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[07:43:23] <edheldil> speaking of the web interface ...
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[14:42:32] <kettuz> Any idea what has happened to Gibberlings3?
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[15:34:17] <brad_a> G3 has been down all morning?
[15:38:09] <edheldil> awww
[15:38:24] <edheldil> I knew it would be good to mirror it
[15:40:27] <edheldil> I guess they forgot to pay for domain or hosting
[15:46:00] <brad_a> edheldil: why do you say that?
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[15:47:32] <edheldil> because I think it's most probable. Domain looks ok, so it's some hosting issue
[15:52:33] <edheldil> later
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[16:19:09] <Yoshimo> do you know why gibberlings3 is not accessible right now?
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[16:22:13] <brad_a> nobody has said anything other than theories
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[16:22:54] <Yoshimo> theories i can have myself thanks^^
[16:23:40] <fuzzie> well, it's not an uncommon occurance that someone forgets to deal with the hosting, g3 is fairly resource-intensive etc
[16:24:43] <Yoshimo> too much traffic that is not paid for: takedown^^
[16:25:00] <fuzzie> i think more cpu, with forums, but i honestly don't know much
[16:27:10] <brad_a> if it were resourse throttling wouldnt it be back up by now? dont most companies throttle ussage in smaller windows?
[16:27:44] <brad_a> and usually come with a page stating that too
[16:27:52] <fuzzie> i think the throttling is more along the lines of "you're using too many resources, we've cut you off until you deal with it again"
[16:28:12] <fuzzie> any shared hosting actually cheap enough to throttle resources automatically would probably sink under the load of g3 immediately, no?
[16:28:13] <brad_a> this generic 403 makes it seem more like a site problem to me rather than hosting
[16:28:29] <brad_a> well G3 never seemed that busy to me
[16:28:46] <brad_a> but i mostly stick to the gemrb forum so i dont know
[16:29:12] <fuzzie> maybe you're getting a different page to me
[16:29:27] <brad_a> if they were on a dedicated server that is being throttled i would still expect something other than a 403
[16:29:34] <fuzzie> if you get a 403 forbidden on the index.php, then it's the host having sabotaged the db
[16:29:48] <brad_a> what are you getting?
[16:29:53] <fuzzie> but i am just getting the host's "This site has been suspended" page
[16:29:59] <brad_a> nope not me
[16:30:52] <fuzzie> if you google then there've been discussions about it :)
[16:31:18] <Maighstir> http://forum.gibberlings3.net/index.php gives me forbidden, http://forum.gibberlings3.net/ gives me site suspended
[16:32:12] <brad_a> ah
[16:32:16] <brad_a> that makes sense
[16:32:26] <brad_a> stilly way to do that tho
[16:33:15] <brad_a> i would have though a domain level redirect/rewrite
[16:33:37] <fuzzie> would you lower yourself to running shoddy webhosting, though? :)
[16:34:48] <brad_a> ha ha no! i have a dedicated virtual server at my disposal
[16:35:02] <fuzzie> i think everyone does nowadays
[16:35:30] <Maighstir> Being the cheapass I am, I run my hosting myself :-)
[16:35:40] <brad_a> i was just going to say that
[16:35:45] <brad_a> its not hard to do
[16:35:52] <brad_a> even without a static ip
[16:36:17] <fuzzie> well, it depends what you're hosting and what kind of line you have
[16:36:29] <brad_a> i certainly dont pay for this server i use its for work but they have let me do personal things with it in the past
[16:36:47] <brad_a> well im not popular enough to get that big of a load :-P
[16:37:35] <fuzzie> alas.
[16:37:54] <fuzzie> i can push about 50mbps from home, but i have absolutely no use for it
[16:38:08] <brad_a> still nice that you can!
[16:38:25] <Maighstir> Bett have and not need than the other way around.
[16:38:35] <Maighstir> Better*
[16:38:39] <brad_a> indeed
[16:38:47] <fuzzie> yes but i'd much rather the people hosting 500mb files on their 512kbps DSL have it isntead :P
[16:39:18] <fuzzie> i don't suppose either of you have android phones?
[16:39:27] <brad_a> i have a N1
[16:40:12] <Maighstir> LG GW620 running OpenEtna (Android 2.2)
[16:40:57] <brad_a> openetna? never heard of that. whats it do?
[16:42:12] <Maighstir> Custom ROM, the GW620 only runs Android 1.5 officially (except some American carrier that may or may not have released a 2.1 upgrade)
[16:42:43] <Maighstir> And maybe the Korean model was upgraded as well.
[16:43:05] <brad_a> but the rom doesnt have an unique features. just lets you install 2.2 on unsupported devices?
[16:44:10] <fuzzie> am looking for obscure devices to test a scummvm build on
[16:44:49] <Maighstir> Specifically, OpenEtna ( http://openetna.com/openetna/ ) is CyanogenMod ( http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ ) for the LG GW620
[16:45:11] <brad_a> ah cyanogen. thats what i use
[16:45:26] <fuzzie> i think so far there is no custom ROM for what i'm using
[16:45:37] <fuzzie> someone did make CWM work a couple of days ago though, which is a start
[16:45:37] <brad_a> which is?
[16:45:42] <fuzzie> a Galaxy Tab 8.9
[16:45:47] <fuzzie> i.e. ridiculously expensive and brand new :/
[16:46:03] <brad_a> not happy with it?
[16:46:13] <fuzzie> well, the touchwiz launcher thing is terrible :)
[16:46:56] <brad_a> im starting to feel the same way about android in general. 4.0 was very underwhelming
[16:47:11] <fuzzie> well, a serious alternative would be nice
[16:47:24] <brad_a> yes hat would be lovely
[16:47:37] <fuzzie> i chose this purely on the basis of the screen
[16:51:39] <Yoshimo> what is wrong with android 4.0?
[16:51:52] <fuzzie> it is boring :p
[16:52:12] <fuzzie> although anything 2.3+ is ok with me
[16:54:25] <Yoshimo> im unsure wether to buy an samsung galaxy tab 10.1 or an ipad 2 and wait for jb and the idroid project^^
[16:54:50] <fuzzie> it really depends on what you want to do with them
[16:56:14] <Yoshimo> well mails games and internet should work either way i guess
[16:56:21] <fuzzie> yeah
[16:56:46] <fuzzie> but iOS has so many more games available
[16:57:44] <Maighstir> Dualboot the "more stuff available" iOS and the "less closed" Android?
[16:58:09] <Maighstir> (I hesitate to call android "open")
[16:58:19] <fuzzie> mm.
[17:03:38] <Yoshimo> Maighstir: one option, but the newer hardware aka a5 has no exploit yet, which prevents people from porting android over to apple things^^
[17:04:00] <Yoshimo> and the a4 is slow because they have work real life and university
[17:08:05] <brad_a> yoshimo: gemrb on iOS is much more playable IMO
[17:09:13] <Yoshimo> btw brad, are you still working on font related stuff?
[17:09:20] <brad_a> touch geststures beate the hell out of trying to use touchscroll areas etc
[17:09:22] <brad_a> yes
[17:09:36] <brad_a> i just have some minor palette issues to overcome really
[17:10:26] <brad_a> i just need to find the time. i thought after midterms i would be able to get around to it
[17:10:35] <brad_a> it would only take me a few hours or so
[17:16:21] <fuzzie> i think most game stuff is more playable on iOS, just more people who are wiling to put in serious work on them
[17:18:11] <brad_a> i guess it wasnt too long go that gemrb didnt even work on iOS
[17:18:48] <fuzzie> your port is also just on top of SDL, right
[17:18:49] <fuzzie> ?
[17:19:00] <brad_a> yes
[17:19:03] <brad_a> but sdl 1.3
[17:21:18] <fuzzie> can you do anything like e.g. per-game homescreen icons?
[17:22:14] <brad_a> thats a good question
[17:23:05] <brad_a> i assume i could just by making an empty appbundle with the command set to some master gemrb with supplied opetions
[17:23:34] <brad_a> but i dont know how similar iOS appbundles/info.plists are to OS x
[17:25:54] <brad_a> i think ill give that a try if i ever get an ios device
[17:26:20] <brad_a> ill be due for a new phone when ios 6 and iphone 5 come out… may be tempted to ditch android
[17:26:59] <fuzzie> on android you can hook the 'make new shortcut' on the homescreens which is cool
[17:27:18] <fuzzie> since you can add a gui which gives you a list of available configs or whatever
[17:27:24] <brad_a> you can have it send arguments to an app that way?
[17:27:48] <brad_a> yeah i could just extend my cocoa wrapper to provide a list of games
[17:27:53] <fuzzie> homescreen icons are just 'intents'
[17:27:59] <fuzzie> like fancy urls, with parameters
[17:28:32] <fuzzie> and when a user makes a new icon for an android app, you can popup a GUI to configure the intent that gets created, it's pretty neat
[17:29:19] <brad_a> that is cool
[17:29:41] <fuzzie> someone showed me an app called 'Any Cut' which will let you make an intent to anything
[17:29:52] <brad_a> not really a killer feature unfortunately. :-P
[17:30:29] <fuzzie> it's very useful for stuff like gemrb though :) *if* anyone is willign to code it, of course
[17:30:34] <brad_a> the advancement in jailbreak technology has brought some very cool file managers and the like for ios that make me care less about android
[17:30:43] <fuzzie> yeah
[17:30:49] <fuzzie> like i said, i bought this device solely on the basis of the hardware
[17:30:55] <brad_a> well no that beholder is out im not sure we have any android devs around
[17:31:50] <fuzzie> and i imagine apple will come out with a fancy iPad 3 at some point with better hw
[17:32:42] <brad_a> well i wish apple would do something with springboard. i doubt they will ever do a full file manager but having everything in pages like that is so annoying to me
[17:33:08] <brad_a> i would miss widgets too...
[17:33:26] <brad_a> i will have a lot of pros and cons to weigh in a year or so
[17:34:43] <fuzzie> probably all completely different by that point :)
[17:35:51] <brad_a> one can hope so!
[17:37:58] <brad_a> first one that lets me send a text from my laptop using bluetooth wins
[17:39:33] <brad_a> the sad part is before i had a smartphone i had a sony erickson that could do that
[17:39:38] <fuzzie> hehehe
[17:40:06] <fuzzie> well i bought this tablet instead of a smartphone, so i have old bluetooth-capable phone too :)
[17:41:29] <brad_a> 2 steps forward 1 step back it seems
[17:42:18] <fuzzie> i'm surprised noone wrote software to do it though?
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[17:52:17] <brad_a> me too
[17:52:41] <brad_a> there is some crummy notification app that will alert me to things via blutooth
[17:52:45] <brad_a> but not send anything
[18:10:05] <Yoshimo> what do you want to do with BT exactly?
[18:10:48] <brad_a> i want when i get a text/mms for my phone to transmit that to a client on my laptop so that i can reply without having to take my phone out
[18:10:59] <brad_a> also i can type faster on my keayboard
[18:11:11] <brad_a> and many times i dont hear/feel my phone
[18:15:21] <Yoshimo> i think i have something like that, with the diffrence that you have a cable between pc and phone
[18:15:37] <brad_a> yeah BT or nothing for me
[19:02:01] <chiv> I am in gemrb button heaven :0
[19:09:56] <brad_a> ?
[19:10:52] <chiv> fiddling about with the action bar... trying to expand it
[19:17:34] <Yoshimo> i usually want less buttons in each piece of software
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[19:22:00] <chiv> me too
[19:22:38] <chiv> or more accurately, better organised...
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[20:14:47] <brad_a> well palette issues solved… but ive done something wrong with the bam fonts….
[20:16:29] <brad_a> the letters are all aligned to the top instead of baseline
[20:28:09] <Yoshimo> palette is what exactly? colors?
[20:33:30] <brad_a> yes essentially
[20:33:59] <brad_a> i dont exxactly understand them all that well actually
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[20:58:45] <chiv> hmm, can anyone fill me in on whats up with gibberlings3?
[21:04:29] <brad_a> http://log.usecode.org/gemrblog.php
[21:20:19] <chiv> cool, you can make the use item button work with all inventory slots :)
[21:22:23] <chiv> well.. the learn spell ability shows up in the list and there is no scrolling, but thats expected...
[21:23:23] <chiv> i need iesdp to proceed though :(
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[21:31:40] <brad_a> you mean this: http://iesdp.com/
[21:33:35] <chiv> ah nice, a backup - thanks for that
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