#pentagram@irc.freenode.net logs for 21 May 2004 (GMT)

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[00:07:12] <watt> That's interesting.. just found a resume for "Steve Powers" through google.. he uses Richard Garriot as a reference and added his pseudonym as and aka.
[00:07:57] <watt> Guess he worked on U8 and Serpent Isle.
[00:09:14] <wjp> "pseudonym as and aka" ?
[00:09:25] <wjp> btw, http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,5721/
[00:10:20] <watt> s/and/an/
[00:10:54] <watt> "Richard Garriot, aka Lord British, (512) 434-4263"
[00:11:34] <watt> I see.. on more than one site.
[00:12:11] <wjp> hm, he could've at least written his name correctly :-)
[00:12:38] <wjp> (double t at the end)
[00:13:34] <watt> ah.. yes, I see... and since this is a resume... ummm
[00:14:38] <watt> anyway.. going to be playing with some old U8 box images for yet another site mockup
[00:15:39] <wjp> as in "pentagram site mockup"? hm, a pentagram dev actively working on our website could set a very dangerous precedent :-)
[00:17:02] <watt> umm.. yeah..I think at least a sidebar image or something might help something or another...
[00:23:05] <wjp> time for me to go; bye
[00:34:39] <watt> bye
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[02:24:50] <servus_> I already made a Pentagram site! If you didn't like it, you should simply say so.
[02:25:14] <watt> I liked it. Just need more options.
[02:25:33] <servus_> It was a rough cut, as in "is this what you are looking for?"
[02:25:37] <watt> and I wanted to play with gimp some more.
[02:25:55] <servus_> Fine. I'll delete everything I made for it. *Shrug*
[02:26:05] <watt> Chill. got this made if you're interested
[02:26:07] <watt> http://fallofrome.dyndns.org:8080/pent_test2.jpg
[02:27:55] <watt> could i get that addy again for the your mock up?
[02:28:49] <servus_> Nope. It's gone.
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[05:32:27] <watt> well, here's a start to a mockup I guess. http://fallofrome.dyndns.org:8080/pent.html
[05:32:38] <watt> I need sleep.. night everyone.
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[13:15:11] <ElleVeeDee> bananas!
[13:15:18] <wjp> apples!
[13:15:48] <ElleVeeDee> fruitsalad...
[13:17:35] <ElleVeeDee> yummy, eh?
[13:18:18] <wjp> I implemented skf playing in pentagram last week, btw
[13:18:36] <wjp> don't know if you already figured out at which point to start the various fades
[13:19:28] <ElleVeeDee> oh, cool. no, no I haven't. i just "extracted" the basic movie, or however you wanna call it.
[13:21:12] <ElleVeeDee> you know, image image image palette image image image image. I do little else.
[13:21:49] <wjp> the first object in the .skf contains special 'events'
[13:22:06] <wjp> these include fade-to-black, fade-to-white, fade-in, pause
[13:22:31] <ElleVeeDee> yeah, thats the object I skip. ;-) So, have you figured them all out?
[13:23:13] <wjp> most of them
[13:23:40] <wjp> there's one which we're guessing means 'set speed', but I haven't really looked at that yet
[13:23:54] <wjp> and I'm ignoring the SFX/voice related ones
[13:24:06] <wjp> (basically because pentagram doesn't have any SFX code yet)
[13:24:20] <ElleVeeDee> yes, i changed the speed of the AVI I created in certain places, otherwise the movie looked just weird.
[13:24:44] <ElleVeeDee> Im sure youll figure everything out soon enough.
[13:24:57] <ElleVeeDee> since my project isnt a real project like yours, I tend to give up easily.
[13:25:16] <ElleVeeDee> for instance, I gave up on U7/SI full maps... just used Exult instead.
[13:25:25] <ElleVeeDee> thanks for that, btw. ;-)
[13:25:46] <wjp> np :-)
[13:26:14] <ElleVeeDee> there wouldnt be a similar, already existing, map/glob-extractor for U8 in pent?
[13:26:32] <wjp> hm, no
[13:26:55] <wjp> might be somewhat tricky
[13:27:26] <ElleVeeDee> i know you had some stuff in the "old" folder, but I just couldnt get it to compile, my pc crashed twice or so, and... again, I gave up.
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[13:36:25] <wjp> hi
[13:36:30] <Colourless> hi
[13:36:48] <ElleVeeDee> cherries!
[13:41:02] <Colourless> you are really strange
[13:41:19] <ElleVeeDee> uhm, yes, yes I am.
[13:55:36] * Darke gives ElleVeeDee icecream to go with his cherries.
[13:59:01] <ElleVeeDee> ah, merci.
[14:04:43] * Darke adds a banana and chocolate syrup to achieve banana split critical mass.
[14:07:03] * ElleVeeDee starts to realize that Colourless was talking to Darke...
[14:09:09] <Colourless> ElleVeeDee beleive whatever you want
[14:09:13] * Darke quickly ducks behind a blast shield with built-in observation port, and eagerly waits to see the result of a banana split, and what mysterious rays (b-rays? bananions?) will be emitted from such a scienfically historical event.
[14:10:01] * wjp watches the blast bounce off the wall bypassing Darke's blast shield
[14:11:07] * ElleVeeDee paints a smiley on the wall, using his cherries.
[14:11:14] * Darke eeps! and quickly catches the blast in a glass blast bottle, and pops it up on a shelf for future scientific studies.
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[15:03:06] <watt> cherries and banana blasts! What fun! Hey everyone.
[15:03:42] <wjp> hi watt
[15:04:24] <Colourless> a 'nuclear' explosion involving bananas... can you possibly think of something worse!
[15:05:00] <ElleVeeDee> fried liver...?
[15:05:44] <Colourless> that was NOT a question!
[15:06:06] <ElleVeeDee> i know... i was just offering my services as a chef. or some such.
[15:06:32] <Colourless> your services were not requested
[15:06:43] <Colourless> you tread a fine line mister!
[15:07:03] <ElleVeeDee> yes, its quite tricky.
[15:07:49] <Colourless> one minute you are talking about fruit, next minute you fid yourself kicked
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[15:08:08] <Colourless> oops... wrong person *evil grin*
[15:08:24] <Colourless> s/fid/find/
[15:08:43] <ElleVeeDee> I'll be more careful next time I enter the channel... I'll read the topic, that should help me fit in.
[15:08:51] * ElleVeeDee giggles
[15:09:06] <ElleVeeDee> it's a very manly giggle, mind you!
[15:09:15] <Colourless> yes... read the topic and fit i n
[15:09:32] <ElleVeeDee> lemme try.
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[15:09:48] <wjp> hm, kicking yourself out?
[15:09:51] <ElleVeeDee> mornin', peeps. Can I spoon someone?
[15:10:02] <Colourless> hell no you sick bastard!
[15:10:19] <ElleVeeDee> I don't fit in anywhere, sniff. booo-hoo!
[15:10:42] <Colourless> sucks to be you then
[15:11:08] <ElleVeeDee> of course, this makes me the president of a very exclusive club.
[15:11:14] <ElleVeeDee> nobody can join... but me.
[15:11:27] <Colourless> sounds like a crappy club
[15:11:54] <ElleVeeDee> we have meetings every other thursday, and on the 9th each month we build dollhouses.
[15:12:32] <Colourless> [23:11] <Colourless> you are really strange
[15:12:59] <ElleVeeDee> this is a huge channel, takes forever for the echo to come back.
[15:13:15] <Colourless> [23:11] <Colourless> you are really strange
[15:13:28] <ElleVeeDee> it fluctuates.
[15:13:53] <Colourless> you are so strange, you are even stranger than darke!
[15:14:00] <Colourless> and the bunny is really strange
[15:14:27] <ElleVeeDee> i dont know how to take that. I'll await Darke's reaction...
[15:15:03] <Colourless> you are so strange i hear that scientists almost thought you were a new form of life!
[15:15:24] <ElleVeeDee> those scientists, they dont know crap.
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[15:16:14] <Colourless> i scared him away!
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[15:17:31] <ElleVeeDee> that damned Bob Barker!
[15:17:32] <Colourless> back for more?
[15:17:43] <ElleVeeDee> there's more?
[15:17:53] <Colourless> you have to ask?
[15:18:03] <ElleVeeDee> i don't have to, i guess.
[15:18:10] <ElleVeeDee> but I have the option.
[15:18:25] * Darke is perfectly normal. *noddle* Not weird at all.
[15:18:32] <Colourless> if you have to ask you will never know!
[15:18:45] <ElleVeeDee> I don't like country music.
[15:18:58] <Colourless> sanity!
[15:19:20] <ElleVeeDee> it's my only flaw.
[15:19:35] <Colourless> !
[15:19:55] * Colourless fails to understand
[15:20:03] * Darke likes (some) country music. *nod*
[15:20:03] <ElleVeeDee> sanity, it's my only flaw.
[15:20:16] <ElleVeeDee> without it, i'd be a complete idiot.
[15:20:26] * ElleVeeDee looks himself up and down... hrmf, some parts are missing.
[15:20:44] <watt> flaws, they're my only flaws.... Does that make sense?
[15:21:00] <ElleVeeDee> yes, yes it does.
[15:21:06] * ElleVeeDee tries to keep a straight face.
[15:21:20] <Colourless> people who are presidents of 1 member clubs that have meetings everyweek and build dolls houses do not fit into the set of people descriped by sanity
[15:21:36] <Colourless> s/eveyweek/every other week/
[15:21:55] <ElleVeeDee> only people not part of that club would say such a thing.
[15:22:27] <watt> however those who do that every week are perfectly sane
[15:22:36] <Colourless> exactly!
[15:22:50] <Colourless> watt understands!
[15:23:10] <Colourless> watt is a pentagram developer!
[15:23:14] <ElleVeeDee> we're workin on that in our club tho. please have patience.
[15:23:21] <Colourless> watt doesn't have ops! *evil grin*
[15:23:54] <ElleVeeDee> how many pentagrams have watt developed?
[15:24:02] <Colourless> more than you\
[15:24:09] <ElleVeeDee> that doesn't say much.
[15:24:28] <Colourless> it says enough
[15:24:36] <ElleVeeDee> true, but not much.
[15:24:42] <Colourless> so?
[15:24:46] <watt> watt merely hides under the guise of a pentagram dev... he's really a magical elf who makes cookies
[15:25:00] <Colourless> elves.... tasty!
[15:25:09] <ElleVeeDee> chocolate chip elves, mmmm.
[15:25:20] <watt> *nice dragon*... eep
[15:26:34] <Colourless> let me tell you this... rabbits, especially black ones, taste terrible
[15:26:55] <ElleVeeDee> it's the helmets.
[15:27:51] <ElleVeeDee> they wear them on their heads. for protection.
[15:28:17] <Colourless> how strange... but they are not as strange as you! :-)
[15:28:25] <ElleVeeDee> that doesn't say much.
[15:29:32] * Darke doesn't say much.
[15:29:49] <Colourless> perhaps not, but in the end what matters is your name is only three letters, but they are spelled out!?!?
[15:30:09] <ElleVeeDee> tis odd indeed.
[15:31:41] <ElleVeeDee> what can we do about it?
[15:32:04] * ElleVeeDee puts this issue on thursdays agenda.
[15:32:41] <Colourless> Darke isn't much better... his name is Dark with a superfluous e at the end that only works to confuse people into thinking his name is Drake
[15:33:18] <ElleVeeDee> now *that* is wrong.
[15:33:57] <Colourless> what does he think he is?!?! How... pretentious
[15:34:24] <ElleVeeDee> makes me sick.
[15:34:54] <ElleVeeDee> speaking of sick helmets... ta taa!
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[15:35:04] * Darke puts the issue on yesterday's agenda. There. Problem solved, back to napping. *Zzzz...*
[15:36:00] <Colourless> and was it resolved!>
[15:38:04] <Colourless> well, that was fun wasn't it... half an hour of me just typing whatever crap came to mind :-)
[15:39:50] <Darke> Heh.
[15:40:03] <Darke> Isn't that how it usually works? *grin*
[15:40:44] <Colourless> it works?
[15:41:12] <Darke> If you define 'works' as 'conversation happens', then yes.
[15:41:23] <Colourless> :-)
[15:41:55] <Colourless> "Isn't that how it conversation happens?" doesn't make sense
[15:42:09] <Colourless> s/it/it usually/
[15:47:48] <Darke> However, if you define work as to be the inverse of force times distance... then you're a physicist.
[15:48:54] <wjp> and one who has his definitions wrong, too ;-)
[15:49:14] <Colourless> i define work as power multiplied time :-)
[15:49:19] * Colourless hopes he has the right
[15:49:36] <Darke> Hrm... probably. Trying to remember old physics equation when I should have been asleep a couple of hours ago, doesn't work quite right. *grin*
[15:49:44] * Colourless can't be bothered attempting to fix typos
[15:49:48] <wjp> work = force * distance
[15:50:07] <wjp> (if force is constant)
[15:51:13] <Colourless> how could you possibly think the inverse would be correct Darke :-)
[15:51:19] <Colourless> think about it... it makes no sense at all'
[15:51:32] <wjp> indeed :-)
[15:51:34] <Colourless> more force... less work.... more distance... less work :-)
[15:51:58] <wjp> hmm, that does sound like a more convenient world, though :-)
[15:52:09] <wjp> perfect for the lazy :-)
[15:52:12] <Colourless> no force or no distance... infinite work
[15:52:21] <Colourless> doesn't sound too good :-)
[15:52:36] <wjp> well, you'll have to keep busy I guess :-)
[15:52:50] <Darke> *think* Ah. Was trying to work back from example to equation. Example was something with already a constant force, and decellerating, so got the - in the wrong place.
[15:56:21] * Darke sleeps. Night! *fwump*
[15:56:50] <Colourless> night
[16:00:31] <wjp> night
[16:02:12] <watt> night
[16:02:17] <watt> night night.
[16:30:58] * watt wondering if I should just swipe the exult web cvs and modify for the pentagram prototype
[16:31:43] <Colourless> i would rather the pentagram website didn't look like a modified clone of the exult one :-)
[16:32:06] <watt> It won't but, the underlying code could easily be the same
[16:32:41] <Colourless> and at this stage there isn't much to have on a pentagram website
[16:33:05] <watt> I know.. a lot of potentially blank pages
[17:02:10] <wjp> bbl, dinner
[18:02:58] <wjp> back
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[19:19:00] * ElleVeeDee decides to offer his fork to anyone who might want it
[19:19:02] <ElleVeeDee> g'aftnoon
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[19:51:33] * absentia is here to annoy you.
[19:52:08] <Colourless> oh no
[19:52:17] <Colourless> should i be worried?
[19:52:48] <ElleVeeDee> naah, I'll protect ya.
[19:53:27] <absentia> where the HELL are the screenshots!?
[19:54:23] <Colourless> we have 3 screenshots :-)
[19:54:55] <absentia> those suck.
[19:55:00] <watt> ouch.
[19:55:26] <Colourless> well, too bad :-)
[19:55:38] <absentia> will I be able to import my avatar from ultima 4?
[19:55:41] <absentia> WHY NOT?
[19:56:03] <Colourless> well, you see other people might be able to, but we decided that we wont let you... that means you specifically :-)
[19:56:13] <ElleVeeDee> There is no Ultima 4.
[19:56:19] <absentia> ha! I'm use to this.... computers hate me. so I hate them back.
[19:56:26] <ElleVeeDee> They went straight from 3.51 to 6.22
[19:56:27] <absentia> it's a mutual hatred.
[19:56:44] <absentia> this is not DOS to NT
[19:57:09] <absentia> I want my characters nuvie and exult to be able to use them.
[19:57:39] <absentia> bah... anyway.. I'm not really here to annoy you. just stopping by to say hello.
[19:57:41] <watt> anywho. http://fallofrome.dyndns.org:8080/web/index.php - here's the current mock up. Nevermind the exult refs, since I blatantly stole the exult website.
[19:58:05] <watt> ooh.. hello then.
[19:58:07] <absentia> fark
[19:58:15] <absentia> behind compay firewall, cant' get to port 8080
[19:58:18] * absentia goes trough bablefish
[19:58:36] <ElleVeeDee> DOS and NT havent been released yet. Peter Norton says so.
[19:58:46] <absentia> I'll translate your page... korean into english
[19:59:06] <ElleVeeDee> They're aiming for August 2025. It's a good year. I hate wine. And tires.
[19:59:08] <absentia> listen, mr bvd underwear.... you're about a decade behind the times.
[19:59:23] * absentia loves qemu + wine + crossover plugin
[19:59:27] <absentia> g00t pr0n !@#$
[19:59:44] <absentia> that page @ 8080 sucks.
[20:00:04] <absentia> get "how to rip off the exult page in 24 hours, for dummies" ...
[20:00:23] <watt> thanks, I try hard
[20:00:28] * absentia goes to et falcon's eye... at least there are screen shots!
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[20:05:36] <watt> so, that was fun.. and a masochistic kinda way.
[20:05:45] <watt> s/and/in/
[20:08:01] <ElleVeeDee> This is my favorite part: "Woo. This appears to be the news section."
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[20:45:53] <Colourless> i'm going
[20:45:55] <Colourless> cya
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[20:45:59] <watt> later
[20:59:44] <watt> ah absentia words of wisdom immortalized a fan letter in the mockup
[21:01:31] <watt> now I can enjoy sunshine and rainbows forever... amen
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[22:54:40] <watt> alright, so I figure that's about it for now on the mockup.. a title image still need to be added.
[22:54:53] <watt> any feedback is helpful
[22:57:26] <wjp> so, where should I look? :-)
[23:01:03] <sbx> i don't know what I'm looking at but I want to look too
[23:01:35] <watt> http://fallofrome.dyndns.org:8080/web/index.php
[23:05:36] <wjp> not bad
[23:06:13] <wjp> has the text in the image on the left been scaled up?
[23:06:22] <sbx> yeah nice
[23:06:47] <sbx> i thought the pentagram was upside down
[23:07:24] <sbx> been a while since I played U8 :-)
[23:08:46] * wjp grins at 'filler' texts :-)
[23:29:47] <watt> The pentagram was modified from the original box cover.
[23:31:22] <watt> and in the game it is technically right side up... the top points toward the volcano... but well, yeah.
[23:34:36] <watt> text was scaled up from the ttf rendered by the game.. I'm lazy so I modified a gump.
[23:34:49] <watt> I may need to fix some of that text.
[23:51:16] <wjp> time to go; night
[23:52:24] <sbx> cya
[23:53:49] <watt> night