#pentagram@irc.freenode.net logs for 1 Jul 2003 (GMT)

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[11:00:25] <Cashman> hi
[11:01:12] * Cashman was reading the first few chapters of the lost vale for the first time
[11:01:30] <Cashman> well the sci fi creation as the origional was never created
[11:01:59] <Cashman> the guy who created that what could have been did a good job, but it didn't involve the avatar at all
[11:02:19] <Cashman> because it was after he left pagan - not what origin had intended for the lost vale
[11:02:26] <Cashman> anyone here read it?
[11:23:10] * SB-X is back (gone 00:52:37)
[11:33:57] <Cashman> hey sb-x
[11:37:35] <SB-X> hello Cashman
[11:38:49] * Cashman is kinda on holiday now yay
[11:39:36] <SB-X> what are you going to do?
[11:40:51] <Cashman> not much - I plan to work on some design stuff (hoby)
[11:41:08] <Cashman> umm and I still work part time - I'm a student
[11:41:16] <SB-X> who is Hoby?
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[11:41:24] <Cashman> 2 week break from uni
[11:41:44] <Colourless> hi
[11:41:53] <SB-X> hello
[11:41:55] <Cashman> hobbie stuff - hardware design (electronics)
[11:42:07] <wjp|busy> hi
[11:42:13] <wjp|busy> Cashman: sci fi?
[11:44:16] <Cashman> thats a type - it sound be fan fi
[11:44:17] <Cashman> fan fiction
[11:44:31] <Cashman> type hehe typo
[11:46:07] <wjp|busy> hm, I seem to remember part of that
[11:46:09] <wjp|busy> long time ago, though
[11:47:06] <Cashman> ok
[11:47:47] <wjp|busy> did he ever finish writing it?
[11:49:24] <Cashman> no! i got up to like chp 15 and was asking for people to submit ideas
[11:49:53] <Cashman> its big though - its a great story up to that point (my point)
[11:50:24] <Colourless> you me 'he got up to' not 'i got up to'
[11:50:30] <Colourless> s/me/mean/
[11:50:46] <wjp|busy> what's the URL?
[11:51:07] <Cashman> hahah oops I need sleep
[11:51:19] <Cashman> thanks for that colourless
[11:51:37] <Cashman> easy to find on google
[11:53:46] <Cashman> golley I appear to be Dyslectic tonite
[11:58:27] <Cashman> http://www.shiftedphase.com/~dino/ultima/uinfo/u8/u8tlv.php
[11:58:35] <Cashman> there you go wjp
[12:00:17] <wjp|busy> thanks
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[13:59:07] <wjp|busy> Colourless: I'm not really sure I want to use FLG_DISPOSABLE for EXT_NOTINMAP afterall
[13:59:21] <wjp|busy> it would mean all NPCs will get labelled FLG_DISPOSABLE
[13:59:29] <wjp|busy> which somehow sounds wrong :-0
[13:59:33] <wjp|busy> s/0/)/
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[14:16:51] <Colourless> hmm... i see
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[15:05:41] <wjp> back :-)
[15:08:29] <Colourless> wb
[15:20:27] <wjp> hm... I don't handle DISPOSABLE items at all, currently
[15:20:36] <wjp> delete them on map change, I guess?
[15:24:44] <Colourless> yes
[15:25:02] <Colourless> here, i had already changed EXT_NOTINMAP into FLG_DISPOSABLE
[15:25:23] <wjp> EXT_NOTINMAP shouldn't delete items
[15:25:54] <Colourless> what should it do then?
[15:26:34] <wjp> ignore them
[15:26:56] <wjp> it's for things like NPCs that are stored elsewhere
[15:27:44] <wjp> (but are still in the CurrentMap item lists)
[15:27:44] <Colourless> i see
[15:27:48] <wjp> I seem to have had a temporary memory lapse about that yesterday :/
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[16:37:11] <wjp> bbl, dinner
[16:37:19] <Colourless> k
[17:02:06] <wjp> back
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[17:53:46] <wjp> any objections to moving the main Object* array to a new ObjectManager class?
[17:57:42] * wjp hits self... saving to "quicksave" and loading from "quickload" isn't going to work well :-)
[18:14:22] <Colourless> no objections. it would make more sense than in Kernel
[18:16:13] * wjp kicks random pieces of code
[18:17:30] <wjp> for some weird reason it's refusing to read any meaningful data from the savegame :-)
[18:19:33] <wjp> ah, it's triggering an eof somewhere
[18:30:32] <wjp> ok... seems to be loading "properly" now (as far as possible :-) )
[18:49:27] <wjp> of course nothing is working since gamemapgump and desktopgump are gone :-)
[19:03:31] * DarkeZzz yays! Saving/loading!
[19:04:50] <wjp> will take at least several more days before it's working :-)
[19:06:02] <DarkeZzz> Cool. Doesn't worry me since it'll be several more days before I even get a chance to touch pentagram again. Got a couple of selection criteria to write up by friday for jobs I'm going for. *sigh*
[19:16:40] <Colourless> i'm going
[19:16:42] <Colourless> cya
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[19:28:08] * wjp refactors objects out of the Kernel
[19:28:10] * wjp sighs
[19:28:18] <wjp> this is going to be an interesting commit :-)
[19:45:49] <wjp> *phew*... things compile again :-)
[19:51:20] <DarkeZzz> Always a good sign. *grin*
[22:01:00] <wjp> I give up... things occasionally work, but loading twice in a row always crashes
[22:01:14] <wjp> not saving enough yet, I guess :-)
[22:14:00] <wjp> wow
[22:14:02] <wjp> it works
[22:14:30] <wjp> (it = saving/loading objects and basic gumps)
[22:15:35] <wjp> amount of valgrind errors is relatively small too :-)
[22:16:11] * wjp should've been in bed ages ago...
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