#pentagram@irc.freenode.net logs for 22 Dec 2002 (GMT)

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[15:20:50] <wjp> Colourless: how's the graphics stuff coming along?
[15:21:01] <Colourless> it's comming along
[15:21:04] <Colourless> :-)
[15:21:06] <wjp> good :-)
[15:21:15] <Colourless> s/mm/m/
[15:25:23] <wjp> feel free to commit anytime you like ;-)
[15:26:38] <Colourless> :-)
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[16:46:59] <DominatoR^^^HC> hello!
[16:47:14] <wjp> hi
[16:47:19] <Colourless> hi
[16:54:54] <DominatoR^^^HC> do you ever have any official "pentagram-staff" chat sometimes?
[16:55:36] <Colourless> nope
[16:55:45] <Colourless> everything here is pretty freeform
[16:56:16] <DominatoR^^^HC> ok
[16:57:21] <DominatoR^^^HC> there's some sort of TODO list?
[16:57:42] <wjp> TODO: everything :-)
[16:57:47] <Colourless> yep, here:
[16:58:00] <Colourless> i see wjp already posted it :-)
[16:58:12] <DominatoR^^^HC> wow
[16:58:13] <DominatoR^^^HC> !
[16:58:15] <DominatoR^^^HC> :P
[16:58:24] <wjp> only one item left on the TODO list :-)
[16:58:46] <DominatoR^^^HC> yeah... it's almost finished...
[16:58:58] <DominatoR^^^HC> except that "little"...
[16:59:20] <DominatoR^^^HC> all
[16:59:21] <DominatoR^^^HC> :P
[17:00:23] <DominatoR^^^HC> If someone makes something he must send to... ? any of you?
[17:00:36] <Colourless> lucky for us, darke has been assigned that task :-)
[17:00:53] <wjp> well, currently only people with direct CVS access are working on pentagram
[17:01:13] <wjp> I guess the pentagram mailing list or the patch tracker would be options
[17:01:35] <DominatoR^^^HC> I'm opening sf pentagram site...
[17:01:47] <Colourless> now, we really don't expect anything for anyone anytime soon :-)
[17:02:17] <DominatoR^^^HC> ^
[17:02:19] <DominatoR^^^HC> ^^
[17:02:31] <DominatoR^^^HC> I'm just curious...
[17:12:08] <wjp> we're basically just setting up the main systems atm
[17:12:57] <wjp> once there's a partially-working codebase it'll be easier to identify small-to-medium-sized things to do
[17:13:34] <Colourless> wjp: i've been thinking, that we need some dir in cvs for Pentagram 'data'
[17:14:01] <wjp> hm, yes, we'll probably need one of those :-)
[17:14:13] <wjp> how about 'data'? ;-)
[17:14:45] <Colourless> i don't have any objections to it
[17:16:01] <wjp> and then we also need some data to put in there :-)
[17:16:29] <Colourless> i'll put something in there soon enough
[17:16:42] <Colourless> (font for the 'basic' graphics console)
[17:17:26] * wjp nods
[17:17:36] <wjp> should we make subdirs of the data/ dir?
[17:17:58] <Colourless> yes, it would seem to be a good idea
[17:18:45] <wjp> data/pentagram, data/u8, ...?
[17:18:55] <wjp> (although we should probably only create them when we need them)
[17:19:07] <Colourless> no, not like that, at least not yet anyway
[17:19:41] <Colourless> we don't know what we need, and i would prefer it to be more like images/u8, or images/pentagram, rather than u8/images and u8/pentagram
[17:20:29] <wjp> how should we package the data files?
[17:20:43] <Colourless> that... is yet to be decided
[17:20:52] <Colourless> eventually though it would be in zip files
[17:22:20] <Colourless> so the zip files would be mounted into the virtual directory structure
[17:23:47] <wjp> sometimes I wonder if there's a better way to store files that are 'indexed' by two (or more) properties
[17:24:07] <wjp> (like images/u8, images/pentagram and u8/images, u8/pentagram, I mean)
[17:24:27] <wjp> neither one is a 'canonical' choice
[17:24:58] <Colourless> well, you could use u8_images, but that is hardly better :-)
[17:25:09] <wjp> exactly :-)
[17:25:47] <wjp> you could have a bunch of symlinks pointing to the same directories or something
[17:25:57] <wjp> so that both u8/images and images/u8 would exist (and be the same dir)
[17:26:05] <Colourless> then that is just asking for confusing code though
[17:26:13] <wjp> (note this is purely theoretical; I don't plan on doing anything with it :-) )
[17:26:42] <Colourless> you'll get both styles being used in the code, and it will just be painful for anyone who doesn't know what's going on with the code
[17:29:16] <wjp> yeah, that's a bit of a problem
[17:30:05] <wjp> somehow having to make a choice between u8/images and images/u8 offends my (mathematical?) sense of 'rightness' :-)
[17:30:45] <wjp> but it's kind of hard to avoid :/
[17:31:39] <Colourless> indeed, both are 'wrong' but yet there doesn't seem to be any correct solution
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