#nuvie@irc.freenode.net logs for 10 Jan 2004 (GMT)

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[03:21:39] <Yuv422> hi SB-X
[03:25:16] <Yuv422> How does the new darkness code preform on your computer?
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[05:03:40] * Yuv422 wonders if sbx is having some metwork porblems
[05:03:44] <Yuv422> problems
[05:03:54] <Yuv422> network
[05:04:15] * Yuv422 is having some typing problems. ;)
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[05:17:15] <Yuv422> hi SuperDope
[05:17:28] <SuperDope> hi
[05:17:50] <Yuv422> a new face in the channel. :-)
[05:17:59] <Yuv422> how's things?
[05:18:19] <SuperDope> oh its alright
[05:18:38] <Yuv422> I'm just adding use:churn to nuvie
[05:18:47] <Yuv422> so we can make butter from milk
[05:18:52] <SuperDope> hah!
[05:18:56] <SuperDope> oh my god
[05:19:16] <Yuv422> ?
[05:19:24] <SuperDope> thats pretty cool
[05:19:53] <Yuv422> :)
[05:21:33] <Yuv422> what platform do you use nuvie on?
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[05:22:56] <SuperDope> i never heard about nuvie before just now
[05:23:03] <SuperDope> so i'm looking at the webpage
[05:23:09] <Yuv422> ah k cool
[05:23:44] <Yuv422> if you are using windows you can download a daily snapshot to test.
[05:27:02] <SuperDope> how many people work on nuvie ?
[05:28:14] <Yuv422> http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=76419
[05:31:54] <SuperDope> who are you ?
[05:33:22] <Yuv422> Eric
[05:33:32] <SuperDope> ohh you're the main guy
[05:33:33] <SuperDope> cool
[05:33:43] <Yuv422> :)
[05:38:13] <SuperDope> man my stupid ISP keeps freezing on me
[05:38:26] <Yuv422> that's no good
[05:38:50] <SuperDope> i can program too you know, whats the engine like ?
[05:39:42] <Yuv422> by engine do you mean nuvie? or the original u6?
[05:40:24] <SuperDope> both
[05:41:37] <Yuv422> do you have a cvs client intalled on your computer?
[05:41:52] <Yuv422> you can download the nuvie source that way and have a look for yourself. ;-)
[05:42:07] <SuperDope> oh hahaha no wonder why they wouldn't download
[05:42:13] <SuperDope> i never used cvs before
[05:42:18] <SuperDope> i was trying to get those files
[05:42:28] <Yuv422> we've also been documenting the original u6 engine
[05:42:35] <Yuv422> those docs are also in cvs
[05:43:05] <Yuv422> there are some instructions on the sourceforge page on how to download projects using cvs
[05:43:28] <Yuv422> assuming you're using the command line cvs client.
[05:43:51] <Yuv422> http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=76419
[05:44:10] <SuperDope> tripppy, have you asked origin if they still have their u6 source ?
[05:44:38] <Yuv422> no I haven't spoken to origin at all
[05:45:45] <SuperDope> origin is all hallow i bet
[05:45:49] <SuperDope> ea killed it
[05:45:59] <SuperDope> very sad, some of my favorite games are origin games
[05:46:51] <EsBee-Eks> hello people
[05:46:58] <SuperDope> hi
[05:47:02] <Yuv422> hey SB-X
[05:47:38] <EsBee-Eks> Yuv422: i'll get cvs and try now, it wouldnt download yesterday
[05:47:52] <Yuv422> ok.
[05:47:55] <Yuv422> :)
[05:48:25] <SuperDope> what CVS client do you use ?
[05:48:30] <EsBee-Eks> cvs
[05:48:39] <Yuv422> same
[05:48:45] <SuperDope> i'm getting Tortoise, its 4 megs, awfully huge if you ask me
[05:49:09] <Yuv422> SuperDope: are you running windows?
[05:49:15] <SuperDope> yeah
[05:49:19] <SuperDope> what are you on ?
[05:49:28] <Yuv422> Mac OS X
[05:49:55] <SuperDope> really ? are macs any good ? i always thought they were kinda.... You know
[05:50:05] <Yuv422> hehe
[05:50:18] <Yuv422> yeah they are good now they have OS X
[05:50:28] <Yuv422> I wouldn't have used OS 9
[05:50:53] <EsBee-Eks> i don't know anything about any mac os
[05:51:15] <Yuv422> EsBee-Eks: I think I've figured out some more egg info.
[05:51:41] <Yuv422> it looks like the original stored egg flags in obj->status
[05:51:58] <EsBee-Eks> obj is the egg obj?
[05:52:01] <Yuv422> which told it wether the egg had spawned or been visited before.
[05:52:06] <Yuv422> yes
[05:52:29] <EsBee-Eks> yeah i guess the egg wouldnt need OK TO TAKE or normal flags
[05:52:32] <EsBee-Eks> ah that makes sense
[05:52:51] <EsBee-Eks> did you tell jim ursetto?
[05:52:58] <Yuv422> not yet
[05:53:05] <Yuv422> I haven't added it to nuvie yet.
[05:53:10] <EsBee-Eks> what? conflicts updating CVS? >:|
[05:53:13] <EsBee-Eks> ok
[05:53:18] <Yuv422> I'll do that and see if you theory holds water. ;)
[05:53:31] <Yuv422> where are your conflicts?
[05:54:29] <EsBee-Eks> where i have changed things and forgot about it
[05:54:29] <Yuv422> do we update views after usecode?
[05:54:36] <EsBee-Eks> PortraitView Event MapWindow
[05:54:37] <Yuv422> hehe cool
[05:54:59] <SuperDope> whats usecode ?
[05:55:04] <EsBee-Eks> gui is displayed after event
[05:55:09] <EsBee-Eks> and the usecode is performed from event
[05:55:14] <Yuv422> can you resolve the conficts easily
[05:55:18] <EsBee-Eks> probably
[05:55:22] * EsBee-Eks does so.
[05:55:59] <EsBee-Eks> Yuv422: because i had added a handle_input to portrait view and connected it from event :)
[05:56:00] <Yuv422> SuperDope: usecode is our name for all the code that handles using objects
[05:56:46] <Yuv422> I added guard and wisp portraits
[05:57:25] <EsBee-Eks> is that what Actor * is for?
[05:57:36] <EsBee-Eks> replacing actor_num
[05:57:40] <Yuv422> yes
[05:58:05] <Yuv422> so we can tell if an actor is a guard or wisp by actor->obj_n
[05:58:27] <SuperDope> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:58:33] <SuperDope> just churning some butter huh
[05:58:53] <SuperDope> thats an awfully good name for it
[05:59:13] <EsBee-Eks> use:churn?
[05:59:29] <SuperDope> yeah
[06:00:00] <EsBee-Eks> i dont see it
[06:00:12] <EsBee-Eks> oh its not added
[06:00:13] <EsBee-Eks> heh
[06:00:50] <SuperDope> Yuv422 put it in a little bit ago.. he said
[06:01:02] <Yuv422> not yet
[06:01:07] <Yuv422> I'm still working on it
[06:01:34] <Yuv422> the view isn't refreshing when I add the butter to the inventory
[06:03:45] <SuperDope> would you say the nuvie engine is more passive or active ?
[06:04:32] <Yuv422> in terms of user input?
[06:05:28] <SuperDope> in terms of the enviroment
[06:06:01] <SuperDope> like if you're standing in a forest are there creatures spawning in the next screen roaming around looking for food ?
[06:06:13] <SuperDope> making babies..
[06:06:33] <SuperDope> if a tree falls and no one is around does it make a sound ?
[06:07:00] <SuperDope> just kidding about that last part
[06:07:16] <Yuv422> hmm nuvie is turn based like the original
[06:07:43] <Yuv422> the world updates if the player moves
[06:09:37] <SuperDope> i'm interested in enhancements
[06:09:42] <SuperDope> lots and lots of cool enhancements
[06:10:25] <SuperDope> we should connect and go adventuring, slay a dragon or two
[06:11:01] <Yuv422> hmm you do know that Nuvie is single player. ;)
[06:11:33] <SuperDope> yeah! thats what i'm saying
[06:11:36] <SuperDope> enhancements
[06:11:51] <Yuv422> ah k
[06:11:59] <Yuv422> have you seen U6O ?
[06:12:20] <Yuv422> http://www.geocities.com/galleondragon/
[06:12:48] <Yuv422> they are making an online game using the ultima6 system
[06:14:05] <SuperDope> holy cow 64K+ dial up connection or ADSL/broadband
[06:14:25] <SuperDope> i would have never thought it would want to much information
[06:14:30] <SuperDope> especially for a turn based system..
[06:14:52] <Yuv422> hah
[06:16:10] <SuperDope> i mean how much information could it really need... iolo moves left, dupre moves right..
[06:16:33] <Yuv422> true
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[06:20:59] <sbx> dammit
[06:21:30] <Yuv422> are your connection problems with your ISP or freenode?
[06:21:30] <SuperDope> so what endian do you like better ?
[06:21:40] <Yuv422> big of cource
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[06:21:45] <Yuv422> ;-)
[06:21:50] <SuperDope> good man
[06:21:52] <Yuv422> hi Kirben
[06:22:05] <Kirben> i
[06:22:07] <Kirben> Hi
[06:23:33] <Yuv422> could you make cheese in the original u6?
[06:24:31] <Kirben> I don't know.
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[06:25:51] <EsBee-Eks> guh
[06:26:14] <EsBee-Eks> i've been talking to myself :)
[06:26:17] <EsBee-Eks> exultbot says i didnt say anything since talking about the butter churn? >:|
[06:26:19] <EsBee-Eks> i get no indication of those problems in X-Chat until it times out and says Disconnected
[06:26:54] <Yuv422> :(
[06:27:05] <EsBee-Eks> <sbx> Yuv422: i guess freenode because i don't get problems with other connections
[06:27:14] <Yuv422> does it show up in the chat window?
[06:27:18] <Yuv422> what you say?
[06:27:25] <EsBee-Eks> too much
[06:27:38] <EsBee-Eks> talking a lot since then
[06:27:40] <Yuv422> you could try another freenode server
[06:30:00] <Yuv422> use:churn is almost done
[06:30:00] <EsBee-Eks> i will do that
[06:30:05] <EsBee-Eks> ooh
[06:30:17] <EsBee-Eks> the pictures im sending you demonstrate me pushing dupre into a swamp
[06:30:27] <Yuv422> cool
[06:30:28] <EsBee-Eks> just for fun
[06:30:34] <EsBee-Eks> (baad avatar)
[06:30:48] <Yuv422> un-virtuous avatar
[06:31:01] <SuperDope> haha
[06:31:03] <SuperDope> you're goofy
[06:32:02] <EsBee-Eks> that might describe some #exult devs
[06:32:26] <EsBee-Eks> not that it's a bad thing
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[06:34:01] <Yuv422> SB-X: nice swamp pushing pictures
[06:34:39] <Yuv422> anyone got any other usecode that they want to see in nuvie?
[06:34:53] <Yuv422> I'm in a usecode kinda mood at the moment. ;)
[06:35:35] <SB-X> kill LB with plaque
[06:37:24] <Yuv422> was that in the original u6.
[06:37:33] <Yuv422> me thinks that was a u7 thing. ;-)
[06:37:42] <SB-X> hmm i think you are right
[06:38:06] <SB-X> it was could still be useful
[06:38:15] <SB-X> but we dont have multiple levels to hang plaques on anyway
[06:38:27] <SuperDope> sooo... do you know the best spot where someone may hyptotheticly aquire a backup copy of the u6 game files ?
[06:38:35] <SB-X> Yuv422: where should round function? be
[06:38:44] <SB-X> function be?*
[06:38:57] <Yuv422> huh?
[06:38:59] <SB-X> i dont get it including math.h or cmath
[06:39:17] <Yuv422> ah yeah I had that problem on win32 the other day too
[06:39:20] <SB-X> the round function be included*
[06:39:45] <Yuv422> maybe round isn't the right system independant call
[06:39:58] <Yuv422> SuperDope: ebay
[06:40:19] <Yuv422> people are always selling u6 on ebay
[06:40:20] <SB-X> "man round" says conforming to c99
[06:40:31] <Yuv422> hmm that's pretty recent
[06:41:11] <Yuv422> my round man page says math.h
[06:41:32] <Yuv422> functions conform to ISO/IEC 9899:1999(E).
[06:41:32] <SB-X> same
[06:41:55] <Yuv422> are you getting a compile error or a link error?
[06:42:09] <Yuv422> maybe you need to include -lm
[06:42:50] <SB-X> compile
[06:42:53] <SuperDope> what compiler do you use ?
[06:42:55] <SB-X> havnt got to linking yet
[06:43:06] <SB-X> gcc 2.95.3
[06:44:02] <Yuv422> try changing cmath to math.h in Actor.cpp
[06:44:20] <SB-X> did
[06:44:27] <Yuv422> any success?
[06:44:30] <SB-X> actors/Actor.cpp: In method `float Actor::get_inventory_weight()':
[06:44:30] <SB-X> actors/Actor.cpp:700: implicit declaration of function `int round(...)'
[06:45:32] <Yuv422> hmm
[06:45:42] <Yuv422> try this then
[06:45:51] <Yuv422> return (int)round(weight);
[06:46:10] <Yuv422> sorry
[06:46:13] <Yuv422> make that
[06:46:20] <Yuv422> (float)round(weight);
[06:53:51] <SuperDope> do you let 'warnings' get by you ?
[06:54:31] <Yuv422> there are several warnings that need to be fixed
[06:54:44] <Yuv422> some unused variables
[06:54:59] <Yuv422> some signed / unsigned comparisons
[06:55:53] <SuperDope> i have a bunch of typecast may lose information warnings in my program
[06:56:17] <SuperDope> i don't care about them because i know i'm not losing th information because whateve i put in there is too small to lose
[06:56:52] <Yuv422> what does you program do?
[06:57:17] <SuperDope> it does transpareny for windows
[06:57:50] <Yuv422> ah k
[07:03:37] <SuperDope> 90$ for Ultima Collection on Amazon.com ?
[07:03:40] <SuperDope> man thats expensive
[07:03:46] <SuperDope> especially for a bunch of old games
[07:03:53] <SuperDope> most of them probably don't even work on today's machiens
[07:04:00] <Yuv422> I'm sure you could get it cheaper on ebay
[07:04:45] <SuperDope> i'd rather download em for free
[07:04:54] <SuperDope> Akalabeth is only like, not even a meg
[07:05:02] <SuperDope> cheap little game, have you played it ?
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[07:05:14] <Yuv422> nope
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[07:06:00] <SuperDope> have you played ascension ?
[07:06:23] <SuperDope> i bought it when it first game out
[07:06:31] <SuperDope> i was pretty dissappointed
[07:06:42] <SuperDope> i didn't even finish the game i got so bored with the linear plot
[07:06:54] <Yuv422> nope the last ultima game I played was U8
[07:07:32] <SuperDope> i liked pagan, i didn't finish that one either but it was way better than u9
[07:07:38] <SuperDope> i especially liked the mushrooms
[07:09:54] <SuperDope> wow this ultima vi i found on ebay comes with the orb of the moons!
[07:09:57] <SuperDope> hahaha
[07:11:16] <Yuv422> yeah
[07:11:33] <SuperDope> do you have an orb of the moons ?
[07:11:38] <Yuv422> I've bought a few copies of u6 from ebay
[07:11:43] <Yuv422> I've got two
[07:11:55] <SuperDope> do they look like the game item ?
[07:12:03] <Yuv422> one does
[07:12:10] <Yuv422> the other doesn't
[07:12:21] <Yuv422> it's long and thin
[07:12:48] <Yuv422> I've also got u6 for the super-famicom and for the FM-towns home computer. :-)
[07:13:10] <SuperDope> damn you got hella u6
[07:22:49] <SuperDope> someone laughed outsid emy window
[07:23:14] <SuperDope> someone stupid i hate sutpid people
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[07:27:47] <SuperDope> i have a gun too
[07:28:08] <SuperDope> a genuine lord brittish musket
[07:29:04] <Yuv422> can it be fired?
[07:29:43] <SuperDope> sure can, all it needs is some giant bones pellets
[07:31:07] <SuperDope> man
[07:31:17] <Yuv422> wadding and gun powder
[07:32:33] <SuperDope> you know what I want ? I want and old style ship
[07:32:39] <SuperDope> you know with a mast and sails
[07:32:58] <SuperDope> mades out of wood
[07:35:26] <SuperDope> and a sword
[07:35:34] <SuperDope> a cutlass!
[07:36:57] <SuperDope> and a hidden base
[07:37:15] <SuperDope> a hidden MOUNTAIN base
[07:37:18] <SuperDope> that can be sailed into
[07:37:37] <SuperDope> and a legion of loyal followers
[07:37:48] <SuperDope> that would slit their own throat on my command
[07:38:03] <SuperDope> and 256 concubines!
[07:40:20] <SuperDope> this of course would be my retreat
[07:41:46] <SuperDope> my real power would rest in my space fortress, high above the world
[07:42:10] <SuperDope> where i could teleport anywhere within 100,000 kilometers
[07:42:49] <SuperDope> also, i'd be able to rain down mega destructive laser attacks anywhere I choose
[07:43:11] <SuperDope> and everyone would know this
[07:43:23] <SuperDope> therefore no one would have the gall to look me in the eye or stand in my presence
[07:43:43] <SuperDope> yes, truly a golden world
[07:44:49] <SuperDope> could you program into nuvie my special world when its done ?
[07:44:56] <SuperDope> you can call it the SuperDope hack
[07:45:42] <Yuv422> hmm let me think about that one for a bit.....
[07:45:47] <Yuv422> no.
[07:46:17] <Yuv422> but you could always changed the ultima6 map and datasets
[07:46:33] <Yuv422> to do what ever you wanted
[07:47:38] <SuperDope> well I would but learning too much about the game's internal workings may damage my magical perception of the game
[07:48:25] <Yuv422> true
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[08:01:31] <Yuv422> ok the use:churn code is in cvs now
[08:22:28] <SuperDope> i'm still trying to figure out this tortoise
[08:22:40] <SuperDope> i dont' want to read a CVS book!
[08:22:53] <SuperDope> i just want to know what i need to paste in these edit boxes to download main.cpp
[08:25:17] <Yuv422> if you get the command line cvs
[08:25:24] <Yuv422> you only need to type two commands
[08:25:35] <Yuv422> which were on that page that I posted before
[08:25:49] <Yuv422> replacing modulename with nuvie
[08:27:29] <SuperDope> you mean this one ? "cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/nuvie login"
[08:27:46] <Yuv422> yes
[08:34:34] <SuperDope> man i must be retarded
[08:34:36] <SuperDope> i can't get this to work
[08:34:40] <SuperDope> stupid windows
[08:35:49] <SuperDope> what is the CVSROOT ? ":pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/nuvie" ?
[08:37:14] <SuperDope> oh wait! i see that tortoise has this cvs.exe
[08:37:22] <SuperDope> perhaps it works just like your cvs.exe ?
[08:39:53] <SuperDope> ah hahha
[08:39:56] <SuperDope> this is much better
[08:39:59] <SuperDope> i got it now
[08:41:35] <SuperDope> awfully small main.cpp you got there buddy
[08:47:57] <SuperDope> man i thoguht it wouldn't download, but apparently it was just my ISP
[08:48:02] <SuperDope> i don't even need to this cvs.exe
[08:57:59] <SuperDope> are you still here ?
[09:44:57] <Yuv422> I'm back now
[09:45:24] <Yuv422> did you get the source ok?
[10:13:20] <SuperDope> yeah
[10:13:26] <Yuv422> :)
[10:18:39] <Yuv422> which build environment are you using?
[10:19:20] <SuperDope> Visual Studio .NET
[10:19:25] <SuperDope> 7.01
[10:19:27] <Yuv422> ah k
[10:32:33] <SuperDope> i want a cooler one but i don't know of a good one
[10:32:49] <SuperDope> i like the old school style of things not this do it for you stuff
[10:33:02] <SuperDope> i do it WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN
[10:33:59] <Yuv422> you might try MinGW then
[10:41:15] <SuperDope> is GCC pretty cool ?
[10:45:59] <Yuv422> It's ok
[10:46:07] <Yuv422> It's not the fastest compiler around
[10:46:19] <Yuv422> but it is portable
[10:49:02] <SuperDope> what is the OS X command line act like ?
[10:49:09] <SuperDope> does it work like UNIX ?
[10:51:10] <SuperDope> oh man!
[10:51:22] <SuperDope> i just made myself some tea right, and yesterday i was so strangly sleepy
[10:51:27] <SuperDope> and it wasn't even my bed time yet
[10:51:37] <SuperDope> and i thought it was so weird that i was so sleepy and i ended up falling asleep
[10:51:45] <SuperDope> and now i just realized that I had drank the Sleepytime tea
[10:51:53] <SuperDope> i guess it really works well!
[10:51:57] <SuperDope> maybe you should get some
[10:52:06] <Yuv422> hmm
[10:52:19] <Yuv422> It's only 9:49PM where I live
[10:55:04] <SuperDope> hahaha
[10:55:09] <SuperDope> where do you live ?
[10:55:13] <Yuv422> Australia
[10:56:04] <SuperDope> g'day matey
[10:56:10] <SuperDope> arrrr ye scurvy cur!
[10:56:20] <SuperDope> just kidding
[10:56:30] <Yuv422> hehe we're not a bunch of pirates.
[10:56:42] <SuperDope> have you petted any kangaroos ?
[11:00:09] <Yuv422> yes
[11:00:37] <SuperDope> how is the austrialian government ?
[11:00:39] <Yuv422> I've eaten kangaroo meat too
[11:00:48] <SuperDope> pretty strict or what ?
[11:00:56] <SuperDope> really what does it taste like ?
[11:01:16] <Yuv422> It's quite tough
[11:01:25] <Yuv422> you don't cook it for long
[11:02:57] <SuperDope> i read somewhere that austrialians have no sense of nationhood and that they wouldn't mind if they became a state in the United States, is that true ?
[11:03:36] <Yuv422> unfortunatly our government wants to become an american state. :-(
[11:03:46] <Yuv422> I'm not sure that most australians do though
[11:04:21] <SuperDope> oh thats just terrible
[11:04:22] <Yuv422> our prime minister is always brown nosing up to bush.
[11:04:31] <SuperDope> i hate bush
[11:04:56] <Yuv422> they are in the process of making a free trade deal with the US
[11:05:05] <Yuv422> which we are going to get screwed in
[11:05:14] <SuperDope> do you guys get many immigrants to your country ?
[11:05:16] <SuperDope> that sucks
[11:05:43] <Yuv422> they are signing deals which strip away the laws that were protecting australian culture.
[11:06:02] <Yuv422> things like minimum australian content requirements on Radio/TV
[11:06:06] <Yuv422> that sort of thing
[11:06:09] <SuperDope> uhh
[11:06:12] <SuperDope> what the hell
[11:06:38] <SuperDope> what is the austrialian culture ?
[11:06:59] <Yuv422> hehe not sure if I can sum that up in a sentance. ;)
[11:07:26] <SuperDope> like do you guys have yoru own dances and music ?
[11:07:31] <Yuv422> america wants more american TV broadcast in australia
[11:07:39] <SuperDope> what no way
[11:07:48] <SuperDope> i think it should be what the people want to watch
[11:08:10] <SuperDope> i thought you guys were just decendants of british criminals
[11:08:12] <Yuv422> the problem is people probably want to watch american TV
[11:08:17] <Yuv422> true
[11:09:12] <SuperDope> what was your ancestor sentanced to austrial for ?
[11:10:49] <SuperDope> you don't know ?
[11:11:09] <SuperDope> how did your nation come about ?
[11:12:19] <Yuv422> I'm sure you can find that out by yourself. ;)
[11:13:18] <SuperDope> no no I want you to tell me
[11:13:23] <SuperDope> you're the inside man
[11:19:08] <SuperDope> oh I SEE@! the beginning of the austrailian nation is too GOOD to be repeated by the likes of YOU.
[11:19:32] <SuperDope> i'm jus kidding
[11:19:47] <SuperDope> i'm prolly really annoying huh
[11:20:06] <Yuv422> a bit yes
[11:28:02] <SuperDope> have you found any amusing u6 stuff that was never meant to be seen ?
[11:28:16] <Yuv422> not really
[11:28:26] <Yuv422> there are some things
[11:28:32] <Yuv422> written in the map for MD
[11:28:53] <Yuv422> but they were discovered before I started nuvie
[11:28:53] <SuperDope> MD ?
[11:29:00] <Yuv422> Martian Dreams
[11:35:43] <SuperDope> would you ever think about putting a 'donation' button on your webpage ?
[11:36:08] <Yuv422> I don't really have any need for donations
[11:36:30] <Yuv422> I wouldn't do it if I didn't like it
[11:38:21] <Yuv422> I guess we could put the sourceforge donation button on the webpage
[11:38:33] <Yuv422> as they provide all the hosting for free.
[11:39:42] <SuperDope> would be nice of you
[11:57:36] <Kirben> I wouldn't call the removal of minimum australian content requirements on TV bad, we already get too much local reality and info. shows (Gardening/Renovations/etc) and they often fill in their requirements with repeats of any old (And usually bad) Australian shows.
[11:59:13] <Yuv422> maybe they should require new content.
[11:59:40] <Yuv422> I'm sure they would bring in more US reality TV if they could.
[11:59:49] <Kirben> Quality over quantity any day.
[12:00:12] <Yuv422> the problem is people like reality renovation shows. :-(
[12:00:33] <Kirben> Yes I find I'm watching less and less TV lately.
[12:00:51] <Yuv422> I mainly watch ABC/SBS
[12:01:02] <Yuv422> and the ABC is mainly the BBC. ;)
[12:01:55] <Kirben> Only recent Australian series (Partly funded by Nine at least) I got into was Farscape and Nine treated that really bad timeslot wise and eventually stopped funding it.
[12:02:24] <Yuv422> yeah it didn't last very long IIRC
[12:02:59] <Kirben> ABC/SBS have some really good documentary shows, but ABC seems to repeat too much with the kids shows.
[12:03:09] <Yuv422> true
[12:07:31] <Kirben> I often wonder what real actuate ratings would be like, I don't like how a small amount of people with ratings boxes decide what the rest of us watch. Seems absurb when they say x amount of people watches a show, when that is based on maybe 10,000 ratings boxes in an area.
[12:08:05] <Yuv422> and they are quite selective as to who they give the boxes to.
[12:08:39] <Yuv422> I think they have a target demographic in mind when they are distributing the boxes.
[12:11:30] <Kirben> I didn't know they were so selective, do the TV networks have a say in who they go to ?
[12:11:50] <Yuv422> You'd hope not
[12:11:59] <Yuv422> but I'd say they probably do
[12:19:47] <SuperDope> whats your favorite processor ?
[12:20:01] <SuperDope> mine is AMD
[12:20:02] <Yuv422> hmm
[12:20:27] <Yuv422> I guess the porcessor I most want would be the PowerPC G5
[12:20:31] <Yuv422> processor
[12:22:54] <SuperDope> why do you like that one so much ?
[12:23:05] <SuperDope> thats like having an AB+ blood type in a O- world
[12:23:32] <Yuv422> maybe I like to be different
[12:25:39] <SuperDope> do you drive a little space vehicle and plug in your little apple pod into it to play your music ?
[12:26:15] <Yuv422> I don't have an ipod yet
[12:31:46] <SuperDope> whats your favorite book ?
[12:32:10] <SuperDope> Charles Petzold - Programming Windows ?
[12:37:52] <SuperDope> i'm just kidding you know that right
[12:37:58] <SuperDope> i'm stop kidding around with you ok
[12:49:38] <SuperDope> oh well
[12:49:42] <SuperDope> hope your project goes good
[12:49:45] <SuperDope> bye
[12:49:49] <Yuv422> cya
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[12:50:51] <Yuv422> I've just committed some MsgScroll changes into cvs
[12:51:19] <Kirben> Just updated the snapshot.
[12:51:28] <Yuv422> hehe
[12:52:04] <Yuv422> thanks Kirben
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[12:54:45] <Yuv422> hi wjp
[12:56:15] <wjp> hi
[12:57:02] <Yuv422> I was thinking doing a release soon
[12:57:09] <wjp> cool
[12:57:14] <Yuv422> would you be able to provide a linux binary?
[12:57:21] <wjp> well, that depends
[12:57:38] <Yuv422> ?
[12:58:30] <wjp> on what kind of package you'd like, specifically
[12:58:52] <Yuv422> hmm
[12:59:07] <Yuv422> how is it done with exult?
[12:59:18] <Yuv422> is SDL staticly linked?
[12:59:23] <wjp> no
[12:59:47] <Yuv422> is that the sort of thing you mean when you say package?
[13:00:01] <wjp> I usually build a package for the latest RH release I have access to
[13:00:13] <Yuv422> ah k
[13:00:20] <wjp> in this case that would be RH9
[13:00:43] <Yuv422> that could be a problem for older linux releases I guess
[13:00:46] <wjp> but that's the last 'real' redhat release ever
[13:00:57] <wjp> and newer ones :-)
[13:01:22] <Yuv422> is glibc still an issue
[13:01:37] <Yuv422> or does everyone use the same version now?
[13:01:43] <wjp> I don't know what exactly the main issues are between RH8-RH9-FC1
[13:02:36] <wjp> (since I don't use RH myself anymore)
[13:02:53] <Yuv422> what are you using now?
[13:02:58] <wjp> gentoo
[13:03:03] <Yuv422> ah k
[13:03:18] <Yuv422> well we don't need an rpm style package anyway
[13:03:22] <wjp> (which is a source-distribution, so a 'package' for it is basically a build script)
[13:03:29] <Yuv422> ah k
[13:03:52] <Yuv422> (./configure --prefix=/usr/local; make; make install)
[13:06:44] <Yuv422> I was thinking more along the lines of just a nuvie binary a config file etc in a tar.gz archive
[13:07:26] <Yuv422> I guess if people want binaries they probably want an installer package too
[13:08:04] <Yuv422> Is gentoo any good?
[13:08:26] <wjp> I think so, yes :-)
[13:12:48] <Yuv422> wjp: How's Pentagram going?
[13:28:04] <Yuv422> I'm off to bed
[13:28:05] <Yuv422> cya
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