#pentagram@irc.freenode.net logs for 19 Jul 2003 (GMT)

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[11:11:25] <Colourless> hi
[11:16:59] <DarkeZzz> Greetings great dragon.
[11:17:30] <Colourless> omg, it speaks
[11:18:01] <Colourless> i had almost thought you had taken a voe of silence, and couldn't tell anyone you had done it :-)
[11:18:29] <DarkeZzz> ... ... Hey! That's a thought!
[11:19:02] <Colourless> damn you and your logica
[11:19:39] <Colourless> s/logica/logic/
[11:21:07] * Colourless is cursed with poor spelling/typing skills from now for all eternity
[11:21:32] * DarkeZzz muhahahahas!
[11:21:37] --- DarkeZzz is now known as Darke
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[11:30:17] <Cashman> Hi SB-X
[11:30:25] <Cashman> no juke box tonite!
[11:33:55] * Darke imbeds Cashman into Windows Media Player, and turns him into... (wait for it!)... a Cashbox!
[11:34:16] <Cashman> yeah! - good one Darke
[11:35:06] <Cashman> beep bop beep bleep! bip bip - hmm wait its an 8 bit cashbox
[11:35:31] <Cashman> beep beep beep bob bob beep, bip bip bop bop beep beep
[11:35:43] * Cashman ok thats enough hmm grr
[11:35:57] <Darke> Sounds more like a 4bit cashbox. *grin*
[11:36:16] <Cashman> oh my gosh! a Darke for once and not a DarkZzz
[11:37:13] <Cashman> yeah true I surpose a 4 bit, I was thinking of the old 8 bit micro computers with for channels - but yeah they have a little more than beep bop
[11:37:27] <Cashman> oops for should be four! ding!
[11:37:38] <Cashman> ooow thats a different sound, "Ding"
[11:39:47] * Cashman hides before someone e.g. colourless hits him on the ding yeah
[11:39:48] <Cashman> head
[11:40:29] <Colourless> i don't think i want to touch your 'ding'
[11:42:40] <Cashman> oops! your on the marke there colourless I mean 'ding' head.. my head! actually thats more of a bop isn't it
[11:44:12] <Colourless> yeah that's what they all say..... you pervert ;-)
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[11:44:39] <wjp> hi
[11:44:41] <Darke> 'ello.
[11:44:41] <Colourless> :-)
[11:44:42] <Cashman> ahahhaah lol
[11:44:47] <Colourless> hi
[11:45:04] <Cashman> have you had to deal with a fair few sickos in ur time colourless
[11:45:37] <Colourless> ha, a few... darke makes up for all the others on the planet all by himself
[11:45:50] <Colourless> him and his 'toys'
[11:45:52] <Cashman> hahah!
[11:45:58] <Cashman> toys
[11:46:02] <Darke> Oi! I'm innocent! Really I am!
[11:46:02] <Cashman> oh no
[11:46:30] <Colourless> really...
[11:46:38] <Cashman> hehe and I thought this was clean geeks on pentagram
[11:46:51] <Cashman> on irc
[11:46:57] <Colourless> darke: your comments would suggest otherwise
[11:47:44] <Darke> Colourless: *pout* Foiled again!
[11:47:44] <Cashman> I dont bother with toys - waste of space,power etc. - the prices of a pack of batteries * a large number grr
[11:47:51] <Colourless> don't trust the bunny
[11:48:22] <Cashman> the energiser bunny!
[11:48:24] <Colourless> i wouldn't trust me either... being invisible and all
[11:48:48] --- Darke has changed the topic to: http://pentagram.sf.net/ : Don't Trust the Bunny -- Colourless
[11:48:57] <Cashman> the energizer bunny do da do da
[11:49:20] <Cashman> oh and no body trusts cashman so can anyone in this channel be trusted
[11:49:25] <Cashman> hmm wjp.....
[11:49:37] * Darke doesn't trust Colourless. He, however, is *completely* trustable, and innocent, and everything!
[11:49:43] <Colourless> wjp is god
[11:50:10] <Cashman> hmm
[11:50:35] * Cashman is currently reading words backwards
[11:50:43] <Cashman> dog si pjw
[11:50:44] <Cashman> hmm
[11:50:57] <Cashman> woof
[11:51:24] <-- Cashman was kicked from #Pentagram by Colourless (don't insult wjp)
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[11:51:48] <Colourless> hmm, that felt..... good...
[11:51:50] <Cashman> I apologize
[11:52:01] * Cashman bows down to the master
[11:52:34] * Darke snickers.
[11:52:42] * wjp slowly backs out of the channel
[11:52:53] <Cashman> ahahhahah
[11:53:09] <Cashman> ding dong
[11:53:53] <Colourless> Cashman: it amazes me that you really can talk so much, and say nothing at all
[11:54:01] <Colourless> :-)
[11:54:21] <Cashman> thats my nature
[11:54:30] <Darke> wjp: You can stay if you want! We're really not completely nuts! Cashman provides the sanity to compensate for Colourless and I. *grin*
[11:55:19] <Colourless> cashman isn't quite as corrupted as Darke and I, not yet anyway... if he stays around us long enough.....
[11:56:45] <Cashman> I'm just in random mode sometimes, I can wag useful stuff.. ok I have no problem with you guys
[11:57:06] <Colourless> we are programmers!
[11:57:14] <Cashman> I would say that this channel is fairly balanced between everyone who enters
[11:57:16] <Colourless> we are game programmer!
[11:57:43] <Colourless> anyone who wants to work on something like a game engine, automatically must be insane
[11:58:04] <Cashman> yes you are! - and I can understand that you come from possibly a compeletely different prospective, aspect of life!
[11:58:26] <Cashman> actually Cashman is insane as well becasue he's glued to technology and likes designing little electronic circuits
[11:58:31] <Colourless> we spend 'how' much time trying to develop the most perfect engine ever designed, for what? A group of people who don't even like the game we are making the engine for? And not only that... not money either!
[11:58:38] <Cashman> cashman also likes to study 8 bit micro circuits in his spare time
[11:59:14] <Cashman> yeah in otherwords we have no time for woman bla bla bla
[11:59:29] <Colourless> though, it could be worse, we could be working on an engine for ultima 9
[12:00:20] <Cashman> actually I if I am the only person give you guys credit! for what you are working on - it hopefully helps fullfill a future programming/similar engineering career which earns money
[12:00:27] <Darke> Colourless: Heh!
[12:00:30] <Cashman> yeah u9 oh no
[12:01:10] <Cashman> I mean the experience! it counts as practice makes perfect. hmmm
[12:01:11] <Colourless> don't you know, darke and I plan to take over the world using pentagram!
[12:01:50] <Cashman> yeah I heard about that when the thought of pentagram was young
[12:02:08] <Cashman> the real matrix is pentagram
[12:02:22] <Cashman> hehe
[12:02:30] <Colourless> hmm, no
[12:03:09] <Cashman> umm I know no - your just like pinky and the brain
[12:03:24] <Cashman> are we scaring the likes of Willem?
[12:03:53] <Colourless> pentagram is a game engine. it's not attempting to be false reality. i mean, you must be really strange if you thing that 60degree overhead viewpoints = reality
[12:04:57] <Cashman> hehe yeah well if you were born with a mass bump on your head at birth and was glued to pentagram 24/7 you wouldn't know any better. - But whos gonna do that to a child, thats insane
[12:05:39] <Cashman> oh god please I must stop talking crap
[12:07:58] <Colourless> please don't kill yourself, if that is the only way to stop... then again...
[12:09:09] <Cashman> hmm I thought when I first mentioned the matrix movie in this channel sometime ago no one knew what the hell I was on about
[12:09:20] <Cashman> hmm
[12:11:57] <Cashman> just wondering, cashman wants to learn some insane facts - how much socalizing a week do you guys do, family counts!
[12:12:54] <wjp> socializing? what's that? *cough* :-)
[12:13:13] <Cashman> ok thanks I'll write that down
[12:13:50] <Colourless> Cashman: just look at the times that everyone is here and talking
[12:13:58] <Cashman> I can understand that being a good programmer requires most/a lot of your time
[12:14:12] <Cashman> besides the dedicatedness to being insane
[12:14:43] <Cashman> hmm wjp get up talk on pentagram, go you uni come home talk on pentagram go to bed
[12:15:02] <Cashman> hmm the weekend get up stuff,tv, bla bla pentagram pentagram etc. I think I get the idea
[12:15:11] <wjp> I'm not here between getting up and going to the uni
[12:15:27] <wjp> and I actually spent all of yesterday with friends! ;-)
[12:15:32] <Cashman> hmm Darkezzz! pentagram pentagram, hmm must sleep got work but sleep in front of the monitor anyways
[12:15:34] <wjp> (the RL variety :-) )
[12:16:05] <Colourless> darke is more like pentagram, sleep for 7 days, penatagram, sleep for 7 days :-)
[12:16:06] <Cashman> yay! go Willem - the real kind, oh its nice to hear that Willem has real friends!
[12:16:23] <Cashman> hahah
[12:16:24] <Colourless> or that is what his 'status' says :-)
[12:16:27] <Cashman> yeah
[12:16:33] <-- Cashman was kicked from #pentagram by wjp (watch it ;-))
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[12:17:08] <wjp> (of course, 6 hours were spent playing D&D (I'm finally not on fire anymore!))
[12:17:34] <Colourless> ooh, so, how many rounds were you on fire?
[12:17:43] <wjp> about 3 :-)
[12:17:59] <Colourless> as you can see, wjp goes from one geeky activity (programming) to another (playing table top dnd)
[12:18:08] <wjp> floortop, actually :-)
[12:18:12] * Darke is actually more like 3months pentagram/3 months completely distracted by reality, repeat. *grin*
[12:18:22] <wjp> our DM doesn't have a large enough table :-)
[12:18:29] * Cashman wonders if we saw photos of each other if that would destroy everything!
[12:18:34] <Darke> Heh.
[12:18:57] <Cashman> hey darke do you still buy your bosses breakfast?
[12:18:58] <Colourless> ha, wjp has shown the world photos of himself
[12:19:09] <Cashman> or was that lunch or dinner
[12:19:11] <wjp> actually, ACM did that :-)
[12:19:13] <Colourless> darke and i.... are mysteriously anonymous
[12:19:18] <Cashman> ha?
[12:19:25] * Darke shows Cashman a photo of a cute, furry bunny to test if he distroys everything.
[12:19:26] <Cashman> photos
[12:19:40] <Colourless> well you still pointed us to it
[12:19:54] <wjp> I guess I might've :-)
[12:20:16] <Cashman> haha
[12:20:45] <Colourless> c:\outgoing\newme.jpg ... yes that does look like me
[12:21:13] <Cashman> c:\games\duke3d\duke.jpg
[12:21:47] * wjp probes Colourless' machine for the DCOM vulnerability to retrieve that picture
[12:22:36] <Colourless> yeah, well, you wouldn't 'have' to go to such trouble to find it
[12:23:04] <Colourless> obviously file in my outgoing dir probably has been put somewhere, and you do know the filename and extension
[12:25:02] <Cashman> cashman has been referred to as a Network Interface Card as a really lame joke
[12:25:18] <Cashman> as his name is spelt nic for short and not nick
[12:25:51] <Cashman> hmm random again...
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[12:27:44] * Chickens dont like bunnies
[12:28:13] <Colourless> chicken... tastes like chicken!
[12:28:17] * Colourless easts Chickens
[12:28:22] <Colourless> a/easts/eats/
[12:28:50] <wjp> Dragons do like chicken ;-)
[12:28:54] --- Chickens is now known as Cashman
[12:28:56] * Darke is a geek. He bites heads off chickens.
[12:29:04] <wjp> Darke: too late :-)
[12:29:04] <Cashman> few
[12:29:23] <Cashman> "tastes like chicken!" cashman sniggers
[12:30:25] --- Cashman is now known as Agent
[12:30:49] --- Agent is now known as Agents
[12:30:59] * Agents dont like dragons
[12:31:11] <wjp> not liking dragons is bad policy
[12:31:28] <wjp> it generally means said dragons will start to not like you either
[12:31:34] --- Agents is now known as Agent
[12:31:37] <Colourless> start too?
[12:31:43] <wjp> which is bad, for obvious reasons
[12:31:55] <Darke> "... for you a crunchy and taste good with katchup"?
[12:32:10] * Agent is wondering if this has anything to do with the many which he doesnt know
[12:32:25] <Colourless> we are!
[12:32:31] --- Agent is now known as chick
[12:32:40] <Darke> Agent: No, Terry Pratchett, IIRC.
[12:32:50] * chick flic
[12:32:56] <wjp> the many? :-)
[12:33:04] <Darke> wjp: We Are!
[12:33:12] <-- chick was kicked from #Pentagram by Colourless (no chick flics here)
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[12:33:24] <Darke> wjp: Joiiiin Us!
[12:33:24] * wjp really needs to play SS
[12:33:34] <Cashman> hehe hey colourless I liked that kick!
[12:33:37] <Colourless> the many sings to us!
[12:33:38] * wjp reduces the Many to the Few with a big axe
[12:33:50] <Cashman> nice to know no chick flics - boaring and very crappy
[12:34:03] <Colourless> hmm, a shotgun, or an assault rifle is better than an axe wjp
[12:34:21] <Darke> Or The Wrench.
[12:34:26] <Cashman> well cashman has finially split the handle of the block splitter which was fractured
[12:36:02] <Colourless> yes, the wrench.... or the spoon? http://www.users.on.net/triforce/spoon/dump023.jpg
[12:36:21] <Colourless> ok, there is no spoon :-)
[12:37:03] <Darke> Yes, since the host is unknown. *grin*
[12:37:13] <Cashman> Spoon Boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth.
[12:37:13] <Cashman> Neo: What truth?
[12:37:13] <Cashman> Spoon Boy: There is no spoon.
[12:37:13] <Cashman> Neo: There is no spoon?
[12:37:13] <Cashman> Spoon Boy: Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
[12:37:16] * wjp was expecting a 404 on that URL :-)
[12:37:46] <Cashman> no spoon colourless!
[12:38:16] <Colourless> http://www.users.on.net/triforce/spoon/nospoon.jpg http://www.users.on.net/triforce/spoon/spoon.jpg
[12:38:42] <Colourless> spoon.jpg is spoon v1... dump023.jpg is spoon v2!
[12:40:04] <Colourless> just so you know, i made the spoon as a joke in reference to movie that will remain nameless, for a particular individual on the ttlg ss2 forum
[12:41:52] <Cashman> are you sure this line is clean?
[12:42:07] <Cashman> darkes not doing the dodgy is he?
[12:42:27] <Cashman> hmm from the above I dont think this line is clean
[12:43:43] <Colourless> to use it download http://www.users.on.net/triforce/spoon/spoon.zip install the ss2 patch (if you haven't). extract the zip. rename spoon.bin and spoon.cal to wrench_.*
[12:44:03] <Colourless> Then add the files to patch\mesh.crf (which is a zip file)
[12:44:47] <Colourless> if you want the v2 texture, download http://www.users.on.net/triforce/spoon/spoon.gif and use that instead of the one from spoon.zip
[12:44:57] <Colourless> the wrench will now be the spoon
[12:45:43] <Colourless> ok, so that is totally useless, but before the was no spoon... but now there can be
[12:46:15] <Darke> Heh.
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[12:46:56] <Colourless> eh. that should have been wrench_h.*
[12:47:15] <Cashman> hehe
[12:49:15] <Cashman> {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang5129{\fonttbl{\f0\froman\fcharset0 Times New Roman;}}
[12:49:22] <Cashman> \viewkind4\uc1\pard\sb100\sa100\b\f0\fs24 Cypher: \b0 Hear what?
[12:49:22] <Cashman> \par \b Trinity: \b0 Are you sure this line is clean?
[12:49:22] <Cashman> \par \b Cypher: \b0 Yeah, of course I'm sure.
[12:49:22] <Cashman> \par \b Trinity: \b0 I better go.
[12:49:22] <Cashman> \par }
[12:49:32] <Colourless> why?
[12:49:55] <Cashman> sorry that wasnt ment to be there!
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[12:51:40] <Cashman> buck up bunny because the rabbit hole is going bye bye!
[12:51:42] * Darke hmms... takes quite a long time for X to shutdown (when you accidentally close it), when you've had one instantiation running for over a month...
[12:51:58] <Cashman> in 24 hrs I've decided there wont be no more rabbit hole!
[12:52:20] <Darke> Umm... ok. If you insist.
[12:52:46] <Cashman> no just disspears for a temp fix
[12:53:12] <Cashman> hmm anything interesting in the news from aus/netherlands?
[12:53:39] <Darke> So you're patching the rabbit hole for the latest CISCO IOS fix? *blink*
[12:53:45] <Cashman> some guy hijacked a bus in town here and made the driver run heaps of red lights before a swat team stopped the bus
[12:53:49] <Colourless> from au: our government is stupid?
[12:54:03] <Colourless> but that's not exactly new news
[12:54:12] <Cashman> yeah a CISCO fix!
[12:54:46] <Darke> Colourless: Not even news unfortunately. When it's SOP, it doesn't seem to rate. However if a kitten's rescued from a tree by a fireman, *there's* news!
[12:54:50] <Cashman> yeah its a serious fixed which I've decided is almost the right time to go ahead with
[12:54:56] <Cashman> I've had to plan ahead!
[12:55:14] <Cashman> really!
[12:55:41] * Colourless cutting through the crap... delivering news that really matters
[12:56:14] <Cashman> ding dong and now time for the colourless news
[12:56:35] <Darke> Next on CNNNN...
[12:57:39] <Colourless> :-)
[12:57:45] <Colourless> with an extra N!
[12:57:51] <Cashman> Cisco’s CDN Approach
[12:57:52] <Cashman> sidebar to "Will Content Delivery Networks Lead Enterprises Down A Rabbit Hole?" from the October 2000 issue of Business Communications Review, pp. 16–19
[12:58:05] <Cashman> well thats old
[12:58:38] <Cashman> pulled an Apollo 13-style rabbit out of ... dark, be patient and work toward a fix
[12:58:45] <Darke> Colourless: So it's now "Colourless Nightly News Network N N"? *grin*
[12:58:50] <Cashman> hehe thats ripped from google!
[12:58:52] <Cashman> "pulled an Apollo 13-style rabbit out of ... dark, be patient and work toward a fix"
[12:59:04] <Cashman> yeah darke fix it!
[12:59:19] <Colourless> :-)
[12:59:26] * Darke lights up Cashman's life... by setting him on fire.
[12:59:34] <Colourless> well, CNN and CNNNN already exist
[12:59:40] <Cashman> hahahahh you really did set me on fire!
[12:59:55] <Colourless> fire! that's my job Darke
[12:59:59] * Colourless is sad
[13:00:06] <Cashman> cashman enters the construct (clean slate) to be set on fire professionally
[13:00:16] <Darke> Colourless: Oops! Sorry! You can continue to enflame him if you wish!
[13:00:28] <Cashman> yeah but from the construct
[13:00:32] <Cashman> fire simulation
[13:00:58] <Colourless> Darke: you can continue, you were doing such a good job
[13:01:25] <Darke> Colourless: I'm afraid I must defer to your expertise.
[13:01:55] <Colourless> Burn!
[13:02:03] * Colourless breaths fire onto Darke
[13:02:09] <Colourless> oops, sorry about that
[13:02:16] <Colourless> i think i should stop now
[13:02:37] * Darke yelps! and dives into the nearest barrel of water!
[13:02:46] <Cashman> hmm colourless has brown hair
[13:03:04] <Colourless> colourless does not have brown hair
[13:03:14] <Cashman> hehe
[13:03:43] <Cashman> colourless has a few freckles
[13:04:29] <Colourless> everyone has a few freckles
[13:06:16] <Cashman> http://www.lamitech.com.au/product_pictures_domestic.html picture of Willems kitchen!
[13:06:56] * Colourless chooses not to click
[13:06:57] <Cashman> ... [19:28:00] <wjp> I wish I knew [19:28:22] <wjp> and I don't really want to implement
[13:06:58] <Cashman> the initial savegame stuff without having the full picture [19:28:25] <wjp ...
[13:07:11] <Cashman> "picture" key word
[13:08:08] <Cashman> www.furcadia.com colourlesses homeworld!
[13:09:28] <Colourless> !!!
[13:09:38] <Colourless> furcadia.... i don't think so
[13:09:47] * Darke snickers.
[13:11:17] <Colourless> it's not so much that i think that furcadia is just the ultimate in strange.... hang on, i actually do
[13:11:46] <Colourless> that stuff just boggles my mind
[13:12:28] * Cashman jacks out
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[13:13:14] <joint> is this that evil irc channel where we talk about satin?
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[13:13:34] --- joint is now known as CashZzz
[13:13:50] <Colourless> satin.... hmm, no
[13:13:55] <Darke> Aww... it's not that bad. It's just a graphical mud, populated by weirdos. *grin*
[13:14:07] <CashZzz> hehe
[13:14:15] <Colourless> satan on the other hand
[13:14:15] * CashZzz goes to play pentagram
[13:14:18] <Colourless> still no
[13:14:44] <-- CashZzz has left IRC (Client Quit)
[13:15:01] * Darke wandered onto Furcadia a time or two, no one he encountered was weirder then he was, so he was happy. *grin*
[13:16:14] <Colourless> yeah, well, that's not saying much is it
[13:17:12] * Darke gets the feeling he should be indignant or something at that comment. *grin*
[13:18:12] * Colourless only insults the creatures he likes
[13:27:36] <wjp> you eat the rest? ;-)
[13:28:22] <Colourless> ooh
[13:28:35] * Darke snickers.
[15:15:08] * Colourless coughs
[15:15:58] <Darke> Shhhhh!
[15:21:18] <wjp> not so loud! people are trying to.. uhh...
[15:21:24] <wjp> what _are_ people trying to do here anyway?
[15:21:53] <Colourless> i'm too busy to answer your questions..
[15:22:26] <wjp> that's ok; I'm too busy to ask any :-)
[15:22:32] <Darke> wjp: Umm... I dunno.
[15:23:22] * Darke is trying-to-be-awake-but-trying-to-be-asleep. It's an insomnia thing. *grin*
[15:23:26] <Colourless> Darke! Get back to work on pentagram, since you aren't doing anything
[15:27:39] <Darke> No can do! I've got to... umm... err.... do something else! Yeah!
[15:28:11] <Colourless> i see
[15:28:28] <Colourless> your argument isn't very convincing
[15:38:09] <Darke> Really! The... err... other stuff I'm doing is very important! Incredibly important! So important that I... err... can't tell it to you becuase of... err... National Security! That's it!
[15:39:56] <Colourless> you are spying on me aren't you!
[15:40:45] <Colourless> fascist!
[15:41:37] <Darke> Oh no! Certainly not! I'm definately not *spying* on you!
[15:43:20] * Colourless points to topic
[15:46:35] <Darke> You see, they *think* you're out of your mind. 100% bonkers. *Completely* nuts. Now they could, if they felt like it, set trails on you, study your habbits, analyse your patterns over a few weeks/months/years to determine if you are, or they could be lazy and just make sure you're driven *completely* insane. And that's where I come in. *grin*
[15:48:23] <Colourless> them hey
[15:48:37] <Colourless> they are trouble
[15:52:53] * Darke must say that he *does* enjoy his work. *grin*
[16:16:46] <wjp> bbl, dinner
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[16:36:43] <wjp> back
[16:36:45] <wjp> hi Fingolfin
[16:37:59] <Fingolfin> hi
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[17:08:29] <Colourless> i'm an idiot. I read a report saying that dialing into my isp on the number that i use was going to be unavailable from 2am to 3am... and of course an alternative number was listed... did i write this number down so when the outage occured i could use it? Oh no, of course not :-)
[17:10:40] <wjp> oops :-)
[17:25:40] <Fingolfin> Colourless: well why would you... after all you can find it on the net, so just connect and... oooh wait!
[17:26:00] <Fingolfin> situation sounds kinda familiar =)
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