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[00:11:00] <Colourless> seeing the comment in the logs about info and man i have to ask, why is there both?
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[08:36:34] <IsDarkeReally> man pages as well as info pages is for hysterial raisins. The GNU folk went all 'info' pagey because it's a technically superior solution as it has hyperlinks and lots of fun stuff in it. However man pages are much more conveninent just to quickly look up. So what the GNU utilities tend to do is put the frequently referenced stuff in the man pages, and put all the gorey detail and lesser used options in the info pages if there's "too much" to fi
[08:36:34] <IsDarkeReally> t into a simple man page.
[08:37:30] <wjp> it's always those insidious raisins :-)
[08:37:38] <wjp> hi Darke
[08:41:35] <IsDarkeReally> Greetings. *bow*
[08:41:38] <IsDarkeReally> Yeah. *grin*
[08:42:19] <IsDarkeReally> No different to people providing a flat ascii 'readme.txt' then providing a html 'readme.html'. One's more convinent then the other in different circumstances.
[08:43:21] <IsDarkeReally> Or what I've started seeing quite a few projects doing, putting the help, etc docs online via wiki, and their docs folder is just a flat-html siterip of their documentation wiki. *grin*
[08:44:25] <wjp> Interesting strategy... It allows projects to say "fix it yourself" not only to bug reports, but also reports of insufficient documentation :-)
[08:47:52] <IsDarkeReally> Yup! *grin* What one wiki really needs to add is a bi-directional import-export link to the various java-doc/cpp-doc/etc engines. So someone can easily proof and put the changes back into the code documentation every now and again.
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[09:06:57] <merethan> Where is this channel about?
[09:09:45] <wjp> http://pentagram.sf.net/
[09:11:46] <merethan> lookslike Diablo
[09:12:00] <merethan> I expected something that had anything to do with Witchcraft :P
[09:25:42] <IsDarkeReally> We've got a surprisingly low incidence of that. You're only the second, or maybe third person who's come on here expecting witchcraft in the last 3(?) years we've been here. *grin*
[09:31:29] <merethan> The Pentagram is for witches the symbol of Spirit, Air, Fire, Water and Earth. But you most likely already knew this :)
[09:32:02] <merethan> Why did you guy's / girls choose this name for a Diablo-like game?
[09:35:09] <wjp> We're not writing a game as such, but rather a re-implementation of an existing game (Ultima 8) that also runs on Linux and other operating systems
[09:35:24] <merethan> aha
[09:35:26] <IsDarkeReally> The original Ultima8 had a flaming pentagram on the cover with a hand reaching out of it. The developer's quotes also had a quote from someone noting the fact they were releasing a game with a flaming pentagram on the cover right before christmas and this wouldn't go down well with some people. *grin*
[09:35:28] <wjp> Ultima 8 came with a big pentagram as (part of) its box art
[09:35:46] <merethan> cool
[09:36:43] <merethan> Like you should care about what others think
[09:36:54] <merethan> they did still release it I hope?
[09:37:07] <IsDarkeReally> Yup. *grin*
[09:37:35] * IsDarkeReally actually has an original box set of it with that cover floating around at his parent's house, somewhere.
[09:39:16] <merethan> I absolutely don't care what that pope dude and it's fellows say or think
[09:40:21] <merethan> luckily for me they don't make the rules anymore, like a few centuries ago.
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[10:24:52] <Colourless> "However man pages are much more conveninent just to quickly look up"... i wouldn't consider most main pages that 'conveninent' to look up information in... information overload in many of them and unless you sort of know what you want, finding it can be impossible... of course if that is true of man pages and they are more 'conveninent' then i don't ever want to have to look up stuff in info...
[10:26:07] <wjp> well, they're useful to 'quickly look up' things you already basically know
[10:26:48] <wjp> I mainly use them for checking the exact syntax of some option
[10:28:03] <Colourless> yah...
[10:28:33] <Colourless> also nice when the program gives you nice general info about the syntax when doing a --?
[10:29:50] <Colourless> linux is nice like that... but the bsd utils in OSX don't tell you anything useful when you do a --?
[10:30:41] <Colourless> transparent terminal window is useful for something at least. Having the man page being shown in a terminal session below while doing something
[10:34:05] <merethan> few weeks ago I tied FreeBSD on my old computer
[10:34:15] <merethan> I wanted to use it as a streaming server
[10:34:27] <merethan> It even doesn't support my networkcard
[10:35:25] <merethan> Then I found the floppy that came with the network card, and it contained a fbsd driver.. compiled it in, no gcc errors. still no go
[10:35:56] <merethan> and it has very few config options compared to the Linxu kernel.
[10:36:02] <merethan> *Linux
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