07] <fuzzie> and one month it managed to use 50gb of traffic
[11:57:26] <Gekz> lolo
[11:57:42] <lynxlynxlynx> silly Gekz
[11:57:43] <fuzzie> just from the interest of a few thousand people for a relatively small file..
[11:57:50] <Gekz> lynxlynxlynx: how so
[11:58:05] <lynxlynxlynx> wheel/how water
[11:58:10] <lynxlynxlynx> hot water
[11:58:23] <Gekz> ?
[11:59:00] <lynxlynxlynx> there are plenty of collaboration sites
[11:59:08] <Gekz> I know
[11:59:20] <Gekz> there's a reason many of them are unpopular
[11:59:28] <fuzzie> because they are not very good? :)
[11:59:34] <Gekz> yep
[11:59:43] <Gekz> they dont engage with the projects
[11:59:47] <Gekz> and they offer nothing very useful
[11:59:50] <Gekz> with absurdist rules
[11:59:55] <Gekz> and ugly interfaces
[12:00:02] <Gekz> there's a reason sourceforge is still on top
[12:00:03] <Gekz> lol
[12:00:13] <Gekz> google code kinda helps a little, but it's quite limited
[12:00:16] <Gekz> and gitorious is just git
[12:00:18] <Gekz> like github
[12:00:45] <lynxlynxlynx> there are siblings for other scms
[12:01:18] <wjp> Gekz: I think you're underestimating how useful somebody else taking care of lots of sysadmin stuff for you is
[12:01:19] <Gekz> what
[12:01:32] <Gekz> wjp: this wont be a one man operation
[12:01:38] <Gekz> this is a group operation
[12:02:34] <fuzzie> lynxlynxlynx: can we depend on libtool 2.2?
[12:03:28] <lynxlynxlynx> we don't force it yet
[12:03:46] <fuzzie> well, one of tomprince's patches is using it (i can't see why)
[12:03:50] <lynxlynxlynx> i don't think it would be a big deal, it has been out for a long while iirc
[12:05:01] <wjp> centos is still on 1.5
[12:05:03] <fuzzie> you need 2.2.6, it seems
[12:05:11] <Gekz> wjp: there would be a full time sysadmin working on it
[12:05:25] <Gekz> one with lots of experience in this sort of stuff
[12:05:49] <Gekz> and I have the financially backing of another person, not a lot of money, but enough to get me started
[12:07:41] <lynxlynxlynx> one sysadmin? :)
[12:07:53] <wjp> fuzzie: any idea what 2.2 does that 1.5 doesn't do?
[12:10:40] <fuzzie> wjp: well, i am looking at LT_INIT
[12:10:56] <fuzzie> i imagine it was a cleanup change, i'll have to ask.
[12:11:08] <Gekz> lynxlynxlynx: for now -.-
[12:11:15] <Gekz> why you gotta be so mean
[12:11:15] <Gekz> haha
[12:11:37] <lynxlynxlynx> because money is involved
[12:12:00] <lynxlynxlynx> i'm more lenient when people just waste their free time, since they do get some experience out of it
[12:12:28] <Gekz> I fail to see your argument
[12:12:31] <lynxlynxlynx> but with money ... go ahead and prove me wrong
[12:12:35] <lynxlynxlynx> make us proud :)
[12:13:08] <fuzzie> but this patch also includes '-sahred' in the LDFLAGS, so i perhaps need to look more closely.
[12:13:19] <Gekz> lynxlynxlynx: I think you've misunderstood me lol
[12:13:24] <Gekz> I have _some_ money
[12:13:26] <Gekz> and free servers
[12:13:38] <Gekz> it's not exactly 6 digits
[12:14:08] <lynxlynxlynx> it's still a waste imo
[12:14:29] <lynxlynxlynx> you're did not describe anything inovative
[12:14:48] <Gekz> it's still in the design process, lol
[12:15:05] <Gekz> you expect a lot for something with no implementation plan as yet
[12:15:10] <Gekz> I just know what resources I have available
[12:15:18] <Gekz> I will be meeting up with people before I finalise anything
[12:15:23] <Gekz> and fully planning it to every detail
[12:15:36] <lynxlynxlynx> http://savannah.gnu.org/ <-- this is one great collab system and it is free software, so anyone can improve it
[12:15:47] <Gekz> and you are right, if it brings nothing new to the market, than it's irrelevant
[12:15:49] <lynxlynxlynx> you need to do something new to make a difference
[12:16:46] <Gekz> yep
[12:22:44] <fuzzie> wjp: any idea why google doesn't index the irc logs?
[12:22:47] <Gekz> lynxlynxlynx: on the note of "something new", do you have anything you believe should be a part of a new collaboration environment?
[12:23:55] <lynxlynxlynx> no, i'm satisfied
[12:24:14] <fuzzie> with savannah?
[12:24:15] <wjp> fuzzie: it does, I think
[12:24:27] <lynxlynxlynx> there are some problems with the underlying systems, but that's unrelated
[12:24:41] <lynxlynxlynx> fuzzie: yes, i use gna and it's great
[12:24:53] <lynxlynxlynx> sf we all know ...
[12:25:09] <fuzzie> wjp: it doesn't seem to manage more than a couple of the gemrb ones
[12:25:15] <lynxlynxlynx> haven't tried any of the c[ptr]an ones
[12:25:47] <wjp> fuzzie: hm, no idea in that case
[12:26:22] <fuzzie> ok, i was just wondering if you were blocking it or something :)
[12:59:03] <Edheldil> maybe the google bot got bored ;-)
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[21:25:52] <Lightkey> Edheldil?
[21:26:43] <Lightkey> why do you keep hiding from me? you know I only want your best!
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[22:07:21] <Lightkey> Gekz?
[22:08:19] <Genraznx> Hey lightkey
[22:08:32] <Genraznx> do you do anything for GemRB? Or just chill here
[22:08:59] <Lightkey> I am a level 42 lurker
[22:10:21] <Genraznx> nice
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