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[07:34:34] <Malignant_Manor> Hi Eric
[07:37:08] <Malignant_Manor> Yuv422: I'm close to a commit. I fixed a few problems with map window display but roof display remains and is made worse by not because the map window is no longer drawing out of where it should (besides the roofs).
[07:37:45] <Yuv422> hi Malignant_Manor
[07:37:48] <Yuv422> ah k
[07:37:49] <Malignant_Manor> The latest patch is here. You should probably read the changelog and map window diff. http://pastebin.com/u34ujDZB
[07:38:54] <Malignant_Manor> I still have doc work and I should probably put the show_orig_plus_cb cfg key in the (video?) menu.
[07:39:29] <Malignant_Manor> I need to get some sleep soon.
[07:43:21] <Yuv422> I'll have a look at the diffs in a bit
[07:44:37] <Malignant_Manor> I said I should try to get the realease ready soon and then I do this.
[07:44:58] <Yuv422> hehe
[07:45:22] <Yuv422> I'll just add one more feature, then we'll release ;-)
[07:45:59] <Malignant_Manor> Well, it did get me to look at some bugs that have been know but never really was inclined to try and fix.
[07:46:32] <Malignant_Manor> There's still more bugs I want to fix before release too.
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[19:50:10] <Malignant_Manor> Hi Eric
[19:50:38] <Malignant_Manor> Yuv422: I have map offsets fixed for new style
[19:50:48] <Yuv422> hi Malignant_Manor
[19:50:50] <Yuv422> cool
[19:51:11] <Malignant_Manor> I need to look at what to do for do for the other two modes.
[19:51:42] <Malignant_Manor> cutoff_map might not need adjusted but full_map has the character centering change
[19:52:23] <Malignant_Manor> Yuv422: Do you have a fix for roof rendering not clipping to the sdl_rect of map window?
[19:52:39] <Yuv422> I haven't looks into it yet
[19:52:58] <Yuv422> looks/looked
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[21:49:48] <Malignant_Manor> Dominus: I wish you were in charge of documentation.
[21:51:09] <Malignant_Manor> The new game style code should be committed today.
[22:05:34] <Dominus> :)
[22:06:09] <Dominus> believe me, Malignant_Manor, you don't want me in charge - I'd have no time to do anything properly atm :)
[22:06:09] <Malignant_Manor> I am having a hard time getting myself to do it and an procrastinating but slowly getting it done.
[22:07:33] <Malignant_Manor> I was worried for awhile about whether I would get the new modes to work properly (especially after announcing them).
[22:07:57] <HiPhish> I'm loving the new non-claustrophobic mode :D
[22:08:21] <Dominus> hi haifisch
[22:08:22] <Malignant_Manor> new style (old fullscreen_map) ?
[22:09:00] <HiPhish> Yes, the old fullscreen map. Ultima VII style, with the fixed moongates.
[22:10:55] <Malignant_Manor> I like mixing and matching which is part of why some new style things are included and why the new modes are so great.
[22:12:35] <Dominus> Malignant_Manor: I'm looking forward to try them out. At first my thought was along the line of "why bother" but they mighgt actually work out well :)
[22:13:05] <HiPhish> I see the frequency of commit has increased a lot, are you planning a version 0.5 release?
[22:13:16] <Malignant_Manor> Well, the new style (fullscreen_map) kind of sucks atm.
[22:13:44] <Malignant_Manor> Yeah, we need to release sometime soon and should have awhile back.
[22:14:17] <Malignant_Manor> Adding the new modes is one of the worst things for not introducing new bugs but it did help to fix several things.
[22:14:22] <Dominus> the usual problem
[22:16:51] <HiPhish> At least you will have a really impressive new feature to show off ;) and new dolls and sprites
[22:19:14] <Malignant_Manor> I also need to take new screenshots that aren't doctored.
[22:19:54] <HiPhish> Being able to play Ultima VI i a modern engine is very impressive from a technical standpoint, but from a user perspective the question is "why would I bother?", especially if the DOS version can run on your toaster with DOSBox. Offering features beyond what is possible in the base game will get users interested and might attract new developers.
[22:20:52] <HiPhish> Nuvie shines in not only playing Ultima Vi, but playing Ultima VI in a better, more player-friendly way.
[22:23:55] <Malignant_Manor> I've mentioned before that things like Exult might not have happened if DOSBox and computers powerful enough to run it well were at their current state.
[22:25:01] <Dominus> so true...
[22:25:12] * Dominus would have loved UWAdv...
[22:31:05] <HiPhish> When I bought Ultima Underworld as was scared shitless that the interface and controls would be horrible. Mostly because i had tried playing The Elder Scrolls: Arena before, and UUW is even older, from when WAS and mouse look hadn't been invented yet. Surprisingly enough, it was all thought out perfectly. Ultima Vi and VII were in much greater need for a modern engine.
[22:34:12] <Dominus> nice move to make all the mask all the mails in the UDIC roster (yes, I've been glancing at it just now)
[22:34:25] <Dominus> which has nothing to do here, I guess :)
[22:39:19] <HiPhish> Malignant_Manor: while playing in Ultima VII style mode (I'm jus going to call it that now) I noticed two usability problems.
[22:40:47] <HiPhish> First, the text scroll can get hug, covering up the whole scren. Would it be possible to specify a limit how many prompts to display at once? The scroll stops when it reaches the bottom of the screen,so there is some limit, but I'd like to set it even lower. Like half the height of the screen.
[22:41:24] <Malignant_Manor> You can change the scroll width and height in the cfg.
[22:42:21] <HiPhish> Second, I can't see the health status of my party. Exult has the option to display small heads in the corner with HM and MP bars. Would this be possible here? And there is no way to tell who is poisioned. In original mode the HP number weill b green, but nothing in the new U7 style mode.
[22:42:47] <HiPhish> Oh, thanks, I must have missed that about the CFG file, I'll look it up now. Sorry.
[22:42:48] <Malignant_Manor> I tried to get Eric to do that awhile back.
[22:43:41] <Malignant_Manor> I can't remember for sure if it is in the online documentation or just in the repository. I think it is in the online one.
[22:44:05] <Malignant_Manor> He talked about doing it.
[22:44:44] <HiPhish> cool
[22:44:45] <Malignant_Manor> I can't remember if missing art assets for it got in the way. I think he even had pictures of it.
[22:45:07] <Malignant_Manor> Someone will have to ask him about it when he comes in here.
[22:45:36] <HiPhish> There is no mention of any "scroll" in the online documentation, there is screen_height, but that's not it, is it?
[22:48:17] <Malignant_Manor> View this in a web browser. https://sourceforge.net/p/nuvie/code/HEAD/tree/web/trunk/templates/en/docs.template?format=raw
[22:49:20] <Malignant_Manor> I wish there was a separate release and svn page for documentation.
[22:49:54] <HiPhish> Thanks, I got it now.
[22:51:11] <HiPhish> It would help if the documentation said what the numbers are measured in. I assum the height is the amount of lines that's displayed?
[22:51:51] <Malignant_Manor> It is characters
[22:52:06] <Malignant_Manor> Eric said he was going to change it to pixels
[22:52:17] <Malignant_Manor> but it hasn't been done yet.
[22:53:48] <HiPhish> Why? Everyone understands characters, but I have no idea how many pixels a character is wide or tall, unless I fire up Nuvie first and start counting pixels. Characters seems simple and straight-forward enough to me.
[22:54:54] <Malignant_Manor> You would get more precise control.
[22:56:11] <HiPhish> OK, that's a valid point. Then you should at least mention in the documentation how many pixels a character is.
[22:56:30] <Malignant_Manor> I have no idea atm
[22:56:37] <Dominus> it should be a in game menu option with sensible defaults
[22:56:57] <HiPhish> I doesnt matter at the moment anyway, just keep it in mind for when changing to pixels, ok :)
[22:57:05] <Dominus> NO ONE should ever have to edit xml stuff by hand...
[22:57:31] <Malignant_Manor> I am editing it by hand.
[22:58:02] <Dominus> :)
[22:58:17] <Dominus> you can but you shouldn't have to :)
[22:58:36] <Malignant_Manor> Well, the template isn't hard to edit.
[22:59:01] <Dominus> no, it isn't and I'm not complaining for myself
[22:59:25] <Dominus> years of Exult's cfg and documentation writing made me xml-numb :)
[22:59:57] <Malignant_Manor> A WYSIWYG editor would be nice though.
[23:05:32] <Malignant_Manor> Dominus: I never did get you to setup the conversions to have documentation included in Nuvie downloads.
[23:05:53] <Dominus> yes, you never managed to make me do that
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[23:10:47] <HiPhish1> I was thinking about how to get more exposure for Nuvie, and there is a simple way, but I don't know if you will like it… In his video Spoony said how great Ultima VI is, but that the clunky controls always make him ragequite. He even says that's part of the reason why he never played the World of Ultima games. You can probably see where I'm going with this: what if we asked Spoony if he was willing to make a shor
[23:11:21] <HiPhish1> Here is a video of their latest release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ea8NPedKsk
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[23:12:31] <Dominus> HiPhish1: there is a character limit on irc - see the logs where you've been cut off
[23:12:46] <Dominus> Adium is not handling that stuff very well
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[23:13:16] <HiPhish> oops
[23:13:28] <HiPhish> You can probably see where I'm going with this: what if we asked Spoony if he was willing to make a short video (five to ten minutes) to promote Nuvie and all the great things it has done to improve on Ultima VI?
[23:13:38] <HiPhish> I mean screenshots are nice and all, but when someone shows off the engine actually running it is much better for conveying information. OpenMW do this for every release, they have a commentary video detailing all the cool new fatures.
[23:32:32] <HiPhish> OK, I'm off to sleep, goodnight.
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[23:48:17] <Malignant_Manor> Dominus: 29 file commit incoming.