#pentagram@irc.freenode.net logs for 24 Feb 2003 (GMT)

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[00:04:29] <wjp> oh, I came up with an objection to @ for vpaths
[00:04:43] <wjp> some OS's use @ for kernel-substituted path variables
[00:04:47] * Darke earperks.
[00:05:12] <Darke> Erf. Which OSes? *grin* And can we think of anything else?
[00:05:45] <wjp> someone on the tetex mailing list mentioned it... I think it was 'AFS' or something
[00:07:33] <Darke> First we probably want to find out what OS that is, and if we can ever port to it. Not much use worrying about something that can't happen. *grin*
[00:07:49] <wjp> "The @sys is AFS kernel variable, which is not expanded by shell, by kernel
[00:07:49] <wjp> itself."
[00:08:25] <Darke> Andrew File System?
[00:09:21] <wjp> google seems to agree
[00:10:09] <wjp> support for it was dropped in 1998? (http://www.transarc.ibm.com/Support/afs/news/os.policy.html)
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[00:10:44] * Darke sighs. X died on him. What did I say last?
[00:10:45] <wjp> hm, no, that was a very old news item
[00:10:52] <wjp> <Darke> Andrew File System?
[00:11:15] <Darke> Ahh, yes, that's the only reference to AFS I can find. UNder OSX and OS/2. *grin*
[00:11:30] <wjp> http://www.transarc.ibm.com/Support/afs/news/36.patch6.build243.html
[00:11:41] * Darke didn't get much of a chance to look though, since he kinda crashed. *grin*
[00:12:32] <wjp> but that could be an entirely different AFS
[00:13:11] <Darke> Dunno, that looks like the same AFS I've seen mentioned elsewhere.
[00:13:57] <wjp> anyway, I have to get up in 6 hours or so :-(
[00:14:05] <wjp> bye
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[08:39:29] <wjp> *sigh*... so I didn't _quite_ manage to get up after those 6 hours I mentioned last night... I managed 7, though :-)
[08:40:08] * Darke giggles.
[09:22:37] <wjp> some users...
[09:22:52] <wjp> someone is complaining that after upgrading his machine to RH8, his homepage no longer looks right
[09:22:58] <wjp> and if we could fix it...
[09:23:17] <wjp> (clearly we never touched his ~/public_html dir with the upgrade)
[09:24:15] * Darke snorks.
[09:25:02] <wjp> apparently the old netscape 4.79 accidently displayed some broken html "properly"
[09:25:11] <wjp> (for some strange definition of "properly" :-) )
[09:25:12] <Darke> "But the computer worked *before* you changed the doorsign to my room, but not *after*! It's *obvious* that the change in the doorsign broke the computer!"
[09:25:20] <wjp> lol
[09:25:23] <Darke> Yes, definately for some strange defintion. *grin*
[09:25:58] * Darke hasn't *quite* had that level of stupidity, and thankfully never from the staff, but the students sometimes... *sigh*
[09:27:10] <wjp> this was from a staff member
[09:28:09] <Darke> But you work in a math faculty though don't you, not IT? *grin* I do expect some minimal computer-related compitence from IT staff members.
[09:28:24] <wjp> yeah, math
[09:29:16] <Darke> So you should only be worried when someone can't use Mathlab or something, or can't quote the IEEE floating point spec from their head. *noddle*
[09:31:10] <wjp> lol
[09:44:31] <wjp> s/mathlab/matlab/, btw :-)
[09:46:23] * wjp is bored... no interesting support requests left
[09:46:57] * wjp checks out pentagram cvs... :-)
[09:47:35] * Darke snickers.
[09:47:58] <wjp> hm, that ./bootstrap really could use some cleaning
[09:48:06] * Darke hasn't used matlab in years, though has occasional requests to loan it out to lecturers. *grin*
[09:48:11] <wjp> automake spits out lots of errors
[09:48:46] <Darke> Which errors? And which version of automake? I though I cleared up a lot of it a while back.
[09:48:54] <wjp> we don't use automake in pentagram :-)
[09:49:09] <wjp> from bootstrap:
[09:49:12] <wjp> # Neither do we need automake, but it provides "missing", "install-sh" and "mkinstalldirs"
[09:49:18] * Darke ahhs. Yeah, what are they doing there?
[09:49:27] <wjp> I'm tempted to just commit recent versions of these 3
[09:49:35] <Darke> Makes sense.
[09:49:36] <wjp> it's not like they get updated often, or anything
[09:49:46] <Darke> Nope.
[09:50:23] <wjp> in fact, copyright headers seem to be from <= 2000
[09:50:35] * Darke snickers.
[09:54:09] * wjp seems to have developed a remarkable skill at mis-typing his SF password... grrr
[09:55:31] <Darke> *grin* That sounds like an *amazingly* useful skill there.
[09:56:02] <wjp> ok, that got rid of the confusing errors from bootstrap
[10:20:22] * Darke yays! in a temporially slow way.
[10:37:00] <wjp> :-)
[11:15:53] <wjp> hmmm, how are you with (la)tex?
[11:16:24] <wjp> \penalty isn't behaving like I want it to :-)
[11:31:24] * Darke isn't good enough with latest to know what '\penalty' is. *grin*
[11:36:44] <wjp> or to spell it properly? ;-)
[11:37:30] <wjp> (\penalty gives a penalty to breaking lines or pages at the current position)
[11:38:01] <wjp> (I'm trying to use it to prevent latex from putting a page break between "Exercise 3.20" and the actual exercise one line below that)
[11:41:36] * Darke ahhs.
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[11:53:27] <Colourless> perhaps I should say it in here... HI!
[11:56:53] <Darke> There is just a touch more conversation here then the other channel, yes. *grin* Hi!
[12:23:39] <wjp> hi
[12:24:04] * wjp was away for lunch
[12:24:08] * wjp is back now ;-)
[12:24:27] <Colourless> 'bout time
[12:24:30] <Colourless> :-)
[13:25:04] <wjp> boring work implies long lunches ;-)
[13:27:02] <Colourless> also seems to imply long reply time too... or is that just co-incidental?
[13:45:00] <wjp> nah, that's just because people keep calling me away to fix stuff
[13:51:05] <Colourless> just added some p_dynamic_cast stuff (it's just one file). It's just there in case we decide to use it.
[13:51:14] * wjp nods
[14:02:21] <Colourless> adding p_dynamic_cast support to a class is fairly simple. You just need to use some macros. p_dynamic_cast.h explains pretty much what you have to do... feel free to make any changes :-)
[14:03:02] <wjp> THE_MACRO_NAMES_ARE_QUITE_LONG_ARENT_THEY? ;-)
[14:03:42] <Colourless> NO_THEY_ARE_NOT__THEY_COULD_BE_LONGER
[14:04:15] <Colourless> seriously, yes DEFINE_DYNAMIC_CAST_CODE_BASE_CLASS is kind of long :-)
[14:04:40] <Colourless> in fact it looks 'worse' than it did last night :-)(
[14:04:46] <wjp> :-)
[14:05:17] <Colourless> as i said, feel free to change things :-)
[14:43:50] * Darke is of the opinion that code always looks so much uglier the morning after. *grin*
[14:44:16] <Colourless> :-)
[14:45:33] <Colourless> as long as it works as it's supposed to, then there is no problems :-)
[14:46:01] <Colourless> because, if it works perfectly, there shouldn't be any need for anyone to maintain it :-)
[14:47:52] * Darke postulates if he's just invented a parallel 'bear goggles' effect, except instead of involving MOTAS, it involves code... *ponder*
[14:49:00] <Colourless> i think you mean BEER not bear :-)
[14:49:28] <Darke> Mmm... yeah. Sleepy bunny. Everything's blury. *grin*
[14:49:53] <Colourless> unless you queenslanders have strange habits that us southerners don't know about :-)
[14:50:01] * Darke wonders if bears *wear* 'bear goggles', or if they're just goggles, styled to be worn by a bear.
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[14:50:40] <Darke> Erm... I don't think so. No bears up here. And if you mention that Koala's are one, I'll be forced to feed you to the crocs. *grin*
[14:51:56] <Colourless> hell no. my pedantic streak wouldn't let me say koala's are bears. They ARE NOT!
[14:53:38] <Darke> Awww... but the crocs are getting hungry. All those tourists have been warned off doing stupid things, like, y'know, petting them by that Croc Hunter fellow. Are you sure you don't want to?
[14:54:08] <Colourless> they wouldn't find much usable meat on me anyway... too boney :-)
[14:54:30] * Darke pouts.
[14:54:54] * wjp slowly backs away from Darke
[14:54:55] * Darke must sleep. Unemployment people harrassment to do 'n stuff early tommorrow morning. *yawn* Night!
[14:55:03] <wjp> g'night :-)
[14:55:06] <Colourless> cya
[14:55:20] <Colourless> have fun doing what the gov requires :-)
[14:55:27] <Darke> wjp: What? I didn't threaten to feed you to the dragon, did I? *points to Colourless*
[14:55:45] * wjp speeds up the backing away a bit :-)
[14:55:45] <Colourless> no, but i think you were probably thinking of throwing exultbot to the crocs
[14:55:55] <wjp> ...and pulls exultbot with him
[14:55:56] * Darke threatens Colourless with slow torture with racks and whips.
[14:56:04] * wjp starts running
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[14:57:48] * DarkeZzz wouldn't do such a thing! Really! *innocentlook*
[14:58:13] * wjp starts research a teleport spell to get away even faster
[14:58:17] <wjp> s/ch/ching/
[14:58:23] <Colourless> and we have steve irwin anyway. he could rescue exultbot :-)
[14:58:49] * DarkeZzz points to his time machine.
[14:59:37] <Colourless> well then, i'll guess you'll be with us all night then if you have a time machine :-)
[15:00:15] <DarkeZzz> Nah. I need to sleep *sometime* and... well... you should do your sleeping at the unimportant times in history. *grin*
[15:01:12] <Colourless> and this is an unimportant time of history?
[15:01:54] <DarkeZzz> I dunno. I need to sleep anyway, I'm sure I'll find out soon enough. *grin*
[15:01:56] <DarkeZzz> Night!
[15:02:58] <wjp> lol
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