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[11:09:30] <Dominus> arrgh, nuvie needs automake love as well :(
[11:09:43] <Yuv422> Hey Dom
[11:09:51] <Dominus> hey eric
[11:10:34] <Yuv422> have you upgraded to a newer version of autotools?
[11:10:43] <Dominus> automake 1.13 broke several things the automake devs consider obsolete... with the help from wjp I fixed exult last night. gonna take a look at nuvie next
[11:10:55] <Yuv422> ah k
[11:10:58] <Yuv422> cool
[11:11:17] <Yuv422> I'm currently working on keyboard support for full map mode
[11:11:45] <Yuv422> specifically being able to 'G'et objects out of containers
[11:11:50] * Dominus is still in love with full map mode
[11:12:12] <Dominus> but unfortunately I can't seem to find more time to really get into playing these days :(
[11:12:46] <Yuv422> hehe yeah
[11:13:37] <Yuv422> I'm soon to become very time poor
[11:18:06] <Dominus> oh nooooo
[11:18:19] <Yuv422> hehe
[11:18:24] <Dominus> (or is it one of those joyous reasons like a baby?)
[11:18:37] <Yuv422> yeah having a baby
[11:18:40] <Yuv422> :-)
[11:18:52] <Dominus> oh great then :)
[11:18:59] <Dominus> congratulations!
[11:19:05] <Yuv422> ty
[11:19:11] <Dominus> when is it due approximately?
[11:19:20] <Yuv422> 14th of feb
[11:19:31] <Yuv422> a boy
[11:19:37] <Dominus> that IS soon :)
[11:19:43] <Yuv422> yeah
[11:20:07] <Yuv422> my partner has finished up work, let the nesting begin. ;-)
[11:20:45] <Yuv422> we've got most stuff now
[11:20:50] <Yuv422> still a few things to get
[11:21:12] <Dominus> and in the first week you will rush out and get whatever you didn't think of :)
[11:21:19] <Yuv422> hehe yeah
[11:21:39] <Yuv422> I'm planning to take some time off work too
[11:22:05] <Dominus> that is really great
[11:22:20] <Yuv422> and a bit scary
[11:22:24] <Dominus> I'm mostly a stay at home dad and am enjoying it very much to be there
[11:22:34] <Yuv422> :)
[11:22:43] <Yuv422> I'm taking 3 weeks off
[11:22:52] <Dominus> and yes it is scary too, since the work doesn't seem to be halfed but doubled :)
[11:23:17] <Yuv422> yeah I'm not expecting it to be any sort of holiday ;-)
[11:25:00] <Dominus> curiously I had more free time to work some stuff out in the time between the baby naps
[11:25:16] <Dominus> but then I mostly felt tired back then
[11:25:55] <Dominus> oh and since you will have a boy: begin back training ASAP
[11:26:09] <Yuv422> :)
[11:26:50] <Dominus> boys tend to be growing much quicker than girls so he will be big and heavy while still being to little to really walk much...
[11:27:19] <Yuv422> we've got 4 flights of stairs up to our place too. :(
[11:27:48] <Dominus> now with my boy getting two in march, he weighs about 14kg and you still have to carry him a lot, especially when he'S tired of course or ill...
[11:28:20] <Yuv422> so you get a bit of a work out then
[11:28:22] <Dominus> so, I'm serious about the back training, that boy is breaking mine :)
[11:29:00] <Yuv422> 14kg is a lot of carry on a daily basis
[11:30:07] <Dominus> and as a men you don't have the hip that helps women carrying the little one
[11:30:38] <Yuv422> that's true
[11:30:44] <Yuv422> didn't think of it like that
[11:31:01] <Dominus> you begin to realize that very soon :)
[11:31:27] <Dominus> men begin getting a belly but that helps only a little and just worsens the back :)
[11:31:36] <Yuv422> hehe
[11:32:06] <Dominus> one other serious hint: in the beginning, when you hold him: RELAX THE SHOULDERS!
[11:32:46] <Yuv422> why's that?
[11:32:57] <Dominus> automatically one cramps the shoulders up to hold him higher. you don't need to and it just gives you pain in the shoulder with time
[11:33:50] <Dominus> the nurse in the hospital reminded me a couple of times and pulled my shoulders/arms down, so I'm not that cramped up
[11:34:08] <Dominus> and then I started to remind myself and my girlfriend
[11:34:15] <Yuv422> all these things to learn
[11:35:10] <Dominus> and once you know this shoulder thing it's fun to watch friends and family cramp up trying to hold the little one and more quickly tire of holding him
[11:35:42] <Dominus> and yes, it's a lot to learn but most things come naturally
[11:35:52] <Yuv422> :)
[11:36:00] <Dominus> so I'm just telling you the two most important things:
[11:36:12] <Dominus> the back training which no one does and wishes he had :)
[11:36:24] <Dominus> amd the shoulder things which is easy to do :)
[11:36:34] <Yuv422> they sound like good tips
[11:36:44] <Yuv422> I'll get on to the back training now
[11:36:52] <Dominus> he he
[11:37:02] <Yuv422> people were also saying that you need a lot of patience
[11:37:53] <Dominus> yes, you need that
[11:38:03] <Dominus> with the boy and especially with your partner.
[11:38:48] <Dominus> everything is new and you are dead tired so it is easy to get riled up about little stupid things
[11:38:59] <Yuv422> yeah I can imagine
[11:39:55] <Yuv422> I'm off to bed now
[11:40:00] <Dominus> oh and one other thing :)
[11:40:04] <Yuv422> right
[11:40:41] <Dominus> just a quick one_: don't listen to everybody. they have horror stories that mostly distract or know things much better than you or anyone else does :)
[11:40:51] <Dominus> opinions are like assholes, everyone has one :)
[11:41:19] <Dominus> me included :)
[11:41:26] <Dominus> have a good night
[11:42:07] <Yuv422> I think most things that I've been told make sense
[11:42:32] <Yuv422> no one has really said, "you must do this" or "you must do that"
[11:42:56] <Dominus> then people have given you good advice
[11:43:01] <Yuv422> :)
[11:43:09] <Yuv422> ok I'm off now
[11:43:10] <Yuv422> cya
[11:43:18] <Dominus> good night
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[14:54:15] <Dominus> hmm, I thought I had correctly made /xcodebuild/english.lproj/infoplist.strings a text file instead of a binary one. But on my local copy it is still treated as a binary...
[14:58:21] <wjp> what do you mean by 'treated as a binary'?
[14:59:03] <Dominus> diffs won'T show as svn thinks it's a bianry
[14:59:12] <Dominus> beh, typing is bad :)
[14:59:23] <Dominus> seems I made it wrong back then
[14:59:40] <Dominus> http://nuvie.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/nuvie/nuvie/trunk/XCodeBuild/English.lproj/
[14:59:59] <Dominus> you can't view the file in the browser, apparently because it's still abinary
[15:04:06] <wjp> probably because it's utf-16
[15:06:00] <Dominus> how do I change that now? SVN is driving me nuts at times
[15:08:50] <wjp> dunno, never really used utf-16 with svn
[15:09:15] <wjp> but googling for utf-16 subversion seems to produce relevant hits
[15:10:35] <wjp> http://rhubbarb.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/svn-unicode/ for example
[15:10:59] <wjp> this specific file is UTF-16BE, by the way
[15:16:56] <Dominus> I give up
[15:17:50] <wjp> BE :-)
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[20:54:42] <Malignant_Manor> OopsI just checked my email and got one that's 6 days old from Jimmy Acevedo ,Assistant Producer for Ultima Forever.
[20:55:20] <Malignant_Manor> There's one 2 days earlier from Eric.
[20:59:18] <Yuv422> Hey Malignant_Manor
[20:59:30] <Yuv422> I was wondering if you got my email. :)
[21:00:19] <Malignant_Manor> I have more than 30 Sourceforge tracker emails.
[21:04:12] <Yuv422> hehe
[21:04:36] <Malignant_Manor> It's gotten really bad sometimes with Sourceforge.
[21:05:20] <Malignant_Manor> That's mainly when I am actively posting/fixing a lot of bugs.
[21:14:31] <Yuv422> yeah it can get a bit spammy
[21:23:18] <Dominus> use a mail program that sorts things :)
[21:24:13] <Malignant_Manor> It only takes seconds to delete if I know I don't need to read them.
[21:25:06] <Malignant_Manor> I just haven't check my email for well over a week.
[21:28:11] <Yuv422> I'm off now
[21:28:12] <Yuv422> cya
[21:28:17] <Malignant_Manor> bye
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