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[19:15:57] <lynxlynxlynx> boom
[19:16:09] <fuzzie> ?
[19:16:13] <lynxlynxlynx> let's see if i can reproduce that
[19:16:26] <lynxlynxlynx> went to test the favourite stuff and got a crash
[19:16:34] <fuzzie> ah
[19:17:10] <lynxlynxlynx> yep
[19:17:34] <lynxlynxlynx> btw, will you have time for those leavearea fixes this year?
[19:18:10] <fuzzie> I have stopped thinking about trying to get things done before end of lectures.
[19:18:13] <fuzzie> That is ~20 Dec.
[19:19:55] <lynxlynxlynx> that's fine, we're not in a hurry
[19:20:11] <lynxlynxlynx> i'd just like to see it happen someday sooner than later
[19:21:11] <fuzzie> right, just trying to give some insight
[19:21:55] <fuzzie> right now I have a class assignment which is due tomorrow, have to write a whole bunch of clientside code, and the other group only got the test server working a few hours ago...
[19:24:07] <lynxlynxlynx> good luck
[19:24:13] <lynxlynxlynx> doesn't irc distract you?
[19:30:34] <fuzzie> yes
[19:30:38] <fuzzie> so feel free to ask questions :P
[19:31:59] <lynxlynxlynx> i should just temporarily kickban you from here :P
[19:32:27] <lynxlynxlynx> but it's odd, sometimes procrastination does help productivity
[19:35:06] <fuzzie> well, I don't care so much about the quality of this
[19:35:12] <fuzzie> and probably I am stuck poking at it until the deadline
[19:36:40] <lynxlynxlynx> the server interface still a moving target?
[19:37:40] <fuzzie> they claim it's frozen
[19:37:50] <fuzzie> I quote, ""Hello Client, this is the lovely server <3 ^^. [actual spec changes here] Have fun implementing this sweeties bff forever."
[19:38:12] <fuzzie> so I imagine I can't trust them :)
[19:38:33] <fuzzie> but it's for a university project, it's all in version control, so it's clearly not our fault
[19:41:10] <lynxlynxlynx> :)
[20:12:50] <lynxlynxlynx> ok, found the bug
[20:13:32] <lynxlynxlynx> either getcombatdetails should get leftorright by reference, so it modifies it with the && IsDualWielding() check or it has to be added everywhere else
[20:14:24] <lynxlynxlynx> it ends up being true and for a ranged weapon it results in a shield slot lookup, which of course doesn't yield anything
[20:27:44] <lynxlynxlynx> huh, now no ammo is used up
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[20:33:25] <Avenger> hi
[20:33:35] <lynxlynxlynx> oj
[20:38:12] <lynxlynxlynx> i fixed two favourite weapon bugs now
[20:38:30] <lynxlynxlynx> but i noticed ammo is not being reduced anymore (even before the changes) :S
[20:38:51] <Avenger> heh
[20:38:57] <Avenger> was it ever reduced?
[20:40:43] <lynxlynxlynx> of course
[20:40:58] <Avenger> btw when u display the identified name, would it still display the unid name if the item is unidentified?
[20:41:21] <lynxlynxlynx> it worked a few commits ago - i needed it to check that we don't switch to fists
[20:41:22] <Avenger> it should not display identified names of unidentified items
[20:41:44] <lynxlynxlynx> slight info leak, but i doubt anyone would care
[20:41:54] <Avenger> i do
[20:42:04] <Avenger> but i'll fix it
[20:42:07] <Avenger> it is easy
[20:42:16] <Avenger> hmm, maybe not
[20:42:36] <Avenger> i wonder what happen in the original
[20:43:36] <Avenger> do you access baldursgate.com ?
[20:44:45] <fuzzie> is it out yet?
[20:45:20] <lynxlynxlynx> shows here
[20:46:14] <fuzzie> forums are veeery slow
[20:48:36] <Avenger> preloads already started a while ago, but the final downloads will open in 2-3 days
[20:49:07] <fuzzie> it says right here "you can access it immediately after release on November 28th"
[20:49:19] <lynxlynxlynx> too bad you have to buy it for the preload; we could've started investingating sooner and for free otherwise
[20:49:28] <fuzzie> and I count a bit more than 3 hours left :P
[20:49:28] <xrogaan> WHY NO BGEE ?
[20:49:31] <Avenger> hmm, i didn't know, i thought it is still 2 days
[20:49:48] <Avenger> maybe the deadline is today then :)
[20:49:59] <Avenger> and maybe that's why the forum is so overloaded
[20:50:15] <Avenger> i couldn't upload the new dltcep :(
[20:50:43] <fuzzie> aw
[20:51:24] <Avenger> i was in a constant chase of keeping it compatible with gradual changes :)
[20:51:52] <xrogaan> Avenger: the deadline what 51 minutes ago
[20:51:59] <xrogaan> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=BG:EE+Release&iso=20121128T13&p1=80
[20:52:04] <Avenger> i see
[20:52:13] <Avenger> that's why it is do slow then
[20:52:25] <xrogaan> my launcher says "Preloading completed"
[20:52:40] <xrogaan> won't let me play >:(
[20:54:00] <Avenger> well, i can't test the release, because i didn't activate my gift release. The beta works.
[20:54:49] <Avenger> the stand alone downloader seems to be stuck
[20:54:51] <Avenger> hmm
[20:54:59] <xrogaan> shame
[20:55:14] <Avenger> well, the servers are probably burning
[20:55:50] <Avenger> ok, file checker started
[20:56:57] <xrogaan> oh did you achieve that ?
[20:57:14] <lynxlynxlynx> so, how much work do you reckon we have?
[20:57:27] <lynxlynxlynx> keeping the bg2 guiscripts
[20:57:29] <Avenger> work on what? bgee compatibility?
[20:58:07] <lynxlynxlynx> yes
[20:58:17] <Avenger> the gui got some new buttons, a help page and a credits page
[20:58:32] <lynxlynxlynx> pretty irrelevant
[20:58:53] <lynxlynxlynx> i saw the guiinv changes btw
[20:58:57] <Avenger> the biggest change happened in the last week, the new comrpessed tilesets
[20:59:08] <Avenger> other than that, ogg sound
[20:59:19] <Avenger> we already support ogg, don't we?
[21:01:06] <lynxlynxlynx> yep
[21:01:28] <Avenger> other than that, it is like a bgtutu, more or less
[21:01:47] <lynxlynxlynx> great, almost out of the box
[21:02:05] <lynxlynxlynx> i guess if you uncompressed the tiles using the new dltcep, you could play immediately
[21:02:38] <Avenger> no, i didn't implement rewriting the tileset, just displaying the stuff. but that would be trivial
[21:02:50] <lynxlynxlynx> wtf, reverting both my last (to avoid a conflict) and your fav weapon registering commit does fix item usage
[21:03:05] <Avenger> ?
[21:03:14] <lynxlynxlynx> GetUsedWeapon has sideeffects=
[21:03:21] <Avenger> oh damn
[21:03:36] <fuzzie> ouch
[21:03:38] <lynxlynxlynx> like i said before, in master ammo isn't being discarded anymore
[21:03:51] <Avenger> yeah, i understood :)
[21:04:04] <lynxlynxlynx> and if you use -w, 80f9468a95da96f2f7553a3df3ad989abc0f18c7 is only that single block
[21:04:42] <xrogaan> the bgee team should go to irc
[21:05:00] <lynxlynxlynx> right, wi.slot is overriden
[21:05:14] <Avenger> irc? like freenode #bgee? :D
[21:05:23] <lynxlynxlynx> i'll just make a copy
[21:06:26] <xrogaan> Avenger: of course
[21:07:06] <Avenger> lynx can you fix it?
[21:07:15] <lynxlynxlynx> they use twitter, irc is too oldschool now
[21:07:26] <lynxlynxlynx> Avenger: already testing
[21:07:51] <Avenger> twitter is not realtime
[21:07:58] <Avenger> its bandwith is smaller, no?
[21:09:16] <lynxlynxlynx> pushed
[21:09:27] <xrogaan> YEAAAH!
[21:10:01] <lynxlynxlynx> and limit on length
[21:10:21] <lynxlynxlynx> not really appropriate for more than two people at a time
[21:10:24] <xrogaan> I still don't get how they manage the launch
[21:10:42] <xrogaan> the forums shouldn't even be impacted by the bandwith problem :x
[21:11:02] <Avenger> the forum is a single server, it could even be ddos-d
[21:11:12] <xrogaan> right
[21:11:13] <Avenger> the download servers are distributed
[21:11:22] <xrogaan> they should have put a varnish or something
[21:12:09] <Avenger> that's what sometimes i see displayed :P
[21:12:17] <Avenger> varnish cache... and a blank page
[21:12:24] <xrogaan> okay
[21:13:01] <xrogaan> I don't want to know how huge the amount of request that server is getting
[21:13:41] <Avenger> lynx did you buy the game?
[21:14:08] <lynxlynxlynx> nope
[21:14:33] <lynxlynxlynx> don't really see much sense
[21:14:47] <Avenger> well, the black pits is fun
[21:14:51] <lynxlynxlynx> you have it, so you can make the gory stuff work
[21:15:07] <xrogaan> you can zoom !
[21:15:31] <xrogaan> btw, Avenger, do you know if I will need to buy another copy of the game once the Android version is shipped ?
[21:15:43] <Avenger> i don't know
[21:15:47] <xrogaan> seems rubbish to me, if I have to.
[21:15:51] <fuzzie> I think, yes.
[21:16:07] <fuzzie> they licensed them as separate products or something
[21:16:21] <Avenger> i'm not sure, but not sure about the opposite either
[21:16:48] <lynxlynxlynx> hopefully it just pisses people off and we get more packagers for android
[21:17:02] <Avenger> lol
[21:17:09] <Avenger> i don't know
[21:19:05] <Avenger> to be honest, i don't see those small devices as a viable platform. And all considered, bgee's zoom feature is good for those.
[21:19:28] <fuzzie> sure, but there's lots of big devices
[21:19:51] <xrogaan> Avenger: tablets aren't that small
[21:19:53] <fuzzie> and beamdog don't intend to support the small ones like phones, right?
[21:19:57] <fuzzie> right, it says 'for Android Tablets'
[21:20:09] <Avenger> how big are those?
[21:20:18] <xrogaan> fuzzie: wanna see my big device ?
[21:20:21] <fuzzie> the standard is 10"
[21:20:37] <fuzzie> the resolution will be the problem, for example the Nexus 10 is 2560x1600
[21:20:56] <Avenger> 2560, whoa
[21:21:23] <fuzzie> so if you want it to work well, I guess you need a scalable GUI, as well as a zoom feature
[21:21:26] <Avenger> ah yes, bgee has dynamic window resizing
[21:22:14] <Avenger> i like that, because i like to play in windowed mode
[21:22:34] <Avenger> well... play means, one window for editor another for the game :0
[21:22:36] <xrogaan> I can tell that the beamdog launcher uses internet explorer just by the sound.
[21:23:08] <Avenger> uses for what?
[21:23:18] <xrogaan> Avenger: I have 2 screens. One for works, one for the rest.
[21:23:36] <xrogaan> uses to display news and download ?
[21:24:02] <Avenger> btw, there is a standalone downloader, isn't that public?
[21:24:14] <xrogaan> yes, it is
[21:24:29] <Avenger> i read it is better than the full client
[21:24:53] <xrogaan> Option the First: Download and install the latest version of the Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition stand-alone installer, which can be found 'here'.
[21:25:01] <xrogaan> Option the Second: Install Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition through the latest versopm pf the Beamdog client, which can be obtained 'here'.
[21:25:27] <xrogaan> Avenger: better than what ?
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[21:25:56] <Avenger> the standalone downloader is better than the beamdog client
[21:26:16] <Avenger> at least that's what i read, people wrote it is faster
[21:30:46] <Avenger> xroogan: new dltcep is available, can you test it, if you can view an area tileset?
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[21:35:12] <xrogaan> no x64 ?
[21:35:44] <xrogaan> the launcher is currently doing some shit
[21:36:05] <xrogaan> i don't know if it's wise to use dltcep right now
[21:37:17] <lynxlynxlynx> don't save anything and it should be fine
[21:37:54] <Avenger> yes, if you use it in read only mode, it cannot break much
[21:38:10] <Avenger> on the other hand, if you just update, yeah, don't use it
[21:38:33] <Avenger> it won't break anything, but it might read some invalid data
[21:40:14] <lynxlynxlynx> it will crash at worst
[21:40:51] <xrogaan> 1.7GB / 1.8GB - currently downloading at 30 KB/s
[21:42:30] <Avenger> is it the standalone thing with p2p enabled?
[21:42:35] <xrogaan> yeah
[21:43:40] <Avenger> well, at least you got the answer, why you cannot play it yet :)
[21:43:46] <Avenger> maybe at the end of this dl
[21:44:24] <xrogaan> yes, it started recently though
[21:44:51] <Avenger> yes, beta received some update too
[21:46:55] <xrogaan> Avenger: Setup really needs a wizard
[21:47:32] <xrogaan> there is no override folder in bgee
[21:48:19] <Avenger> it supports the override, but they put everything in bifs ;)
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[21:49:33] <xrogaan> I can't resize the dltcep window
[21:49:55] <xrogaan> I just saw the "Setup" button in the bottom after editing the settings
[21:50:22] <Avenger> ?
[21:51:12] <Avenger> well, why would anyone want to resize the 'dltcep window'
[21:51:41] <Avenger> you can resize the dialog editor, but that has some use ;)
[21:52:06] <xrogaan> Avenger: because it doens't have the right size ? :)
[21:52:37] <Avenger> if you make it smaller, then the buttons wouldn't fit
[21:52:45] <Avenger> if you make it larger, then there would be gaps :)
[21:54:04] <Avenger> by the way, how did you manage to edit the settings, without the setup button
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[21:54:16] <xrogaan> http://i.imgur.com/ReBxS.png
[21:54:19] <Avenger> unless it was a brand new install
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[21:54:33] <xrogaan> see at the bottom ?
[21:54:39] <Avenger> huh,
[21:54:49] <Avenger> that's the fault of your OS :P
[21:54:59] <xrogaan> of course it is
[21:55:14] <Avenger> i have half a button gap between the edge of the window and the button
[21:55:19] <xrogaan> "Settings -> Change settings"
[21:55:57] <Avenger> well, it is strange
[21:56:39] <Avenger> i have a nice margin all sides of the window
[21:56:53] <xrogaan> the screenshot can't lie
[21:57:08] <Avenger> yes, i see
[21:57:13] <Avenger> your header is in 2 rows
[21:57:17] <Avenger> that's the problem
[21:57:22] <Avenger> but that's your OS :D
[21:57:25] <Avenger> is that a linux?
[21:57:28] <Avenger> wine?
[21:57:38] <xrogaan> it's a windows 7 (lame huh ?)
[21:57:45] <Avenger> yeah
[21:58:01] <Avenger> i saw this happen on linux, though
[21:58:16] <xrogaan> well, you're gonna get a lot of those *****
[21:59:14] <Avenger> i made the main window a bit wider, so the menu will fit, hopefully
[21:59:35] <Avenger> you probably got some different font in win 7
[22:00:09] <xrogaan> can't you detetect whether or not the header is in 2 rows ?
[22:00:48] <xrogaan> if it is: wider!
[22:01:16] <Avenger> i'm sure there is a way
[22:01:32] <Avenger> but i don't think i will try that :D
[22:01:39] <xrogaan> you could put specifics settings for win7
[22:02:36] <Avenger> or just set the menu font without leaving it to the default :D
[22:02:51] <xrogaan> yeah, you could do that
[22:03:23] <xrogaan> but then people will bitch about your font hurting their eyes :P
[22:04:59] <Avenger> it should be the same as the button fonts
[22:05:05] <Avenger> you can read the buttons
[22:05:10] <Avenger> the menu seems to be different
[22:10:32] <Avenger> ok, i'm not doing anything :)
[22:10:48] <Avenger> to change the menu font, i would have to go owner drawn
[22:11:07] <Avenger> the alternative is just to change the default menu in windows O_o
[22:11:36] <xrogaan> or allow people to resize the main window
[22:14:25] <xrogaan> :p
[22:17:48] <xrogaan> okay, download finished
[22:18:16] * xrogaan withdraws from society...
[22:29:23] <Avenger> so i guess people start playing?
[22:38:09] <lynxlynxlynx> that's what they paid for?
[22:41:10] <xrogaan> couldn't save right away
[22:41:18] <xrogaan> my character died right away too
[22:41:27] <xrogaan> mff
[22:42:55] <xrogaan> only option in "graphics": fullscreen
[22:47:12] * wjp starts download :-)
[22:48:42] <Avenger> what other option you need :)
[22:49:46] <Avenger> color depth? various blit hacks?
[22:50:01] <Avenger> well brightness/contrast maybe
[22:50:05] <xrogaan> More hair colors
[22:50:10] <xrogaan> and skin colors
[22:50:22] <xrogaan> i have a lady with bright red hair
[22:50:26] <xrogaan> and pale skin
[22:50:34] <xrogaan> No way to reproduce that :(
[22:52:10] <Avenger> hmm, it doesn't externalize colors?
[22:52:12] <Avenger> like iwd2?
[22:52:14] <Avenger> meh
[22:52:18] <xrogaan> HEYA, IT'S ME! IMOEN!
[22:53:04] <Avenger> you can edit your character's colors with dltcep :D
[22:53:33] <xrogaan> y'a, I'll do that. It's better not to have a grey skin :)
[22:54:04] <Avenger> i wonder if you will find your saved game :D
[22:56:00] <xrogaan> quick keys are not working
[22:56:06] <xrogaan> 1 2 3 4 etc
[22:56:10] <xrogaan> for dialogues
[22:58:48] <Avenger> really?
[22:58:50] <Avenger> O_o
[22:59:20] <xrogaan> yeah
[22:59:53] <Avenger> works for me!
[23:05:16] <Avenger> i gotta sleep, bye!
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[23:11:11] <wjp> 50% downloaded...
[23:20:42] <xrogaan> HEYA, It's ME! Imoen!
[23:43:47] * wjp bravely vanquishes a pack of rats