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[20:34:42] <watt> so far, yeah, I like Ubuntu.
[20:35:08] <watt> Wacom pad working, so I'll start drawing stuff.
[20:35:33] <wjp> cool :-)
[20:35:55] <wjp> I hope my actual pentagram commits didn't scare you too much, by the way ;-)
[20:36:48] <watt> Yeah, I noticed that as I setup my mail
[20:36:52] <watt> YAY!
[20:41:42] <watt> well, I need to actually install gcc - not used to that
[20:50:36] <wjp> not installed by default? peculiar
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[20:54:27] <wjp> every once in a while I think about what distro I'd install if I were to get a new PC, and I really don't know...
[21:02:52] <watt> Well, many distros don't install dev stuff by default - actually, I gentoo is to only one I've ever used that did
[21:05:01] <watt> and as long as I use a packaging system to automatically gets dependencies when I ask for edev stuff, I fine with it ;-)
[21:08:41] <wjp> I guess it's been too long since I last installed a distro from scratch :-)
[21:09:55] <watt> I also made it the point to switch off kde - realized all the apps I care about were already gtk+ - might as well use gnome
[21:11:07] <watt> graphical apps i care about: firefox & gimp - everything else can be replaced
[21:11:15] <watt> ;-)
[21:14:25] <SB-X> he uses firefox & chatzilla for irc too
[21:15:02] <watt> tends to work well
[21:16:06] <wjp> yeah, I found I didn't use any kde apps, so I don't even have kde-libs installed currently
[21:16:34] <watt> oh yeah - gvim & eclipse are in that list too
[21:16:57] <wjp> I'm rather happy with xfce
[21:17:26] <wjp> gnome doesn't do anything useful enough to be worth the slowdown, IMO
[21:18:01] <watt> Possibly true... I was thinking about trying e17
[21:18:15] <wjp> is that out already?
[21:19:22] <watt> just the dev release
[21:20:52] <watt> Gnome does seem a touch slow.... but only for a few things. File browsing over samba does seem impossible though.
[21:21:22] <watt> in Nautilus
[21:21:53] <wjp> the e17 demo video does look rather cool :-)
[21:29:47] <SB-X> Enlightenment isn't slow?
[21:30:06] <SB-X> eh, E
[21:31:00] <SB-X> I thought E was known for being really nice to look at so I assumed it's also slower than other WMs.
[21:31:28] <SB-X> well not thought, I know it looks good, I've used it before :)
[21:38:55] <servus> I use KDE out of habit, but I'd be happy with the lightest-weight manager that has a system tray. I don't ever do any pointing nor clicking outside of a web browser or Gaim and things (X-Chat too)
[21:39:57] <wjp> hm, xfce does have a system tray :-)
[21:40:27] <SB-X> I use XFCE.
[21:41:00] <SB-X> not a new version though
[21:42:34] <SB-X> do many applications use the system tray?
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[21:47:02] <servus> Gaim does. So does xmms (I think, haven't used audio in Linux for a while).
[21:48:27] <SB-X> my old version of xmms doesn't so I just minimize it