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[20:42:28] <Lightkey> so, Torchlight II finally out for Linux, seems they were waiting for this announcement, where they also confirmed other ports for this year, including The Witcher III (no surprise there): http://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamos_sale
[20:42:29] <Seniorita> SteamOS Sale
[20:43:01] <wjp> ooh
[20:53:11] <wjp> ah, and you can register old Torchlight II windows keys in steam to get the linux version
[20:53:42] <Lightkey> of course, that works for all games on Steam
[20:53:51] <wjp> no
[20:53:56] <Lightkey> no?
[20:54:16] <wjp> oh, I meant an old non-steam key
[20:54:47] <wjp> I bought T2 directly from Runic back in 2013
[20:54:52] <Lightkey> non-steam key? what is this sorcery?
[20:56:19] <fuzzie> so now I have to install Steam to buy T2
[20:56:21] <fuzzie> awesome
[20:57:03] <wjp> or you can run it in Windows!
[20:57:38] * wjp has given up resisting Steam a long time ago now :-(
[20:59:50] <fuzzie> fairly sure that installing Windows would be infinitely more hassle
[21:00:03] <fuzzie> also no gpu
[21:00:15] <fuzzie> ah yes, I remember this
[21:00:22] <fuzzie> "free 1.5MB download"
[21:00:51] <wjp> yes, and then another download, and another one, and another one
[21:00:53] <fuzzie> and you install this in a VM which has no internet access, and oddly enough the steam client doesn't appear
[21:01:01] <wjp> and then probably another one
[21:01:14] <fuzzie> but T2 is difficult to resist
[21:01:16] <wjp> and _then_ you get to download the 1.5GB of Torchlight II
[21:01:20] <fuzzie> also maybe I should buy KSP while it's on sale
[21:01:28] <wjp> (yay for fiber)
[21:02:55] <fuzzie> Updating Steam...
[21:02:59] <fuzzie> 207mb right here
[21:03:04] <wjp> ... but T2 runs without any trouble, so that's good
[21:03:12] <fuzzie> so that took several seconds
[21:03:24] <Lightkey> oh the humanity
[21:03:26] <fuzzie> and it's taking longer to extract :-p
[21:03:45] <fuzzie> now it's 'unpacking steam runtime'
[21:03:51] <fuzzie> which of course it couldn't possibly have done while extracting
[21:03:56] <wjp> two more months and I'll get to upgrade my fiber to your speed :-)
[21:04:16] <fuzzie> aren't you already at my speed?
[21:05:08] <wjp> oh, hm, maybe I'm misremembering
[21:06:03] <fuzzie> I am on crummy 10-year-old deprecated legacy fibre infrastructure
[21:07:11] * wjp slaughters some Ratlins
[21:07:20] <fuzzie> ok, I opened Steam and all these games are there
[21:07:26] <wjp> magic
[21:07:50] <fuzzie> ah, apparently this account was made to connect humblebundles to.
[21:13:55] <fuzzie> Torchlight II - 7%, 102kB/s
[21:14:00] <fuzzie> :<
[21:14:37] <fuzzie> anyway, yes, now Valve have my payment details, I hope you're happy, wjo.
[21:14:39] <fuzzie> wjp.
[21:14:51] * wjp rejoices
[21:15:03] <fuzzie> I hope you get an achievement or something for this.
[21:15:14] <wjp> I did get a Berserker trading card just now
[21:15:30] <fuzzie> Lightkey: anything else good in the sale?
[21:16:07] <wjp> Civ 5?
[21:16:09] <fuzzie> someone elsewhere was advocating Transistor at me
[21:16:50] <wjp> hm, I have that, and played it for a few hours, but it didn't really grab my attention
[21:16:52] <fuzzie> is Civ 5 good if I've been spoiled by SMAC?
[21:17:07] <Lightkey> Pillars of Eternity? :->
[21:17:13] <fuzzie> Lightkey: sale :P
[21:17:38] <Lightkey> yes, it's in the sale, no clue why they added some without a reduced price
[21:18:06] * wjp hasn't played SMAC in a few decades
[21:18:25] <Lightkey> The Talos Principle of course
[21:19:32] <Lightkey> and hopefully you already have FTL
[21:20:10] <fuzzie> mmhm
[21:20:14] <fuzzie> what's a talos
[21:20:47] <Lightkey> Portal 3
[21:20:47] <fuzzie> interesting
[21:21:41] <wjp> hmm
[21:21:59] <Lightkey> of course it is, it has a kitten on the front
[21:27:03] <Lightkey> ah, Transistor looks nice as well, though personally I am more interested in turn-based tactics, so Space Hulk Ascension and XCOM: Enemy Unknown, they are golly good but I miss a less generic story
[21:53:34] <wjp> now if only T2 would actually save
[21:57:00] <fuzzie> oh-oh
[21:57:43] <wjp> or maybe load
[21:59:38] <fuzzie> it does start for me
[22:00:23] <fuzzie> impressive
[22:02:16] <wjp> but does it save? :-)
[22:03:22] <fuzzie> didn't start playing yet
[22:03:38] <fuzzie> the menu music is reminding me how much fun the first one was though :p
[22:03:49] <fuzzie> one of the few times I've actually made time to play a game in recent years
[22:04:58] <wjp> oh, case sensitive filesystem trouble
[22:04:59] <wjp> fun
[22:05:44] <wjp> rename("/data/steam/Steam/SteamApps/common/Torchlight II/my games/runic games/torchlight 2/save/<snip>/save.tmp", "/data/steam/steam/steamapps/common/torchlight ii/my games/runic games/torchlight 2/save/<snip>/test_<snip>.svb") = -1 ENOTDIR (Not a directory)
[22:06:15] <fuzzie> oh dear
[22:06:25] <wjp> guess I'll go hunt down a 'report bug' button
[22:06:28] <fuzzie> that suggests a disturbing lack of basic testing?
[22:06:51] <wjp> maybe I'm crazy for starting a single player local game without logging into a Runic account
[22:08:13] <wjp> https://support.runicgames.com/kb/articles/67-notes-regarding-case-sensitive-volumes-mac
[22:08:16] <Seniorita> Notes Regarding Case-Sensitive Volumes (Mac) - Knowledgebase / Torchlight II / Installation Issues - Runic Games - Support Center
[22:10:07] <fuzzie> seriously though .. a few seconds of testing?
[22:13:34] <fuzzie> wjp: so if I hit save or save&quit, I get a charname_<bla>.svb file in that dir
[22:13:57] <wjp> interesting
[22:13:59] <fuzzie> but it's ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps for me
[22:15:33] <wjp> hmmm
[22:15:48] <wjp> so that suggests a steam bug instead
[22:18:41] <wjp> lower case steamapps?
[22:19:18] <fuzzie> yes
[22:19:22] <fuzzie> this is a brand-new install
[22:19:38] <wjp> mine is from Dec 2012 it seems
[22:20:43] <wjp> oh, this is fascinating
[22:21:46] <Lightkey> may you live in fascinating times..
[22:21:48] <wjp> I still had an ancient launcher shell script called /data/steam/steam
[22:22:06] <wjp> and steam had installed itself in /data/steam/Steam
[22:22:26] <wjp> removing /data/steam/steam has made things magically work
[22:22:29] <fuzzie> :)
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[23:27:29] <jba_> Does GemRB make any attempt to fix known problems with original BG2 such as broken weapon proficenies or is it neccesary to install mods to fix these as you would with a classic Infinity Engine implementation?
[23:31:41] <lynxlynxlynx> what do you mean by broken proficiencies?
[23:37:51] <jba_> As I understand, BG2 didn't give you true grandmastery so mods like BG2FixPack were made. Sorry for being ambiguous
[23:41:13] <jba_> Oh, gemrb is just an engine, so I guess it would be the same
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[23:47:40] <lynxlynxlynx> yes, that's a data bug
[23:48:03] <lynxlynxlynx> we fixed or avoided engine bugs
[23:51:37] <jba_> Right, thank you for your answer.
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