#pentagram@irc.freenode.net logs for 20 Jun 2004 (GMT)

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[00:01:29] <edbgon> they are my heroes
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[04:16:13] <watt> cool.. got the Doom collection (1 (ultimate), 2, and final) for $10 US at Walmart.
[04:18:39] <sbx> i have final and 2
[04:19:00] <sbx> you like Doom?
[04:19:12] <watt> I only needed ultimate.. but I figure having all on one disk would be cool
[04:19:44] <sbx> one disc?
[04:19:46] <sbx> yeah thats cool
[04:19:52] <watt> I'm also wanting to know if they included anything new.
[04:19:58] <sbx> did they?
[04:20:05] <sbx> I guess you havnt checked
[04:20:07] <watt> don't know...
[04:20:10] <watt> checking
[04:21:20] <watt> doom95 launcher for all 3....
[04:21:33] <watt> nothing spectacular.
[04:21:42] <watt> nothing not windows either
[04:22:01] <sbx> final has the launcher
[04:22:19] <sbx> it doesnt have the dos versions?
[04:22:35] <sbx> because nobody has dos anymore :)
[04:22:39] <watt> pdf manuals too.
[04:22:49] <watt> dos versions are still here
[04:22:51] <sbx> hmm
[04:22:56] <sbx> mine doesnt have any manuals
[04:23:06] <sbx> I didnt know Doom had manuals
[04:23:21] <sbx> except the F1 help
[04:23:43] <watt> actually.. I take it back.. dos version is gone
[04:24:48] <watt> well, I'll check out the contents next time I boot windows.
[04:26:03] <watt> source doesn't appear to be on the cd :-( unless its archived
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[04:30:13] <watt> also a demo cd for D3
[04:31:08] <watt> and I won't own a computer capable of D3 until 2006 probably :-)
[04:31:25] <sbx> oh wow this is a recent release?
[04:31:33] <sbx> playable demo?
[04:32:08] <watt> copyright 2003
[04:32:51] <watt> its got a exe... but I think that just launches a few swf's
[04:33:40] <watt> 6 meg... hmm no, couldn't be
[04:34:26] <watt> has a few desktop backgrounds too
[04:35:46] <watt> guess I should check on the current progress of doomlegacy.
[04:39:50] <watt> The Legacy team's attempting to recode the entire game in C++..
[04:40:24] <sbx> whats the purpose in that?
[04:40:36] <watt> not sure if it's really going to help them do much, but I'm interesting in seeing what happens.
[04:41:08] <watt> either way, I still convinced that legacy is the best doom port out there.
[04:41:27] <sbx> the only one I played was doom95 and ZDoom
[04:42:07] <watt> http://legacy.newdoom.com/shots.php?i=1
[04:44:39] <watt> well, guess the links to the fullscreen versions aren't working
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[05:55:12] <Intuition> darke u here?
[05:56:10] <Intuition> ne1 here?
[05:57:00] <sbx> yeah
[05:57:13] <Intuition> hi
[05:57:19] <sbx> hi
[05:59:28] <Intuition> u play ultima 8?
[06:00:03] <sbx> no
[06:00:12] <Intuition> hehe
[06:00:39] <Intuition> i need to see darke
[06:01:09] <sbx> he's not going to add a new cheat
[06:01:40] <Intuition> what cheat
[06:02:07] <sbx> spawn any item
[06:02:16] <Intuition> hehe
[06:02:21] <Intuition> y not
[06:02:31] <Intuition> he said he'd look into it
[06:02:40] <sbx> that's not how I read it
[06:02:45] <sbx> he has better things to do
[06:03:14] <Intuition> yes but i asked him nicely and he didnt decline
[06:03:40] <sbx> don't you know what Pentagram is?
[06:03:48] <sbx> it's not even playable enough to need that cheat
[06:03:56] <Intuition> yes i do
[06:04:17] <Intuition> its to get u8 to work in xp.2k
[06:04:34] <Intuition> i wonder how far from finished it is
[06:04:41] <sbx> many of the devs dont even use XP
[06:04:53] <sbx> but I think he said to read the docs
[06:04:57] <sbx> it might already have the cheat
[06:05:13] <Intuition> well it works for me
[06:05:39] <Intuition> i know how to spawn any item i like but i want a menu to do it for me easily
[06:07:06] <Intuition> so u say u8 isnt very playable with pentagram?
[06:07:12] <sbx> i dunno
[06:07:15] <sbx> probably not
[06:08:49] <Intuition> what r u here for if not u8?
[06:09:46] <sbx> exultbot's wit
[06:10:02] <Intuition> hehe ok
[06:10:02] <sbx> and i really like TGWDS
[06:10:22] <Intuition> whats that
[06:10:26] <sbx> RTFF
[06:11:01] <Intuition> I.D.O.N.T.K.N.O.W
[06:11:13] <Intuition> hehe
[06:11:25] <sbx> http://fallofrome.dyndns.org:8080/web/faq.php
[06:11:54] <Intuition> just tell me what it is
[06:12:31] <sbx> the games we dont support
[06:13:11] <Intuition> so TGWDS doesnt stand for something
[06:13:41] <Intuition> like Turds Gays Wankers...
[06:14:38] <sbx> sure if you like that meaning
[06:14:55] <sbx> but thats not what it means I just told you
[06:15:58] <Intuition> where did u tell me what it means?
[06:16:16] <sbx> when you asked me too
[06:16:29] <Intuition> lol
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[06:17:21] <Intuition> let me ask it this way then : what do the Letters in the cryptic text u gave me eg. TGWDS stand for
[06:17:58] <Intuition> oh and RTFF too
[06:18:22] <sbx> read the fine faq
[06:18:34] <Intuition> it cant be Rich Text Format bcz its 2 short so i dunno what it means
[06:19:07] <Intuition> y do i haveto read paragraphs if u could blouch out a few words
[06:19:38] <sbx> you dont, I told you what it meant
[06:20:31] <Intuition> lets say i have amnesia, so tell me again
[06:20:59] <sbx> ?logs
[06:20:59] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/pentagramlog.php
[06:22:06] <Intuition> forget it
[06:22:11] <sbx> i did
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[06:22:25] <Intuition> good
[06:22:30] <Intuition> hehe
[06:30:15] <Intuition> how can u say u really like TGWDS?
[06:31:28] <sbx> what?
[06:31:36] <sbx> with the keyboad
[06:31:42] <sbx> thats how I said it
[06:32:16] <Intuition> lol
[06:32:16] <Intuition> cut the crap
[06:32:38] <Intuition> how can u say u really like the games u dont support
[06:33:03] <sbx> because I do?
[06:33:12] <Intuition> makes no sense, or it means u hate to give suopport?
[06:33:32] <sbx> its not me
[06:33:38] <sbx> its the pentagram team doesnt support them
[06:34:19] <Intuition> but u said "and i really like..."
[06:34:33] <sbx> i like the games they dont support
[06:35:06] <Intuition> so whats wrong with the games they do support?
[06:35:20] <sbx> i just got bored with it
[06:35:26] <sbx> ill play it some time
[06:36:00] <Intuition> what, u8?
[06:36:16] <sbx> yeah
[06:36:27] <Intuition> do u have it?
[06:36:59] <Intuition> im looking for the ISO
[06:37:44] <sbx> you can't deal in warez here
[06:38:33] <Intuition> so u dont have the ISO
[06:39:02] <sbx> no
[06:39:15] <Intuition> aww hehe
[06:39:38] <Intuition> id call it abandonware not warez
[06:39:49] <watt> do you two need to spend some time out in separate corners? :-)
[06:40:04] <Intuition> hehehe
[06:40:24] <Intuition> not unless ur gonna make me hehe
[06:40:24] <sbx> I feel trapped in an infinite loop
[06:40:52] <watt> ehem! Don't temp a guy with a +o
[06:41:04] <Intuition> watt, do u have u8 ISO for me?
[06:41:14] <sbx> heh
[06:41:47] <Intuition> hehe
[06:41:52] <watt> no.. U8 isn't abandonware or freeware
[06:42:17] <Intuition> its 94 or 96 thats old enough to be hehe
[06:42:40] <watt> I would go so far as to say that abandonware is a term that attempts to justify piracy.
[06:43:07] <Intuition> maby
[06:43:25] <sbx> Intuition: what country are you from?
[06:43:41] <Intuition> but i dont see any pice of software being worth something unless ur gonna use it for a business
[06:43:45] <watt> and a team receating a game can't be involved in piracy if they wish to not stir up legal battles
[06:44:45] <watt> Point being.. we really don't want to piss off EA or alienate any former members of Origin
[06:44:54] <Intuition> software just isnt worth the price u pay for it unless ur on the programmers side
[06:44:58] <Intuition> wich im not
[06:45:32] <Intuition> my discussion isnt with them
[06:45:53] <Intuition> anyways thats for ur time guys
[06:46:14] <Intuition> i need to go, im on 56k (modem)
[06:46:39] <Intuition> i mean thanks for ur time
[06:46:47] <sbx> your welcome!
[06:46:50] <Intuition> cheerz
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[06:48:13] <watt> hmm.. funny that I wouldn't be on the Programmer's Side (tm) considering I'm a programmer.
[06:48:37] <sbx> and you have access to the Programmer's Playground
[06:51:33] <watt> Where do all these guys come from anyways... think it's time to make something dangerously clear in the FAQ.
[07:01:44] <watt> also kinda funny that the price for something like u8 (bundled with all the other ultimas) can be found for less than $20 US.
[07:02:02] <watt> but somehow not worth it????
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[07:39:39] <sbx> cya
[07:39:43] <watt> bye
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[08:08:26] <watt> okie.. I need some proof reading and possibly modification on what I added to the faq.
[08:08:53] <watt> hope I covered most of the bases on it
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[18:54:20] <Dominus> hi
[18:55:00] <wjp> hi
[18:55:10] <Dominus> watt: you are an op, you don't have to put up with stuff like that earlier...
[18:55:30] <Dominus> (whenever you read the log..)
[18:57:28] <Dominus> I know I would have used op-power
[18:58:17] <Dominus> wjp: what about adding the gamespot interview to our links?
[18:59:00] <Dominus> also what address do we want to give people for contacting us?
[18:59:32] <Dominus> would it be wise or useful to have a pentagram-general address?
[19:24:38] <wjp> there's always the devel list
[19:27:57] <Dominus> I thought maybe we wanted one list for real development and one for general stuff but I don't care much what we do, we just should have one address on the webpage
[19:28:41] <wjp> with the current level of activity, one ML is more than enough :-)
[19:28:56] <Dominus> that is so true...
[19:49:03] <Dominus> http://eastore.ea.com/jump.jsp?itemType=PRODUCT&itemID=966 you can get Ultima Online + U9 for 19 $
[19:49:15] <Dominus> $ 19.95
[19:50:39] <Dominus> have to add that I saw UO for over 50 Euros the other day...
[20:48:05] <wjp> yay, finished BG2 again :-)
[20:58:35] <Dominus> :-)
[21:07:56] <sbx|afk> congrats
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