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[02:20:45] <coolball> <coolball> when i start exult a window opens then closes no text fullscreen is not on and i am pretty sure i got the dirs right
[02:20:45] <coolball> <coolball> no stderr either
[02:20:45] <coolball> <coolball> thanks in advance
[02:20:45] <coolball> <coolball> thanks if u read this
[02:20:45] <coolball> <coolball> i installed 1.1beta3 from an rpm
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[11:22:46] <Colourless> hi
[11:26:34] <Darke> Hiya.
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[17:04:56] <wjp> hm, I could've sworn I saw that feat somewhere in an official book before
[17:09:15] <wjp> ...but I can't seem to find it
[17:10:01] <Colourless> in finished SoU btw
[17:10:17] <Colourless> it really did seem kind of short
[17:11:51] <Colourless> almost as if it were half finished. You could do things that really should have had consequences, but didn't matter in the end
[17:11:55] <wjp> hm, one semi-official description is "Can use Hide skill even when being observed, if within 10 ft. of shadows (except her own)"
[17:13:38] <Colourless> i don't think actual shadows have an effect in NWN
[17:15:04] <wjp> ok, found this bit of info in an official text too
[17:16:01] <wjp> did you try being a shadowdancer, btw?
[17:16:05] <Colourless> yes
[17:18:35] <wjp> prerequisites: move silently: 8, hide: 10, perform: 5, feats: dodge, mobility, combat reflexes
[17:18:40] <wjp> and you get hide in plain sight at level 1
[17:18:56] <wjp> interesting prestige class :-)
[17:19:11] <Colourless> in NWN doesn't have the perform requirement.
[17:19:36] <wjp> nice abilities at higher levels too
[17:20:14] <Colourless> all of the prestige classes are pretty good
[17:20:24] <Colourless> just depends on what you play as
[17:20:49] <Colourless> some of course don't go together. i.e. Paladin and Blackguard
[17:21:10] <wjp> I would assume blackguard has at least some evil as alignment requirement?
[17:21:52] <Colourless> Requirements
[17:21:53] <Colourless> To qualify as a shadowdancer, a character must fulfill all of the following
[17:21:53] <Colourless> criteria:
[17:21:53] <Colourless> Skills: Move Silently 8 ranks, Hide 10 ranks, Tumble 5 ranks
[17:21:53] <Colourless> Feats: Dodge, Mobility
[17:22:21] <Colourless> yes blackguard is evil
[17:22:25] <wjp> tumble instead of perform, no combat reflexes
[17:23:39] <wjp> so you can probably get this prestige class after about level 7 if you try?
[17:24:35] <Colourless> i would guess yes if that is what you were trying to do
[17:25:33] <Colourless> you can probably get most at about level 7
[17:27:31] <wjp> which level were you when you finished SoU, btw?
[17:27:53] <Colourless> i was at 12
[17:28:16] <Colourless> a few hundred points from 13
[17:28:25] <wjp> so comparing that with the original, it would be about 2 chapters
[17:28:47] <Colourless> yes. It says it have 2 chapters and an interlude
[17:30:58] <Colourless> in case you didn't know, the 1.61 patches are now out (for linux too). However, last time i checked the 1.61 patch for Linux and HotU isn't out yet. It would appear to be coming soon since it was listed on the patches page
[17:31:22] * wjp hadn't checked yet today
[17:32:00] <wjp> ah, it's listed but not downloadable
[17:32:35] <Colourless> i am so not downloading the patch. i ran nwupdater and it wanted to download something like 30 mb :-)
[17:32:54] <wjp> the HotU 1.59 -> 1.61 should be smaller
[17:33:09] <Colourless> yes it is
[17:33:19] <wjp> ah, good, the linux client page now has HotU install instructions too
[17:33:48] <wjp> 6. # Log in to download the Linux HotU Client binaries. If you do not have an account, sign up for an account now! It's free and allows you greater access to all the BioWare sites.
[17:34:29] <wjp> that might be why it's not downloadable straight from the patch page
[17:34:34] <Colourless> yes
[17:34:41] <Colourless> i wasn't logged in when i checked :-)
[17:34:46] <wjp> I guess I'll sign up then
[17:35:58] <Colourless> :-)
[17:37:53] <Colourless> i found it quite amusing to see they were using canadian flags to signify the english language version. Sure they are a Canadian company, but gee, most people would be looking for say, English flags
[17:37:55] <wjp> cute: "Choose Current Time: " (with a box listing times between 17 dec, 5:35am and 18 dec, 6:35 am)... I guess they don't assume knowledge of timezones :-)
[17:38:30] <wjp> where exactly?
[17:38:36] * wjp doesn't see any canadian flags on his box
[17:38:38] <Colourless> on the patch page
[17:38:46] <Colourless> they are new
[17:38:53] <Colourless> weren't there yesterday :-)
[17:39:31] <wjp> heh, funny :-)
[17:42:00] <wjp> ok, conveniently the "log in" link changed to a download link now :-)
[17:42:53] <wjp> hey, HotU comes with a manual
[17:43:00] <Colourless> ooh wow
[17:43:05] <wjp> I guess they needed it for the high-level feats/spells, etc...
[17:43:19] <Colourless> actually that would be expected as it's a first edition copy :-)
[17:43:31] <wjp> hm?
[17:43:33] <Colourless> in a few months, it won't come with a manual :-)
[17:43:36] <wjp> ah
[17:43:46] <wjp> did your SoU have a manual?
[17:44:00] <Colourless> i don't have a manual
[17:44:13] <Colourless> pdf versions get installed
[17:44:34] <Colourless> a really crappy pdf for sou :-)
[17:44:58] <wjp> I'll have to check my cd for that later
[17:45:42] <Colourless> check your nwn dir for the docs dir
[17:45:53] <wjp> oh, there it is :-)
[17:46:36] <wjp> hm, quality could be worse
[17:47:17] <Colourless> sure, but it doesn't look like a professional effort :-)
[17:48:25] <wjp> and another 38Mb download
[17:48:41] <Colourless> i would almost say they converted postscript into the pdf, copying all the cropping marks for the printers
[17:48:46] <wjp> it can't be _that_ hard to use some rtpatch-like-thingie for linux as well
[17:49:29] <wjp> yeah, they should've at least cropped it :-)
[17:52:34] <wjp> hm, this expansion is quite large
[17:52:52] <wjp> (counted in Mb, that is)
[17:53:06] <Colourless> how large is 'large'?
[17:53:18] <Colourless> how big are the nwm files?
[17:53:21] <wjp> close to a Gb
[17:53:51] <wjp> 19Mb, 32Mb, 23Mb
[17:54:00] <Colourless> don't you just love it. Buy a game on cd, and you have to install it all to your hd :-)
[17:54:14] <Colourless> 32, that's a bigish module :-)
[17:55:02] <wjp> and the patch increased the size another 100Kb :-)
[17:55:18] <Colourless> from those sizes it should be around the same length as the first three chapters of the original campaign
[17:55:40] <wjp> XP2 chapter 3 is much larger than OC chapter 3, though
[17:55:50] <wjp> (23 vs 15)
[17:56:09] <wjp> my NWN directory is now 3.7Gb
[17:56:42] <Colourless> of course module size doesn't always reflect how big a module is in terms of gameplay
[17:57:14] <Colourless> only 3.7 GB??? Mine already is 4.55 GB and i don't even have the 2nd expansion :-)
[17:57:48] <wjp> I cleaned out my saves after finishing NWN
[17:58:15] <Colourless> my hak dir is a good 750 mb and my modules dir is 305 mb. My saves dir is 646 mb
[17:58:19] <wjp> oooh, new prestige classes :-)
[17:59:05] <wjp> hm, dinner; I'll bbl
[17:59:09] <Colourless> k
[18:24:10] <wjp> back
[18:24:15] <Colourless> wb
[18:26:44] <Knight> hi
[18:40:09] <wjp> Colourless: that other inventory bug you described yesterday is still in there
[18:40:21] <wjp> (i, open chest, escape, i)
[18:40:32] <Colourless> oh no! :-)
[18:41:18] <wjp> might be worth reporting it
[18:41:23] <Colourless> guess i should submit some kind of bug report if I knew where to submit a bug report
[18:41:37] <Colourless> only *might* be worth reporting?
[18:41:42] <Colourless> It's REALLY annoying :-)
[18:41:48] <wjp> well, 'might' depends on if it's been reported already :-)
[18:42:19] <wjp> I could email it to the linux bug reports address
[18:42:37] <Colourless> if you would
[18:42:50] <Colourless> navigating the nwn site is a nightmare for me
[18:43:03] <Colourless> and it obviously effects all versions
[18:45:27] <Colourless> i've no idea why it's so slow, it just is
[18:45:34] * wjp resists the urge to call the inventory the 'inventory gump' :-)
[18:46:02] <Colourless> :-)
[18:46:36] <Colourless> make sure you include a 'sig' at the bottom of your email indicating all the open source projects you're involved with :-)
[18:46:47] <Colourless> you've got to make yourself seem important :-)
[18:46:57] <wjp> hm, I might just do that :-)
[18:49:51] <wjp> mind if I add your system specs too?
[18:50:12] <Colourless> sure go ahead
[18:50:23] <wjp> although, you're not running v1.61, right?
[18:50:35] <Colourless> no, i'm running 1.32
[18:50:35] <wjp> I might leave it at this
[18:51:05] <wjp> or maybe not
[18:51:07] * wjp hmms :-)
[18:51:16] <wjp> I'll add them anyway
[18:51:22] <wjp> now, I just need to remember them :-)
[18:51:36] <wjp> radeon 9800 something?
[18:51:45] <Colourless> That would be Athlon 1000. WinXP SP1. ATI Radeon 9700 Pro with Catalyst 3.9 drivers, 512 MB ram, Sound Blaster Live
[19:01:13] <wjp> alright, sent
[19:01:43] <Colourless> ok :-)
[19:01:48] <wjp> now let's see if this has any effect :-)
[19:02:12] <Colourless> hopefully you should get an email reply
[19:02:24] <wjp> I'll let you know if I do
[19:02:58] <Colourless> care to send me a copy of the email you sent?
[19:03:06] <wjp> oh, forgot to bcc it
[19:03:54] <wjp> SF address ok?
[19:04:00] <Colourless> yep
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