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[00:59:44] <armav> hi
[00:59:56] <Yuv422> hi armav
[00:59:59] <Yuv422> how's things?
[01:00:27] <armav> when's the new forum gonna be online? :)
[01:00:41] <Yuv422> do you know anything about html?
[01:00:57] <Yuv422> I'm still trying to fix this table issue with netscape/mozilla.
[01:01:29] <armav> i'm an html noob
[01:01:39] <armav> i can make a simple website, but that about it
[01:01:42] <Yuv422> ah k
[01:01:56] <Yuv422> what browser do you use?
[01:02:07] <armav> mozilla 1.4
[01:02:25] <Yuv422> can you try this page for me
[01:02:30] <armav> yes!
[01:02:30] <Yuv422> http://nuvie.sourceforge.net/phorum/list.php?f=1
[01:02:52] <armav> it displays perfectly
[01:03:13] <armav> actually, i'm using mozilla 1.5b (just checked)
[01:03:28] <Yuv422> try clicking on go to top link
[01:04:01] <armav> it jumps to the top of the page
[01:04:14] <Yuv422> the tables display correctly?
[01:04:25] <Yuv422> on mine they are all messed up
[01:04:31] <Yuv422> untill you hit reload
[01:04:36] <Yuv422> then they display fine.
[01:04:49] <armav> everything is fine here
[01:04:54] <armav> can i post a test message?
[01:05:02] <Yuv422> sure
[01:05:13] <Yuv422> try creating an account too.
[01:05:23] <armav> cool, there's a preview function
[01:05:30] <armav> the exult forum doesn't have one :(
[01:05:40] <Yuv422> wjp must have taken it off.
[01:05:48] <Yuv422> or they added it in 3.4.4
[01:06:06] <armav> are you using a free version of the forum software?
[01:06:42] <Yuv422> yes
[01:07:05] <armav> can there be spaces in the user name?
[01:07:08] <Yuv422> you can get to their website by clicking the phorum link at the bottom of the page.
[01:07:14] <Yuv422> probably not
[01:07:25] <armav> i'll try it anyway :)
[01:07:28] <Yuv422> one way to find out
[01:07:31] <Yuv422> ;)
[01:08:12] <Yuv422> wjp: found that phorum's variables clash with the sourceforge website
[01:08:27] <Yuv422> so if you login to SF then try the phorum it wouldn't work
[01:08:34] <Yuv422> we've fixed that now.
[01:09:18] <armav> i should be getting an email that asks me to activate the account, right?
[01:09:28] <Yuv422> hehe nope
[01:09:31] <Yuv422> :(
[01:09:45] <Yuv422> user management is quite poor in phorum
[01:10:07] <Yuv422> I'm not even sure if I can email from php scripts on source forge
[01:10:46] <Yuv422> I never received any of the system emails.
[01:11:21] <armav> my name contains a space, and it works!
[01:11:34] <Yuv422> cool
[01:11:45] <Yuv422> you could try logging in with the first part
[01:11:56] <armav> i'll try that
[01:12:16] <armav> can you dcc me a screenshot of how your browser messes up the table display?
[01:12:26] <armav> and what browser are you using?
[01:12:33] <Yuv422> mozilla 1.3
[01:12:44] <Yuv422> I'll generate a screenshot
[01:12:45] <armav> what os?
[01:13:04] <Yuv422> mac OS X
[01:13:24] <armav> is 1.3 the newest version?
[01:13:50] <Yuv422> I don't think so
[01:14:44] <armav> logging in with the first part of my name doesn't work
[01:15:30] <Yuv422> it happens with the netscape version too.
[01:15:30] <Yuv422> but not with ie or safari
[01:15:38] <Yuv422> and if you reload the page it displays properly
[01:15:43] <Yuv422> cool
[01:15:44] <armav> try upgrading your browser :)
[01:16:19] <Yuv422> the funny thing is it doesn't muck up the main nuvie page
[01:16:33] <Yuv422> which is where I copy & pasted the table info from. :)
[01:18:35] <Yuv422> hmm
[01:18:37] <armav> <td class="side-r"><img src="./images/blank.gif" border="0" width="13" height="1" alt="" />
[01:18:46] <armav> what's the purpose of the / at the end?
[01:19:00] <Yuv422> w3c compliance
[01:19:08] <Yuv422> I was running it through their validator
[01:19:09] <armav> <td class="oldpaper" width="100%">
[01:19:19] <armav> doesn't have a / at the end
[01:19:25] <Yuv422> and they require all img tags be terminated
[01:19:35] <armav> oic
[01:19:52] <Yuv422> there should be a corresponding </td. tag
[01:19:53] <Yuv422> </td>
[01:20:43] <Yuv422> is firebird a cut down version of the mozilla browser component?
[01:21:00] <armav> yes
[01:21:05] <armav> it's supposed to be faster
[01:22:10] <armav> i don't understand this: <br />
[01:22:31] <Yuv422> according to w3c even br tags need to be terminated
[01:22:39] <armav> omg
[01:22:55] <armav> there's nothing about that in my old html book :)
[01:23:20] <Yuv422> when I ran the page through their validator it came back with 200+ errors
[01:23:21] <Yuv422> ;)
[01:23:31] <Yuv422> I think it is only for strict compliance
[01:25:21] <armav> cool, you can edit posts
[01:25:28] <armav> nuvie forum > exult forum :)
[01:25:49] <Yuv422> hehe firebird for OS X is only 4 Meg smaller than the whole Mozilla build
[01:25:52] <Yuv422> hehe
[01:25:56] <Yuv422> apart from the rendering issues
[01:26:10] <armav> does the exult forum use tables too?
[01:26:12] <Yuv422> but exult forum has sticky and frozen threads
[01:26:28] <Yuv422> only the standard phorum tables
[01:26:41] <Yuv422> I've modified them for my theme.
[01:26:52] <Yuv422> I must have mucked it up someware
[01:27:12] <Yuv422> maybe I added some funnny chars when I was copying bits in.
[01:27:28] <Yuv422> I was doing it into a vim session from the web source window.
[01:27:29] <Yuv422> ;)
[01:31:13] <armav> i just noticed that the images in web/images don't have the -kb attribute set
[01:31:46] <Yuv422> hmm
[01:31:55] <Yuv422> I could reimport them.
[01:32:47] <armav> my image viewer refuses to display moongate.png and nuvie_logo.png (in cvs, the website displays fine)
[01:32:52] <Yuv422> I think my copies are from the cvs though
[01:34:32] <Yuv422> do your cvs copies have a different md5
[01:35:07] <Yuv422> MD5 (moongate.png) = f8bad34c11415d8ebc1777ec26cc0a37
[01:35:23] <Yuv422> MD5 (nuvie_logo.png) = db306b62f1dcb0259be34f025043bce2
[01:35:26] <armav> i'll check that
[01:37:46] <SB-X> forum is ready?
[01:39:37] <armav> dbd9c12e518c78aa571a818558a3f2e0 *moongate.png
[01:39:43] <armav> e1f28aa3f1834a35cda3a071538294d2 *nuvie_logo.png
[01:40:08] <Yuv422> SB-X: hehe not yet
[01:40:18] <Yuv422> still having html issues
[01:40:37] <Yuv422> I might try reimporting the images
[01:40:49] <SB-X> looks good to me
[01:40:57] <SB-X> though the side menu isnt there
[01:41:10] <SB-X> i guess thats expected
[01:41:26] <Yuv422> yes
[01:41:55] <Yuv422> it was hard enough just getting the paper look on the tables that are there
[01:42:08] <SB-X> i bet!
[01:42:22] <SB-X> the only thing i see now is the text entry box for "reply" isnt wide enough for the table
[01:42:27] <SB-X> but i think thats an opera issue
[01:42:32] <SB-X> it has similiar problems with exult's
[01:42:50] <SB-X> only since opera 7
[01:43:17] <Yuv422> ah k
[01:43:46] <SB-X> you can edit posts? heh
[01:43:47] <SB-X> thats great
[01:43:58] <SB-X> i like that it tells you it is edited
[01:44:34] <armav> what screen resolution are you using?
[01:44:42] <SB-X> me? 1024x768
[01:44:43] <armav> i'm using 640x480 :)
[01:44:57] <SB-X> do you use your name with spaces on the exult forum?
[01:45:00] <armav> my other monitor is broken :(
[01:45:09] <SB-X> this is max my monitor can get
[01:45:26] <Yuv422> 640x480 Yikes.
[01:45:52] <SB-X> i remember that
[01:46:12] <Yuv422> 1280x1024 here
[01:46:31] <armav> SB-X: i used to use my name with spaces on the exult forum, but i forgot my password :(
[01:47:00] <armav> so now i post on the exult forum anonmymously, with an underscore in my name
[01:47:11] <SB-X> oh
[01:47:17] <SB-X> what about the forgot my password feature?
[01:47:32] <SB-X> i will post something when the nuvie forum is ready
[01:47:36] <Yuv422> wjp: removed it
[01:47:38] <armav> i don't think the exult forum has this feature
[01:47:57] <armav> wjp removed all features :)
[01:48:03] <Yuv422> phorum allows anyone to change anyone else's password. :(
[01:48:19] * armav changes Yuv422's password
[01:48:21] <Yuv422> also I don;t think we can email from the scripts
[01:48:40] <Yuv422> so a password reset wouldn't send the new password out to the user.
[01:48:45] <Yuv422> :P
[01:51:34] <SB-X> sounds fun
[01:51:49] <SB-X> ill post a link to the old SF forums
[01:52:03] <armav> SB-X: who do i have to email if i want my password reset?
[01:52:14] <SB-X> Yuv422
[01:52:19] <Yuv422> wjp
[01:52:23] <Yuv422> on exult
[01:52:24] <armav> no, i mean on the exult forum :)
[01:52:26] <SB-X> oh
[01:52:26] <SB-X> heh
[01:52:44] <SB-X> yeah wjp then
[01:52:50] <Yuv422> anyone have the coords for the cyclops castle
[01:52:52] <Yuv422> in u6?
[01:53:17] <SB-X> yes
[01:53:40] <SB-X> Cyclops Castle (S of Minoc).......................25f,11d,0
[01:53:40] <SB-X> Vortex Cube.....................................93,3c,0
[01:54:02] <Yuv422> thanks
[01:54:14] <SB-X> np
[01:54:18] <SB-X> that is from alt_214.txt
[01:54:29] <SB-X> "for all you real cheaters out there"
[01:54:30] <SB-X> brought to you by Beamer
[01:54:43] <Yuv422> hehe
[01:55:00] <Yuv422> hmm cyclops' still not working
[01:55:28] <SB-X> you trying to tell him to lay down?
[01:55:32] <SB-X> or sit
[01:55:41] <Yuv422> getting them to walk around
[01:55:43] <SB-X> i don't think cyclops can sit :)
[01:55:44] <SB-X> oh ok
[01:56:07] <SB-X> im working on keys
[01:56:17] <Yuv422> cool
[01:56:41] <SB-X> actually just trying to get it to unstick from "use" mode
[01:56:46] <SB-X> then it will work
[01:56:56] <Yuv422> unstick?
[01:57:15] <SB-X> it shows both cursors
[01:57:24] <SB-X> and keeps using ever time i hit an arrow key
[01:57:32] <SB-X> and printing "On "
[01:57:36] <SB-X> unless i press enter :)
[01:57:51] <SB-X> i know whats wrong with it though
[02:04:04] <Yuv422> ah k
[02:04:23] <SB-X> is the Quit box a GUI_Area?
[02:04:34] <Yuv422> yes
[02:04:59] <SB-X> would it be possible to make a subclass that can show a bg picture or border, and allow dragging?
[02:05:12] <Yuv422> yeah
[02:05:21] <SB-X> okay
[02:05:21] <Yuv422> probably better to implement it into GUI_area
[02:05:42] <SB-X> just curious
[02:05:46] <SB-X> that sounds good
[02:05:52] <Yuv422> I was thinking of using the parchment graphics from the webpage
[02:06:07] <Yuv422> but it's low on the list of priorities ATM. ;)
[02:06:26] <SB-X> ya
[02:06:30] <SB-X> we have the graphics from the game right?
[02:06:45] <SB-X> i dont know what gfx types it can load
[02:07:02] <SB-X> but if it can use them from the game tiles, it can be game-specific sometime in the future
[02:07:20] <SB-X> like the brown and silver machine parts from MD
[02:07:48] <SB-X> or brown and yellow whatever
[02:08:11] <Yuv422> the parchment was stored per message :(
[02:08:17] <Yuv422> for the intro sequences
[02:08:25] <Yuv422> it wasn't built each time
[02:08:29] <Yuv422> from pieces. :(
[02:08:59] <SB-X> hmm
[02:09:06] <SB-X> but for the mapwindow border
[02:09:11] <SB-X> you use tiles right?
[02:09:55] <Yuv422> yes
[02:10:03] <SB-X> oh i see that is where the tiles i saw were from, they are different
[02:10:15] <SB-X> nm about that then
[02:10:31] <Yuv422> and they are only in u6
[02:10:44] <Yuv422> the other two games don't have edge tiles for the mapwindow
[02:16:07] <Yuv422> Yay
[02:16:16] <Yuv422> cyclops is walking around correctly
[02:17:00] <SB-X> haha
[02:17:06] <Yuv422> except they are partly over a wall
[02:17:08] <SB-X> ill be glad to see that
[02:17:17] <SB-X> can you walk behind them?
[02:17:24] <SB-X> i dont remember how it originally worked
[02:17:37] <Yuv422> it actually looks ok
[02:18:01] <Yuv422> I'll post a screenshot in a moment
[02:18:11] <Yuv422> just waiting for a download to finish
[02:19:22] <SB-X> i couldn't update CVS earlier because i was downloading music
[02:19:31] <Yuv422> hehe
[02:19:37] <Yuv422> I know.
[02:19:54] <SB-X> music from metal gear solid 2
[02:19:56] <Yuv422> I was trying to upload a screenshot for armav but it kept timing out
[02:19:58] <SB-X> but ive got the new cvs now
[02:20:01] <Yuv422> ah k
[02:20:02] <SB-X> heh
[02:20:30] <armav> Yuv422: you're going to upload the screenshot to cvs?
[02:23:52] <Yuv422> nah
[02:24:03] <Yuv422> just stick it into the webpage manually
[02:25:11] <SB-X> Yuv422: do you think if we make an Anim class, it would only handle intro/end sequences and sprite animations (special effects), or would it also handle the map tile animations like the crank
[02:25:16] <SB-X> ?
[02:25:27] <Yuv422> hmm
[02:25:39] <Yuv422> crank is handled in the same way as water and falgs
[02:25:43] <Yuv422> flags
[02:25:50] <Yuv422> we need a way to disable those animations
[02:26:14] <Yuv422> at the moment they are cycled as part of a table
[02:27:37] <armav> but the crank isn't always animated
[02:27:38] <SB-X> is there something on the object that tells you it should always be cycled?
[02:27:47] <SB-X> shouldn't always*
[02:27:55] <SB-X> or do you have to hardcode it for each thing
[02:27:56] <Yuv422> it's all at a tile level
[02:28:09] <SB-X> undiscovered flags?
[02:28:13] <Yuv422> the cycling is hard coded into game.exe
[02:28:18] <Yuv422> I think
[02:28:20] <SB-X> :\
[02:29:34] <armav> almost everything is hardcoded :(
[02:29:47] <Yuv422> http://nuvie.sourceforge.net/mess.png
[02:29:53] <armav> ultima 4 is even worse
[02:30:01] <Yuv422> http://nuvie.sourceforge.net/hmm.png
[02:30:32] <SB-X> armav: they seemed to learn in each game to put more and more things in datafiles :)
[02:31:10] <armav> ultima 9 must be perfect then :)
[02:31:19] <Yuv422> heheh
[02:31:20] <armav> Yuv422: that looks really weird
[02:31:47] <SB-X> CSS issue?
[02:31:54] <Yuv422> which picture are you talking about?
[02:31:55] <SB-X> lol
[02:32:03] <SB-X> i havn't played U9
[02:32:08] <SB-X> mess.png
[02:34:53] <SB-X> the cyclops looks nice
[02:34:57] <SB-X> it doesn't look odd
[02:35:08] <armav> how old were you when you first played ultima 6?
[02:35:21] <Yuv422> hmm let me see
[02:36:00] <Yuv422> probably 13, 14
[02:36:13] <SB-X> i was going to say 12
[02:36:17] <SB-X> but i'm not sure really
[02:36:26] <armav> i was in grade 7 or 8
[02:36:30] <SB-X> and i played the SNES version first
[02:36:43] <Yuv422> SNES.. evil
[02:36:45] <armav> ultima 6 was my first pc ultima
[02:36:48] <SB-X> lol
[02:36:52] <Yuv422> same
[02:37:11] <SB-X> i think i played u5 first
[02:37:16] <Yuv422> I got it because it was the only game in the store that worked on my old computer.
[02:37:22] <Yuv422> :)
[02:37:28] <Yuv422> the rest is history. :)
[02:37:40] <armav> did you have a vga card?
[02:37:45] <Yuv422> herc
[02:37:49] <armav> OMG
[02:38:04] <Yuv422> green on black! Oh yeah!!
[02:38:18] <armav> which reminds me, i wanted to ask if you were going to support the other video modes besides vga
[02:38:22] <Yuv422> lets just say u6 shouldn't have run on it. it was pretty poor
[02:38:29] <Yuv422> hehe
[02:38:30] <Yuv422> maybe
[02:38:36] <Yuv422> it shouldn't be too hard
[02:38:50] <Yuv422> aslong as we can work out their dithering algorithm
[02:39:17] <Yuv422> http://nuvie.sourceforge.net/hmm1.png
[02:39:19] <SB-X> just for nostalgia?
[02:39:40] <Yuv422> nuvie is just for nostalgia, right!?
[02:39:45] <armav> what? :)
[02:40:29] <Yuv422> I wonder if anyone will play u6 for the first time in nuvie?
[02:40:29] <SB-X> No, I must save Britannia from the Gargoyle menace over and over again, or I lose karma.
[02:40:33] <SB-X> Nuvie should make that easier.
[02:41:30] <armav> the problem is that you can't buy ultima 6 in stores anymore, and even on ebay it's getting rare
[02:41:56] <Yuv422> hehe I have three original u6's bought from ebay. :)
[02:42:05] <SB-X> yuv just sent me u6 on big floppy disks
[02:42:10] <Yuv422> but getting it off the disks would be a nightmare
[02:42:12] <SB-X> and he got the box
[02:42:17] <Yuv422> ;)
[02:43:16] <Yuv422> I wonder if a ultima fan saw my u6 box go through the mail system.
[02:43:32] <Yuv422> it just had my address stuck to the cover with sticky tape
[02:43:46] <Yuv422> it was a bit upsetting to see the u6 box used in that way.
[02:43:49] <SB-X> heh
[02:44:03] <SB-X> i thought it would have a paper sack on it
[02:44:09] <SB-X> paper package
[02:44:14] <SB-X> did you get the sticker off?
[02:44:17] <SB-X> tape*
[02:44:24] <armav> same with my ulima 8 box
[02:44:32] <Yuv422> nah it is glued on
[02:44:33] <Yuv422> :(
[02:44:52] <Yuv422> I lent my u8 to a friend who lent it to a friend and it came back ruined. :(
[02:44:54] <SB-X> oh how fun :\
[02:45:00] <armav> Yuv422: if you played u6 in monochrome mode you'll probaly want nuvie to support it
[02:45:23] <armav> but i don't know if the other color modes are worth it
[02:45:26] <Yuv422> armav: hehe It wasn't really a pleasurable experience
[02:45:51] <armav> i'd rather play u6 on a pc in monochrome than on a c64 in color
[02:46:09] <Yuv422> you spent most of your time trying to workout what was going on.
[02:46:10] <SB-X> ive played c64 version in an emulator
[02:46:22] <armav> how many disks are there?
[02:46:26] <armav> 8?
[02:46:39] <SB-X> i think i still have it
[02:47:13] <SB-X> oops, no i dont sorry
[02:47:33] <armav> it's too bad that disk swapping has been replaced by cd swapping (you'll know what i mean if you've played planescape torment)
[02:47:35] <SB-X> i didnt have the real version, just one i found online so i could try it with the emu
[02:47:49] <SB-X> eh
[02:47:53] <Yuv422> it will be dvd swapping soon. ;)
[02:47:56] <SB-X> ew
[02:48:08] <SB-X> i havn't played any games that use that much data yet
[02:48:18] <SB-X> but i have a dvd reader
[02:48:20] <armav> please insert the towne dvd and press f1 :D
[02:48:26] <SB-X> haha
[02:48:35] <SB-X> the biggest game i have played was neocron at 1.4GB
[02:48:51] <SB-X> but you put that all on HD at install
[02:52:07] <SB-X> Yuv422: is it much work to keep the big actors behind things they are next too?
[02:52:09] <SB-X> next to*
[02:52:13] <SB-X> such as the monoliths
[02:52:18] <SB-X> and the gargoyle's wings
[02:52:25] <Yuv422> hmm
[02:52:31] <Yuv422> that would be in move I guess
[02:53:09] <SB-X> i mean with drawing
[02:53:10] <Yuv422> we'd need to check the three surrounding areas when moving either gargoyles or cyclopses
[02:53:23] <Yuv422> hmm
[02:53:37] <Yuv422> yeah there are still some drawing order issues
[02:55:19] <Yuv422> actors are drawn before top objects
[02:55:36] <Yuv422> because they need to be under pillars archways etc
[02:55:48] <Yuv422> but gargs have top tile objects in them
[02:55:55] <Yuv422> but they aren't objects on the map
[02:56:08] <Yuv422> only drawn from the actor itself
[02:56:09] <Yuv422> :(
[02:56:18] <SB-X> i wonder what it looks like in the original
[02:56:27] <SB-X> you can test movement and drawing order with the talking cyclops or gargoyle npc's like sin'vrall using alt500
[02:57:48] <SB-X> Sin'Vraal is 141, Papa is 143
[02:59:09] <Yuv422> the gargolye in infront of the monolith in the original
[02:59:39] <Yuv422> I think I can fix that
[02:59:48] <SB-X> ok
[02:59:53] <Yuv422> it might mean another pass of the actors after the top objects are drawn
[03:00:20] <SB-X> pu6e handle it correctly?
[03:00:34] <Yuv422> not sure
[03:04:10] * SB-X is away: bbl
[03:04:17] <Yuv422> k
[03:04:24] <Yuv422> I might get some lunch now too
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[03:54:30] <Yuv422> hmm the page is still mangled with firebird
[03:54:41] <Yuv422> downloading mozilla 1.5rc2 now
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[05:10:49] <Yuv422> hmm
[05:10:54] <Yuv422> if I take a bit out
[05:10:57] <Yuv422> it works
[05:11:08] <Yuv422> then I put a link in and it doesn't work :(
[05:18:19] <SB-X> hey
[05:18:24] <SB-X> fiddling with the forum?
[05:18:30] <Yuv422> yep
[05:18:37] <Yuv422> still trying to get it to work. :(
[05:18:45] <SB-X> what part breaks it?
[05:19:03] <Yuv422> that's what I'm trying to determine
[05:20:59] <Yuv422> hmm
[05:21:06] <Yuv422> looks like it might be font tags
[05:21:24] <Yuv422> or style class tags
[05:22:17] <SB-X> firebird doesn't do CSS properly?
[05:22:50] <Yuv422> hmm
[05:22:59] <Yuv422> if I put the font tag back in it breaks
[05:23:08] <SB-X> there are font tags in more than one place
[05:23:17] <Yuv422> yeah
[05:23:27] <Yuv422> just testing the class tag in the font
[05:24:04] <Yuv422> hmm
[05:24:11] <Yuv422> if I remove the color tag it works
[05:24:16] <Yuv422> with the font tag left in
[05:25:36] <SB-X> what if you replace it with a style="" for the color
[05:25:52] <Yuv422> style="blah"
[05:26:04] <Yuv422> or class="stylename"
[05:27:01] <Yuv422> hmm if I have anything in the font tag it mucks up
[05:27:40] <Yuv422> interesting if I pump space into the font tag it mucks too
[05:28:08] <Yuv422> Argh! I want to know why this is happening.
[05:29:04] <SB-X> well, you know font is deprecated
[05:29:12] <SB-X> maybe mozilla felt they didnt need to support it fully :)
[05:29:18] <SB-X> but then changed their mind
[05:29:41] <SB-X> any im just pulling that out of my ass i have no idea really :)
[05:29:46] <SB-X> and im*
[05:30:29] <Yuv422> it might just be the size of the data in the <td></td> tag
[05:30:35] <Yuv422> let me check
[05:31:13] <Yuv422> if I put more data in it craps out too. :(
[05:41:08] <SB-X> was that in the original?
[05:41:21] <SB-X> before you added to it
[05:41:39] <SB-X> i searched for mozilla firebird phorum but didnt find anything at first glance
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[06:08:29] <SB-X> do we have sticky threads?
[06:08:36] <Yuv422> nope
[06:11:15] <SB-X> hmm
[06:11:19] <SB-X> we need sticky threads :)
[06:12:52] <SB-X> I'm going to post some links to the old forums and the seperate trackers and remind people to use them
[06:14:45] <Yuv422> hmm
[06:14:49] <Yuv422> I might have fixed it
[06:16:26] <SB-X> !
[06:16:27] <SB-X> ?
[06:16:46] <Yuv422> I added the following
[06:16:58] <Yuv422> background-repeat: repeat-y;
[06:17:07] <Yuv422> to the td. styles
[06:17:12] <Yuv422> for the sides of the box
[06:17:32] <Yuv422> yay
[06:17:39] <Yuv422> can you give it a test
[06:20:46] <SB-X> loading
[06:21:11] <SB-X> looks the same basically, but without the intro box
[06:21:21] <SB-X> the title box
[06:21:23] <SB-X> i don't get that now
[06:21:32] <SB-X> and everything else is moved up
[06:22:50] <Yuv422> the title box should be back now
[06:24:53] <SB-X> yup
[06:24:55] <SB-X> good
[06:25:01] <SB-X> looks almost just like it did before :)
[06:25:12] <Yuv422> hehe what's different
[06:25:16] <Yuv422> ?
[06:25:26] <SB-X> it seems a few pixels wider, and the text in the title box is higher and theres more empty space in the box
[06:25:36] <SB-X> it would be barely noticable in side by side screenshots
[06:37:42] <Yuv422> well do you think I should scrubb the forum and link it into the main site
[06:37:42] <SB-X> tested it
[06:37:47] <SB-X> http://nuvie.sourceforge.net/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=13&t=13
[06:38:44] <Yuv422> :)
[06:38:54] <SB-X> what do you mean scrubb thefo rum?
[06:38:57] <SB-X> the forum*
[06:39:01] <Yuv422> scrub
[06:39:12] <Yuv422> clear out all our test entries
[06:39:29] <Yuv422> and write an introduction message
[06:39:56] <SB-X> oh, right
[06:40:03] <SB-X> I expecting that to happen
[06:40:06] <SB-X> I was*
[06:40:11] <SB-X> Which is why I havn't posted yet
[06:40:17] <SB-X> Waiting for it to be "ready"
[06:41:54] <SB-X> You think we'll be able to stick them after posting them?
[06:41:58] <SB-X> After that mod is added
[06:42:21] <SB-X> Then I wouldn't mind writing something now if it can be stuck later
[06:43:02] <Yuv422> ok the forum is clean.
[06:43:13] <Yuv422> do you want to write an introduction message?
[06:43:24] <Yuv422> welcoming people to the "new" forum.
[06:43:26] <Yuv422> ?
[06:43:33] <SB-X> what were you going to write?
[06:43:37] <SB-X> I'll wait for yours
[06:43:51] <Yuv422> ok
[06:43:54] <SB-X> I just want to link to the old forums and remind people to bug report
[06:44:05] <SB-X> you can welcome them first
[06:44:10] <SB-X> tag-team effort
[06:44:12] <SB-X> heh heh
[06:44:33] <SB-X> it looks very odd without any messages btw :)
[06:44:50] <Yuv422> hehe
[06:45:50] <SB-X> now I have been talking on MSNM instead of doing code, so...
[06:45:54] * SB-X gets back to work.
[06:46:04] <Yuv422> hehe
[06:46:10] <Yuv422> I'll write that message now
[06:57:28] <Yuv422> ok that message is in.
[06:57:57] <Yuv422> did you want to post anything before I link it into the main page?
[07:00:20] <SB-X> no thats okay, I'll look at it first
[07:00:25] <SB-X> and read what you wrote
[07:00:44] <SB-X> are you going to replace the old Forums link?
[07:01:00] <Yuv422> yes
[07:01:38] <Yuv422> I'll probably add a news article too
[07:08:57] <SB-X> and now it's storming
[07:09:03] <Yuv422> cool
[07:09:06] * SB-X grumbles.
[07:09:06] <SB-X> see you later
[07:09:12] <Yuv422> k cya
[07:09:56] <SB-X> heh
[07:09:56] <SB-X> must avoid power flickering
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[09:12:41] <Yuv422> Yay winged gargolyes now sleep in their beds.
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[10:48:05] <wjp> hi
[10:56:37] <Yuv422> hi wjp
[10:57:13] <Yuv422> the new forum is live now
[11:13:15] <wjp> ok, I registered an account :-)
[11:13:26] <Yuv422> :)
[11:13:50] <Yuv422> do you ever get people asking you to reset their accounts on the exult forum?
[11:14:25] <wjp> occasionally
[11:15:24] <Yuv422> I fixed the table display problem
[11:15:36] <Yuv422> I needed to add some info to the stylesheet
[11:43:54] <wjp> ah, I see
[11:44:03] <wjp> it does indeed seem to work here, now
[11:44:10] <Yuv422> :)
[11:45:46] <Yuv422> hehe cows are spliting in half and wandering around in nuvie at the moment
[11:46:46] <wjp> both ends separately? :-)
[11:46:54] <Yuv422> hehe not yet
[11:47:08] <Yuv422> I'm just about to work on the cow backs
[12:13:36] <Yuv422> nuvie comes up on page 18 on a google search for "ultima 6" :(
[12:14:04] <wjp> exult is first on a search for ultima 7 :-)
[12:14:20] <Yuv422> yeah.
[12:14:22] <Yuv422> :)
[12:14:38] <Yuv422> exult is a lot bigger than nuvie though
[12:14:45] <Yuv422> loads more links
[12:17:40] <wjp> once nuvie is fully playable the ranking should get better :-)
[12:18:09] <Yuv422> I wonder when that will be? ;)
[12:19:47] <wjp> yeah, me too :-)
[12:23:49] <Yuv422> was it a hard task adding sticky and frozen threads to phorum?
[12:25:07] <wjp> let's just say I'm still not very confident that it's entirely correct :-)
[12:25:19] <Yuv422> hehe
[12:25:53] <wjp> the code in phorum that determines which messages to display is kind of confusing
[12:26:17] <Yuv422> I take it you added fields to the db?
[12:26:38] <wjp> yes
[12:26:40] <wjp> well, one field
[12:27:20] <Yuv422> only one?
[12:27:26] <wjp> a 'threadflags' field
[12:27:33] <Yuv422> ah k
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[13:05:36] <wjp> I get a Floating Point Exception when I start nuvie now
[13:05:47] <wjp> right after the main screen is shown
[13:06:11] <wjp> 0x0804cc63 in U6Actor::twitch() (this=0x823bfb0) at actors/U6Actor.cpp:138
[13:06:11] <wjp> 138 walk_frame = NUVIE_RAND()%actor_type->frames_per_direction;
[13:06:44] <wjp> as you can probably guess frames_per_direction is 0 here
[13:11:07] <Yuv422> ouch
[13:11:31] <Yuv422> what is actor_type->base_obj_n
[13:12:08] <wjp> 352
[13:13:00] <Yuv422> ah
[13:13:04] <Yuv422> ghosts
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[13:17:16] <Yuv422> hi armav
[13:18:53] <armav> hi
[13:20:10] <Yuv422> wjp: a fix for that issue should be in cvs now
[13:21:03] <wjp> yes, works now
[13:22:08] <Yuv422> does the ghost move around?
[13:22:14] <wjp> I don't see any ghost
[13:22:25] <Yuv422> hmm
[13:22:30] <wjp> this is in the throne room at the start, btw
[13:22:36] <Yuv422> oh
[13:22:56] <Yuv422> strange
[13:23:17] * Yuv422 wonders why wjp has a ghost object in his savegame
[13:24:03] <Yuv422> do you see gargolyes?
[13:24:21] <Yuv422> and an egg on the carpet?
[13:25:03] <wjp> no and no
[13:25:19] <Yuv422> is your savegame at the very start of the game?
[13:25:19] <wjp> wait, there is an egg
[13:25:44] <wjp> it's just "hidden" on the emblem on the carpet
[13:25:53] <wjp> I have no idea where this savegame is
[13:26:00] <Yuv422> that is the gargoyle egg
[13:26:05] <Yuv422> it is a temp object
[13:26:13] <Yuv422> if you moved away from there and saved
[13:26:18] <Yuv422> it should go away
[13:26:20] <wjp> my inventory is quite empty, so I'm guessing it's at the start
[13:29:20] <Yuv422> hehe
[13:29:27] <Yuv422> my mistake
[13:30:28] <Yuv422> That's quenton's ghost
[13:30:35] <Yuv422> that was causing your crash
[13:31:54] <wjp> hm, who? :-)
[13:37:13] <Yuv422> alt-400 91
[13:37:52] <Yuv422> or alt-500 91 if you want to follow his schedule
[13:38:56] <Yuv422> hmm looks like he doesn't go any ware
[13:39:05] <wjp> hm, do I need a seance spell to talk to him?
[13:39:14] <Yuv422> nope
[13:40:03] <wjp> he's not saying anything :-(
[13:40:04] * Yuv422 walks around as a ghost
[13:40:44] <Yuv422> hmm
[13:41:02] <Yuv422> I'm not sure he has anything to say
[13:41:12] <wjp> "You hear no answer save the rustle of the leaves on the ground around you."
[13:41:37] <Yuv422> alt-500 141
[13:41:48] <Yuv422> if you want to walk around as a gargolye
[13:42:08] <wjp> um, that had an interesting effect
[13:42:17] <Yuv422> yeah
[13:42:24] <wjp> I first turned into a sleeping gargoyle
[13:42:26] <Yuv422> some issues with the twitching I think
[13:42:31] <Yuv422> hmm
[13:42:35] <wjp> then into slime?
[13:42:39] <wjp> a bat
[13:42:44] <Yuv422> he might have been scheduled to sleep
[13:42:44] <wjp> a rat
[13:42:51] <wjp> a sheep?
[13:42:56] <Yuv422> oh dear that doesn't sound good
[13:42:56] <Yuv422> ah
[13:43:00] <wjp> with every move I turn into something else :-)
[13:43:13] <Yuv422> if he was sleeping in your save there will be issues
[13:43:23] <wjp> he was
[13:45:30] <Yuv422> can you try alt-500 141 then press esc till he gets up.
[13:45:45] <Yuv422> did he only start mutating when you moved?
[13:46:02] <wjp> no
[13:46:10] <wjp> works ok after he woke up
[13:46:47] <wjp> something's interfering with walking around... I guess that's his normal schedule?
[13:47:24] * wjp wonders how that gargoyle fits through that door
[13:47:33] <Yuv422> hehe
[13:47:50] <Yuv422> lets just say that he has "issues" at the moment
[14:16:13] <Yuv422> time for bed
[14:16:16] <Yuv422> cya
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