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[20:39:51] <Malignant_Manor> Yuv422: I think I will get rid of the fullscreen_map cfg option and replace it with video/game_style
[20:41:25] <Malignant_Manor> I'm having problems with screen->blit, SDL_Rect, and the dest_x parameter
[20:42:31] <Yuv422> hey Malignant_Manor
[20:42:42] <Malignant_Manor> It blits the image as if it was still 320x200 and blit at the original location instead of the destination
[20:42:46] <Yuv422> sure yeah the fullscreen_map name is quite confusing
[20:43:05] <Malignant_Manor> maybe call it new style to be consistant
[20:43:17] <Yuv422> or UI style
[20:43:19] <Yuv422> original
[20:43:22] <Yuv422> gump
[20:43:25] <Yuv422> hybrid
[20:43:31] <Yuv422> or something else
[20:43:37] <Yuv422> I've got to go now
[20:43:39] <Yuv422> though
[20:43:45] <Malignant_Manor> I'm not good at naming
[20:44:32] <Yuv422> yeah me either
[20:44:40] <Yuv422> lets have a think about it
[20:44:41] <Yuv422> cya
[20:44:45] <Malignant_Manor> bye
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[21:03:21] <Malignant_Manor> Dominus: Are you there?
[21:03:40] <Malignant_Manor> Dominus: What do you think the name should be?
[21:04:33] <Malignant_Manor> Also, I have RESOLUTION_INDEPENDENT and RESOLUTION_INDEPENDENT_FULL_MAP as the working title for the original style derivatives.
[21:32:20] <Dominus> hi Malignant_Manor
[21:32:31] <Malignant_Manor> hello
[21:32:58] <Dominus> so we have "original" or "classic" view
[21:33:28] <Malignant_Manor> 4 different modes
[21:33:43] <Dominus> then the opposite should be "new style" or "modern" or "less cluttered"
[21:34:00] <Dominus> 4 different modes?
[21:34:10] <Dominus> I seem to be out of touch...
[21:34:25] <Malignant_Manor> I'm working on the other two
[21:34:35] <Malignant_Manor> new_style is already used in code for fullscreen_map
[21:34:49] <Malignant_Manor> original_style is used for the original
[21:34:59] <Dominus> hmm
[21:35:11] <Dominus> so yes, original_style for sure
[21:35:37] <Malignant_Manor> I can send a screenshot.
[21:36:10] <Dominus> yeah sure, can you upload it somewhere? not sure if my client does dcc correctly yet
[21:36:44] <Malignant_Manor> I'll try dcc first after I get it saved
[21:37:16] <Dominus> depending on your other two styles, maybe the new_style should be new_clean_style and then go from there with your other two
[21:38:28] <Malignant_Manor> as said previously, one has a working title of RESOLUTION_INDEPENDENT
[21:39:07] <Malignant_Manor> It will be basically the original with the left background removed and allow a different sized map
[21:40:32] <TheCycoONE> original, borderless, and fullscreen?
[21:40:38] <Dominus> doesn't that look odd with the left background removed? it's not much background anyway there
[21:41:01] <Dominus> fullscreen shouldn't be used as a name, IMO
[21:41:13] <Dominus> people expect something else with fullscreen :)
[21:41:15] <TheCycoONE> yeah, I see the conflict
[21:42:26] <Malignant_Manor> The map will cuttoff where the view/msgscroll start http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=16217
[21:43:01] <Dominus> ah, thanks
[21:43:07] <TheCycoONE> heh, original, half map, and full map ;)
[21:43:16] <Malignant_Manor> I need to select a nice color for the wind/date text.
[21:43:18] <Dominus> much better to see what you mean
[21:44:03] <Dominus> same color as the right background with a black outline?
[21:44:35] <Dominus> what will the second variation be?
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[21:48:16] <Malignant_Manor> We don't have an outline for text, as far as I know.
[21:48:29] <Malignant_Manor> Here is how it looks at 640x400 http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=16218
[21:48:45] <Malignant_Manor> Notice that the right bottom is just black
[21:49:07] <Dominus> now even clearer what you are doing
[21:49:08] <Malignant_Manor> It's a mockup
[21:49:20] <Dominus> but stumps me a bit with what to call it...
[21:49:50] <Dominus> btw, can you expand the "command" scroll to fill the page?
[21:49:52] <Malignant_Manor> That's original with variable resolution?
[21:50:31] <Malignant_Manor> I think that it is tall enough, I can put it underneath
[21:50:45] <Malignant_Manor> in the bottom right of the screen
[21:50:56] <Dominus> hmm, something with "semi_original"?
[21:51:43] <Malignant_Manor> It will stick out a little bit
[21:51:58] <Malignant_Manor> The other mode implementation isn't going so well
[21:52:51] <Malignant_Manor> by little bit, It is one pixel too large
[21:54:26] <Malignant_Manor> The other mode would have the map extend to the black area and I would need to recenter the map.
[21:55:35] <Dominus> so maybe: original, new, mixed?
[21:55:52] <Dominus> or "best_of_both_worlds" :)
[21:56:44] <Malignant_Manor> http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=16219
[21:57:48] <Malignant_Manor> That's it at the moment. Notice the off-centered Avatar when low resolution. Also, the background isn't rendering.
[21:58:07] <Dominus> hmm, wouldn't that feel a bit odd with the right side always being so near the centered avatar, at least in small resolution?
[22:01:15] <Malignant_Manor> Yeah, that's why I would need to recenter it.
[22:02:31] <Dominus> so, how about: original, new, mixed-split and mixed-full ?
[22:04:43] <Malignant_Manor> Here is 640x400 with that last mode http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=16220
[22:04:56] <Malignant_Manor> I think the mixed ones sound wierd
[22:05:22] <Malignant_Manor> Just ignore the left view/msgscroll
[22:05:59] <Dominus> yeah, mixed is not a good choice if you have no idea what it is about
[22:06:16] <Malignant_Manor> In that mode, I was thinking about having the view and msgscroll be able to be hidden
[22:06:28] <Malignant_Manor> command bar would be able to be hidden in both
[22:06:40] <Dominus> they look a bit odd without the scroll borders
[22:06:56] <Malignant_Manor> Yeah, it is probably a render order issue
[22:07:04] <Malignant_Manor> The map overwrites it
[22:07:36] <Dominus> right, understand
[22:08:00] <Dominus> I really can't think of good names for those
[22:08:10] <Malignant_Manor> Like I said, there is a lot of problems getting the second mode implemented
[22:08:42] <Dominus> you probably need to go with weird names like "COLOURLESS_REALLY_HATES..."(you know what I mean) :))
[22:09:15] <Malignant_Manor> I still like resolution independent but so is the new style
[22:09:15] <Dominus> malignants special view 1 and 2
[22:09:35] <Malignant_Manor> resolution independent full map is a bit weirder
[22:09:35] <Dominus> resolution independent is as bad as mixed IMO
[22:10:12] <Dominus> it's not giving you a good idea what is going on
[22:10:59] <Dominus> "original+" and original++" :)
[22:11:13] <Malignant_Manor> basically the same as the original but you can change the resolution
[22:12:15] <Dominus> original, original advanced, original very advanced, new :)
[22:13:37] <Malignant_Manor> I like most of the original interface better except for how limited the resolution is.
[22:14:02] <Dominus> original, original big view, original full view, new
[22:14:23] <Dominus> or scratch the big
[22:15:09] <Dominus> I wouldn't mention the resolution thing as that will confuse at first, even though it is *the* big thing of those views
[22:16:07] <Dominus> I really tend towards the last one
[22:16:21] <Dominus> original, original big, original full, new
[22:19:17] <Malignant_Manor> Dominus: Have you looked at the Nuvie forum recently?
[22:19:26] <Dominus> yes
[22:19:40] <Dominus> I'm about to reply to the paperdoll thing
[22:22:23] <Dominus> but mostly I'm indifferent
[22:22:50] <Dominus> meaning I like the new paperdolls they look great and should be used in whichever form is decided on
[22:23:10] <Dominus> but I have no opinion on how to change them or make them different
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