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[08:51:14] <viilee> Hi! I've just installed BG + TOSC to play with GemRB (0.7.2) in Linux (Gentoo) - but it's complaining about some missing files in the log, although I seem to be able to walk around and do stuff...
[08:51:58] <viilee> Just wondering if it's ok for it to complain about the files - I don't want to play halfway trough and then notice something breaks in a horrible way in the game forcing me to start over...
[08:52:21] <viilee> So, is it normal for it to comlain? I tried to search via google but conldn't find an answer...
[08:54:06] <viilee> It's complaining about not finding "projectl.ids" and "gender.2da" - these are not in the BG install dir at least (there's gender.2da in /usr/share/games/gemrb, but not for bg1, only for bg2, and no projectl.ids)
[08:54:38] <lynxlynxlynx> that's fine
[08:55:15] <viilee> Ok, thanks. There's a few other files it is complaining later on, too, I believe they are ok too?
[08:59:31] <viilee> Also, I was thinking about updating the wiki for a linux install (via unshield) + also the TOSC expansion, but I can't register (it was complaining about not being able to send email, and when I re-tried, the user name already exists - so I believe it created the user name but was unable to send the email for login details?)
[09:16:21] <lynxlynxlynx> which username?
[09:21:28] <viilee> Actually, I think I've reserved several now because I wansn't sure what was the problmem (a reserved username -> I tried others)... wild_penquin, wild_penguin, wilde
[09:21:39] <viilee> all with the same email address
[09:22:18] <viilee> If their really reserved (to my email address), I think we can delete all but one =)
[09:23:43] <lynxlynxlynx> which one would you like?
[09:28:58] <viilee> wild_penguin is fine
[09:36:35] <lynxlynxlynx> set the pwd to your mail
[09:39:08] <viilee> lynxlynxlynx: got it, ty!
[09:44:04] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg2 - [Post-install cleanup and reordering] http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg2&rev=1364549816&do=diff
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[10:15:39] <traveler__> mhm
[10:15:54] <traveler__> i've liked old behaviour more
[10:16:03] <traveler__> speaking of cfg files
[10:16:18] <traveler__> when first loaded cfg was one in present directory
[10:16:25] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg1 http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg1&rev=1364551852&do=diff
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[10:17:38] <traveler__> just pointing out in case this change was accidental
[10:17:49] <rocket_hamster> heya
[10:18:38] <traveler__> hi
[10:20:54] <viilee> hi
[10:28:52] <lynxlynxlynx> viilee: i doubt many people have convmv installed
[10:29:10] <viilee> Do I need to set a different cache dir for BG, BGII etc. or can I use the same one?
[10:29:44] <viilee> lynxlynxlynx: Oh. well, they should ;-)
[10:30:26] <viilee> I'll try to figure some other way to make them lower case. Also, I've noticed I need to make some files lower case in the TOB install, too - that are missing in the bgII install instructions...
[10:30:52] <viilee> Maybe one can do it with find?
[10:30:54] <lynxlynxlynx> the cache dir gets wiped on run, so it can be the same one
[10:32:00] <lynxlynxlynx> lowercasing can be done with a trivial shell loop
[10:32:09] <viilee> If one has wine, the most hassle free way to install is via it. The unshield one requires a lot of commands... and, who knows how many versions (slightly diffrerently organized on the CD / DVD) there are around the world...
[10:32:54] <viilee> Or, maybe there are just a few. I don't know ;-)
[10:33:27] <fuzzie> well, this is why 'existing installations' and 'wine' are first in the wiki list
[10:34:12] <rocket_hamster> there is utility to extract GOG bins
[10:34:21] <rocket_hamster> works quite well on linux
[10:34:25] <fuzzie> innoextract?
[10:34:29] <rocket_hamster> yes that
[10:35:08] <rocket_hamster> btw
[10:35:35] <viilee> fuzzie: True. But I'm a little bit purist ;-). (also, maybe there's the odd one or two users who do not have wine installed but want to play BG X or whatever)
[10:35:37] <rocket_hamster> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalarium/shroud-of-the-avatar-forsaken-virtues-0
[10:35:38] <traveler__> very rarely (but happens) you are healed by damage in iwd1 O_o not hurt...
[10:35:40] <Seniorita> Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues by Portalarium, Inc. — Kickstarter
[10:35:57] <rocket_hamster> from creator of ultima series
[10:36:09] <rocket_hamster> linux supported they say
[10:36:11] <fuzzie> viilee: well, wine can be a huge pain to install for some of our users
[10:36:29] <traveler__> exactly
[10:36:36] <traveler__> unshield is pretty easy
[10:37:23] <traveler__> if one does not have some huge merged install that is (like for some complete bg editions)
[10:43:11] <lynxlynxlynx> traveler__: any resistances over 100?
[11:03:23] <traveler__> but im speaking of normal slashing damage
[11:03:57] <traveler__> and no
[11:05:01] <traveler__> it _looks_ like sometimes hp is just restored to base (full) value
[11:05:29] <traveler__> last time i checked console
[11:05:38] <traveler__> and there was nothing explaining it
[11:05:48] <traveler__> just middle of getting slashing damage
[11:05:56] <lynxlynxlynx> if the resistance overflowed, this could happen
[11:06:18] <traveler__> con is 19 so autoheal should not kick in too
[11:06:25] <traveler__> ah
[11:06:46] <lynxlynxlynx> how rare is this?
[11:06:54] <traveler__> i saw it 3-4 times
[11:06:59] <traveler__> so far
[11:07:14] <traveler__> a moment ago with slashing
[11:07:41] <traveler__> and it happened with myconids few times, they are dealing bludgeoning damage
[11:08:26] <traveler__> about resistance, not sure if it's related but iwd items are stacking even if unwielded
[11:08:37] <traveler__> so there can be some wierd side effects (?)
[11:09:10] <traveler__> (i have few defender +1 weapons and if i reshuffle them i get all armour bonus even if i'm not wielding any of them)
[11:09:25] <traveler__> all that means stacked
[11:09:42] <lynxlynxlynx> Resisted %d of %d at %d%% resistance
[11:09:51] <lynxlynxlynx> check for this string in the log when it happens
[11:09:53] <traveler__> nope
[11:09:56] <traveler__> pretty sure
[11:10:21] <lynxlynxlynx> pretty sure is not good enough for a bug you don't hit often
[11:10:55] <traveler__> i understand
[11:11:19] <traveler__> i mean, i will look out for resistance
[11:11:39] <traveler__> but this time i was not around on irc, i was not playing too
[11:12:01] <traveler__> so maybe it's not that rare
[11:12:34] <traveler__> okk
[11:12:43] <lynxlynxlynx> http://sprunge.us/DEFb
[11:12:53] <traveler__> there is this string with hit
[11:13:02] <lynxlynxlynx> you can apply that and then put a breakpoint at that line in gdb
[11:13:02] <traveler__> [ModifyDamage/COMBAT]: Resisted 0 of 20 at 0% resistance to 256 [Actor/COMBAT]: 20 sieczne damage taken.
[11:13:10] <lynxlynxlynx> that's fine
[11:13:12] <traveler__> but it's not case when i was healed
[11:13:14] <traveler__> yes
[11:13:43] <lynxlynxlynx> with the above you don't need to worry about it - if it triggers, take a look
[11:14:14] <traveler__> thanks
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[11:47:37] <Seniorita> [wiki] todo - [Throne of Bhaal] http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=todo&rev=1364557235&do=diff
[12:03:44] <Seniorita> [wiki] todo http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=todo&rev=1364558217&do=diff
[12:18:07] <edheldil> quick, pour some more dollars to tide of nemenera to get Chris Avellone on the team :)
[12:18:14] <edheldil> numenera
[12:22:29] <lynxlynxlynx> is it ending already?
[12:29:50] <wjp> about a week left
[12:35:15] <lynxlynxlynx> the finishing surge is yet to come then
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[14:35:34] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg1 - [Installing Baldur's Gate 1 data with unshield] http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg1&rev=1364567336&do=diff
[14:35:35] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg2 - [Installing the data with unshield] http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg2&rev=1364567371&do=diff
[14:37:34] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg2 - [Installing the data with unshield] http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg2&rev=1364567436&do=diff
[14:38:09] <viilee> Hmm., does anyone know if it is possible to install the official patches without wine? (to BG TOSC or BGII, ToB)? I believe you need them if you're going to use any mods...
[14:43:12] <viilee> Answering to myself: 7z can extract them. And then you still need unshield...
[14:49:51] <fizzle> viilee: while you're working on those instructions you might want to note that lowercasing everything will not work with certain tools (like NearInfinity)
[14:50:47] <viilee> What's NearInfinity?
[14:51:14] <fizzle> an IE game file inspector/editor
[14:55:39] <viilee> I'd presume a linux user would not be using IE, and consequently, NearInfinity? But I will note it somewhere ;-)
[14:56:14] <wjp> IE = infinity engine
[14:56:22] <viilee> In a case sensitife FS, it gets quite difficult to handle thing in any other way... as the archives / patches / whatnot, have the file names in conflicting cases anyways, but should be overwritten...
[14:56:37] <viilee> Oh, I thought Internet Explorer :-o
[14:57:10] <fizzle> yeah, sorry, not that IE ;)
[14:58:26] <fizzle> and it's probably the one Linux users are most likely to use since everything else requires Windows (or Wine)
[14:59:11] <lynxlynxlynx> for bg2, i extraced the last patch and put it somewhere as a plain archive
[14:59:53] <lynxlynxlynx> no idea if i linked it on the wiki thought, it started as a forum thing iirc
[15:00:33] <fuzzie> well, we encourage people to use dltcep under wine, since dltcep is ours
[15:02:00] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg2 http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg2&rev=1364569004&do=diff
[15:03:08] <fizzle> actually, not lowercasing anything at all works just fine
[15:03:27] <fizzle> unless you copy stuff over from your Windows install maybe
[15:03:45] <fizzle> but if you install purely on Linux, just drop the -L and you'll be fine
[15:04:26] <viilee> Well, I just assumed it is needed since in the instructions there is the -L option...
[15:04:41] <viilee> I will put it in the wiki ;-)
[15:08:36] <fizzle> in case Avenger pops in here again, don't let him leave until he's clarified the effects-expiry-on-death situation
[15:08:43] <fizzle> I see I missed him once again...
[15:12:13] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg2 http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg2&rev=1364569518&do=diff
[15:14:13] <fuzzie> 18:38 <Avenger> the original game handled death in each effect itself
[15:14:26] <fuzzie> ^- this is basically summary of previous discussions
[15:15:25] <fizzle> what's the background of that comment in CheckOnDeath, then?
[15:15:36] <fuzzie> isn't it truly ancient?
[15:16:04] <fuzzie> but I'm just summarising previous discussions, not necessarily the truth
[15:16:16] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg1 http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg1&rev=1364569863&do=diff
[15:16:40] <fuzzie> yes, CheckOnDeath comment is .. 8.5 years old?
[15:16:44] <fizzle> 2004
[15:17:20] <fuzzie> i don't see the point of a 'permanent after death' timing mode if some don't get removed at death though
[15:17:34] <fizzle> right
[15:18:16] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg1 - Removed TODO section http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg1&rev=1364569901&do=diff
[15:18:29] <fizzle> and some forums posts suggest that effects do indeed get removed when timing is different
[15:19:09] <fuzzie> yeah, but it's totally unclear
[15:19:24] <fuzzie> do you have any examples?
[15:19:35] <fizzle> of forum posts?
[15:19:37] <fuzzie> i couldn't find any which actually concluded they got removed *on death*
[15:20:15] <fuzzie> (resurrection is a different story)
[15:20:57] <fizzle> I saw one where somebody fixed an original bug by modding an effect to use the permanent timing mode instead of whatever it was using before
[15:21:22] <fizzle> ice trolls losing their colour on death or something?
[15:22:02] <fuzzie> and there's a lot of posts which talk *only* about ctrl-r/ressurection
[15:22:34] <fuzzie> ah, well, the ice troll thing is indeed more interesting
[15:25:45] <fuzzie> but unfortunately not very helpful because of the weird stats stuff
[15:25:47] <fuzzie> grmbl
[15:25:53] <fuzzie> so yes, to bug avenger about
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[18:28:23] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg1 http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg1&rev=1364581294&do=diff
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[18:32:25] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg1 - Lower casing tweaks http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg1&rev=1364581532&do=diff
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[19:24:55] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg2 - revised version with (mostly trivial) clarifications http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg2&rev=1364584723&do=diff
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[20:37:31] <Seniorita> [wiki] install:unshield-bg1 - [Installing Tales of the Sword Coast (optional)] http://www.gemrb.org/wiki/doku.php?id=install:unshield-bg1&rev=1364588999&do=diff
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[21:09:17] <rocket_hamster> heya
[21:09:21] <rocket_hamster> what do u think http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/larianstudios/divinity-original-sin?ref=category
[21:09:23] <rocket_hamster> ?
[21:09:23] <Seniorita> Divinity: Original Sin by Larian Studios LLC — Kickstarter
[21:09:27] <rocket_hamster> turn based combat
[21:10:00] <rocket_hamster> interesting concept with those surfaces that can be used in combat
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[22:23:25] <lynxlynxlynx> weren't the divinity games hack'n'slashes?
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