#pentagram@irc.freenode.net logs for 23 Oct 2005 (GMT)

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[00:22:14] <wjp> ok, committed what I have so far
[00:22:40] <wjp> hopefully I'll have some time tomorrow evening to actually add a scrollbar :-)
[00:23:09] <wjp> (currently some very basic scrolling can be done with the up/down arrow keys)
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[08:02:33] <Colourless> that is looking great willem
[08:02:55] <Colourless> blame girlfriend and stuff on while i've been very absent lately
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[20:17:42] <wjp> Colourless, watt: do you have any opinions/ideas on how to handle custom art? (Both the data files and the internal handling)
[20:18:50] <wjp> paletted vs. RGB, shape format vs. a format like png?
[20:19:43] <wjp> or maybe tga since we already have loaders for that
[20:21:52] <wjp> although that might end up being quite large for the images in the main men
[20:21:56] <wjp> s/men/menu/
[20:22:37] <wjp> (tga 170Kb vs png 65Kb)
[20:22:43] <wjp> for the left menu bar
[20:24:32] <wjp> using something like png has the disadvantage of requiring an extra library and some speed/memory trade-offs internally
[20:25:10] <wjp> maybe an ImageGump that shows a cached png
[20:26:14] <wjp> shapes have the advantage of already being fully implemented of course
[20:26:28] <wjp> but we'll need to work on the tools for generating them a bit
[20:37:25] <watt> I'd perfer anything not paletted for custom art. It's difficult to make stuff look as good as you want when it's limited to a specific palette.
[20:54:41] <Lightkey> wjp: you don't have to fake activity just because Fingolfin is around ;p
[20:56:22] <Fingolfin> /kick Lightkey
[20:56:34] <Fingolfin> oops, did I just write that? it wasn't me, really! :-)
[20:56:36] <Lightkey> but it's true ;_;
[21:02:29] <Fingolfin> no it's not. It's in fact *essential* that wjp fakes activity while I am here
[21:04:44] <Lightkey> I meant that there wasn't much of an activity here lately
[21:52:34] <Fingolfin> the only reason I am here is to ensure people will break out in random spurs of faked activity. I am employed as a "catalyst"
[21:52:58] <Fingolfin> i.e. I sit there and wait for the work to do itself, by a miracle
[22:02:26] <Lightkey> I was a little puzzled there what your connection with ATI is, but that sounds like a plan :)
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[22:36:35] <Colourless> PNG is probably better in the long run... but really I hadn't decided anything. I was first just going to do it with TGAs
[22:36:57] <Colourless> if it turned out to be a problem id then use libpng
[22:37:42] <Colourless> i was going to avoid shapes at all costs.
[22:37:51] <Colourless> reason it would mean we'd need to define palettes
[22:38:47] <Colourless> also shape compression is likely to be very poor on a rectangular and dithered image (i.e. it would be the same as uncompressed 8bit)
[22:39:52] <Colourless> what I should do is make the tga loader accept paletted images and upconvert to 24 bit
[22:40:08] <Colourless> paletted is still a useful compression scheme :-)
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