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[01:59:07] <Malignant_Manor> Hi Eric
[01:59:20] <Yuv422> Hey Malignant_Manor
[01:59:31] <Malignant_Manor> Have you read the logs?
[01:59:34] <Yuv422> I see you've been busy. :)
[01:59:53] <Malignant_Manor> Yeah, I'm trying to fix some usability issues and bugs
[01:59:53] <Yuv422> about the dolls
[02:01:14] <Yuv422> that was one of the reasons I wasn't keen on supporting the new doll imagery in the original mode
[02:01:43] <Malignant_Manor> I don't know the best way to do them. The overlay would be the best for image size but worse on performance but I don't know how much worse.
[02:02:53] <Malignant_Manor> Well, the doll images are a lot smaller than containers or new gumps.
[02:03:04] <Malignant_Manor> File size isn't an issue.
[02:06:57] <Malignant_Manor> Performance wouldn't be much worse with an overlay and is pretty negligible on any somewhat recent device that is mobile or more than decade old desktop.
[02:07:31] <Yuv422> true
[03:21:48] <Malignant_Manor> Yuv422: Have you figured out which one you want?
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[04:05:13] <Yuv422> I'd probably go for coding simplicity over size.
[04:05:43] <Malignant_Manor> So separate images for each and no overlay
[04:06:01] <Yuv422> yeah
[04:06:57] <Yuv422> what do you think?
[04:07:32] <Malignant_Manor> It doesn't really matter. It would probably be easiest for artists to have overlays.
[04:07:51] <Malignant_Manor> The code is simple but slower.
[04:07:52] <Yuv422> I'm happy with overlays
[04:08:11] <Malignant_Manor> It will have a slightly smaller size to installations.
[04:08:22] <Malignant_Manor> I guess whatever HiPhish wants.
[04:08:25] <Yuv422> you can burn the overlay into the background on the gump
[04:08:39] <Yuv422> so it would have no impact
[04:08:53] <Malignant_Manor> How when it will be drawn over the doll?
[04:09:00] <Yuv422> actually you're right
[04:09:06] <Yuv422> it needs to be over the top
[04:09:24] <Malignant_Manor> Unless there is a transparent part on the image
[04:09:34] <Malignant_Manor> and the overlays are the same size
[04:09:48] <Malignant_Manor> of course, sherry would be different
[04:10:05] <Yuv422> do we really want new dolls in original mode?
[04:10:10] <Malignant_Manor> or not if it could be altered in code.
[04:10:19] <Malignant_Manor> I think they should be in the original
[04:12:03] <Malignant_Manor> I'm going to try and get DollViewGump to unready and select buttons with the keyboard.
[04:12:21] <Yuv422> cool
[04:12:49] <Malignant_Manor> Then, I think new style could do everything with a keyboard but not well.
[04:14:22] <Malignant_Manor> About the dolls, I try to get as many reasonable things back ported to the original.
[04:14:46] <Yuv422> righto
[04:15:39] <Malignant_Manor> Have you begun coding the custom sprite tiles?
[04:16:18] <Yuv422> not yet
[04:16:28] <Yuv422> I'm going to start soon though
[04:16:52] <Malignant_Manor> Once we get done with changes, then comes the testing.
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[23:16:47] <Malignant_Manor> Hi Eric
[23:17:11] <Yuv422> Hey Malignant_Manor
[23:17:15] <Malignant_Manor> My directional code for the gump wasn't very nice but it works.
[23:17:33] <Yuv422> ah k
[23:17:40] <Yuv422> I haven't look at it yet
[23:19:39] <Malignant_Manor> Hmm, now that I think about it. I could do some of the cursor position overrides as variables and only change it when the actor is set.
[23:24:25] <Malignant_Manor> Oh, wait nvm. It needs the direction to be useful.
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[23:31:15] <Malignant_Manor> HiPhish: You can do the dolls however you like. I think I will just use separate dolls for each and not use the overlay.
[23:35:08] <HiPhish> Whatever you prefer, but would it really be that much more coding work to use an overlay? I am still learning SDL, but as far as I understand the image is stored as a surface and one can blit surfaces on top of other surfaces. Blitting the lines on top of the image should be just two extra steps (load the lines as a surface, blit that surface onto the doll surfaces) , wouldn't it?
[23:40:44] <Malignant_Manor> The overlay is bigger than the image in non-new styles.
[23:42:06] <Malignant_Manor> New style has part of the overlay on the background.
[23:52:05] <HiPhish> How about making the new line overlay larger than the image and then having no overlay on the gump? And keeping the original style overlay the appropriate lower size. You already seem to be doing something with lines, because the lines of the new dolls are shorter than the lines of the old dolls
[23:58:55] <Malignant_Manor> They are the same size. I said earlier that the rest of it was on the background.
[23:59:36] <Malignant_Manor> They - lines