#gemrb@irc.freenode.net logs for 31 May 2011 (GMT)

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[07:28:31] <edheldil> Hi all
[07:30:42] <Gekz> hu
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[07:56:22] <raevol> hello
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[09:34:21] <raevol> does GemRB use python?
[09:34:47] <raevol> guess i could look that up -_-
[09:37:28] <wjp> It does. Why do you ask?
[09:37:37] <raevol> learning it right now
[09:37:47] <raevol> maybe i'll be useful to this project finally :D
[09:45:22] <wjp> nice :-)
[09:54:29] <raevol> THE BEST HELLO WORLD GTK APP :D
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[10:52:56] <Gekz> raevol: is that what she said
[10:53:38] <raevol> YES
[10:53:48] <raevol> omg gtk is so freaking dense
[10:54:56] <raevol> ohthankgod just got to a section on tables
[10:58:58] <edheldil> raevol: 1) GemRB does not use GTK
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[10:59:26] <raevol> yea i know, i'm learning it for something else
[10:59:31] <raevol> but i am learning python at the same time
[10:59:43] <edheldil> 2) combination of Glade, GtkBuilder and PyGTK makes GTK much nicer to work with
[11:00:02] <raevol> plus eventually i could write you a gtk launcher and config-editor, so real people could use gemrb
[11:00:39] <raevol> ah i think quickly uses glade, i can't seem to figure out how to add things to things in it
[11:01:09] <edheldil> there's already some launcher, look it up on web.
[11:01:21] <edheldil> like where?
[11:01:24] <raevol> huh that must be new since i tried last :[
[11:01:55] <edheldil> au contraire, it's old and maybe abandoned
[11:02:02] <raevol> in glade? i just thrashed around in it for like 20 minutes and only succeeded in removing everything from the example app and couldn't add anything to it..
[11:02:19] <raevol> ah well abandoned is pretty useless isn't it :[
[11:02:34] <fuzzie> i think a gtk launcher isn't really very helpful
[11:02:54] <fuzzie> the existing one got refactored so that you can add multiple GUIs, but then abandoned before anyone did, i think
[11:02:57] <edheldil> click on a window icon, creates a window. click on vbox icon, click anywhere to the window, creates a vbox there
[11:03:17] <edheldil> click on a label icon, click into the vbox in the window, puts label there
[11:03:22] <raevol> yea i'll have to try glade again, looks like it will save me a million headaches
[11:05:29] <edheldil> the only problem I have with it is that I fell in love with some module allowing me to access windows as objects, with automatic signal binding, and now I am stuck with using it :)
[11:06:38] <raevol> haha
[11:06:49] <raevol> i need to learn what all these widgets are so i know which ones to use
[11:06:53] <raevol> i am trying to make a media player
[11:06:58] <raevol> with a winamp-like media library
[11:07:18] <edheldil> maybe a better project than launcher would be a graphic installer. There used to exist some for loki, but they are LONG abandoned, I think
[11:07:23] <raevol> so i need boxes that i can populate with tables of info from a database where the rows are clickable
[11:07:50] <edheldil> GtkTreeView :-P
[11:07:51] <raevol> well, let's wait until i can actually write code before i start taking on gemrb satellite projects
[11:08:31] <raevol> it wants me to enter a model :o
[11:08:45] <edheldil> media players are boooring.... I haven't seen any I would really like. All I used had some rather ugly deficiencies
[11:08:54] <raevol> ever used winamp?
[11:09:26] <edheldil> sure, you should have a model for the data to display in GtkTreeView
[11:09:40] <edheldil> no
[11:10:00] <edheldil> I have abandoned windows like 13 years ago
[11:10:09] <raevol> well winamp is like heaven
[11:10:20] <raevol> and nothing else that i have ever seen has ever come close
[11:10:33] <raevol> and it's a pretty simple model too...
[11:10:50] <edheldil> I know it only though xmms, alias x11amp
[11:11:14] <edheldil> s/though/through/
[11:11:15] <raevol> yea, xmms, is like winamp with all the good features taken out
[11:11:21] <raevol> namely, the media library
[11:11:46] <edheldil> well, it copies an old version of winamp, I believe
[11:11:56] <raevol> right
[11:12:01] <raevol> except the media library
[11:12:10] <raevol> i'm trying to find you a good screenshot of it
[11:12:24] <raevol> http://www.shrani.si/f/3k/x0/1YCcVk82/winamp.png
[11:12:27] <raevol> look at that
[11:12:36] <raevol> artist pane with album and track columns
[11:12:43] <raevol> album pane with year and track columns
[11:12:51] <raevol> track pane with customizable columns
[11:12:55] <raevol> i don't know what's so hard about that
[11:13:06] <raevol> but all the linux media players INSIST on screwing it up
[11:13:11] <edheldil> banshee and rhythmbox have similar media library, but then you can't use anything else :(
[11:13:22] <raevol> i use banshee
[11:13:29] <raevol> but they screw up the top two panes
[11:13:33] <raevol> and insist on using album art
[11:13:38] <raevol> it's so close to being right
[11:13:40] <raevol> and yet so far
[11:14:29] <edheldil> e.g. thanks to some stupid CD collection, my author list is full of names with 1 or two songs. I would much preferred them be automatically folded into VA
[11:15:43] <raevol> that sounds like a banshee feature
[11:15:55] <raevol> you have to specify a "compilation artist" for it to show as the same album
[11:15:58] <edheldil> it's not, at least not in my version
[11:16:08] <edheldil> hmm
[11:16:14] <raevol> i don't know what dev decided things HAD to be that way, but i want to shoot him
[11:16:37] <raevol> we might be talking about 2 different things
[11:16:38] <raevol> but yea
[11:16:48] <Gekz> it's called "Hi, I'm an iTunes clone."
[11:16:57] <edheldil> I will probabbly sooner delete the CDs, I was not so thrilled with them anyway :)
[11:16:59] <Gekz> songbird was alright
[11:17:01] <raevol> banshee is closer to winamp than itunes
[11:17:53] <Gekz> as a simpleton, I just use iTunes on my mac
[11:17:54] <Gekz> because there's no other choice lol
[11:18:03] <raevol> D:
[11:18:05] <edheldil> rhythmbox for some reason blocks several minutes on searches
[11:18:16] <Gekz> that's because it's crap
[11:19:12] <raevol> this project i've undertaken is kind of nuts
[11:19:16] <raevol> i have to learn python
[11:19:17] <raevol> and gtk
[11:19:18] <edheldil> at least it does not require connection to fruit store :-P
[11:19:20] <raevol> and sqlite
[11:19:23] <raevol> and gstreamer
[11:19:25] <raevol> gonna be fun
[11:19:43] <raevol> my last programming project required me to learn lua and love2d
[11:19:50] <raevol> but i abandoned that when i got a job
[11:19:59] <raevol> need to release the code so someone else can finish it
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[11:20:08] <edheldil> what's love2d? Some dating sim engine? ;-)
[11:20:12] <raevol> :P
[11:20:15] <raevol> it's like pygame for lua
[11:20:30] <raevol> (note: i've never used pygame)
[11:21:40] <edheldil> that's my problem, too, I have several projects in some stages of completeness, but none of them publicly advertised :)
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[11:22:20] <raevol> hehe
[11:22:24] <raevol> alright bedtime for me
[11:22:31] <raevol> talk to you guys later
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[17:20:29] <CIA-39> GemRB: 03avenger_teambg * r33c5de4e16c1 10gemrb/gemrb/GUIScripts/bg2/ (GUIMG.py GUIPR.py): improved the spellbook animations in bg2
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