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[07:55:13] <wjp> things like the "Pentagram" text at the top of the menu concept would benefit quite a bit from RLE compression
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[11:17:43] <Colourless> tga has rle compression
[12:16:24] <wjp> ah, ok, that's good
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[22:17:32] <e4man> so uh yeah
[22:17:41] <e4man> how do I get u8 running through pentagram
[22:18:19] <wjp> first of all, make sure U8 is installed somewhere
[22:18:40] <e4man> it is
[22:18:41] <wjp> which operating system are you using?
[22:18:45] <e4man> win2k
[22:18:50] <e4man> I've gotten it to run on dosbox
[22:18:54] <e4man> but I have to reinstall everytime
[22:18:57] <e4man> I use dosbox
[22:19:00] <wjp> which directory is U8 in?
[22:19:03] <e4man> so I'm looking for something else
[22:19:04] <e4man> program files
[22:19:13] <wjp> the full directory?
[22:19:26] <e4man> yes
[22:19:44] <wjp> that wasn't really a yes/no question :-)
[22:19:59] <e4man> err I have the full directory installed in program files
[22:20:42] <wjp> in any case, do you have pentagram.exe somewhere?
[22:20:55] <e4man> yes
[22:20:56] <e4man> I run it
[22:20:59] <wjp> you'll have to create a file named pentagram.ini with notepad in the same directory as pentagram
[22:21:02] <e4man> and it comes up with a graphical interface of some sort
[22:21:18] <wjp> with the following two lines in it:
[22:21:20] <wjp> [u8]
[22:21:33] <wjp> path=C:\program files\something
[22:21:42] <wjp> you'll have to replace that 'something' by wherever U8 is
[22:21:43] <e4man> [pentagram]defaultgame=u8fullscreen=nowidth=640height=480bpp=32ttf=yes[u8]path=c:\programfiles\ultima8
[22:21:45] <e4man> would tha twork?
[22:22:04] <wjp> well, it shouldn't all be on one line
[22:22:10] <e4man> that was the example
[22:22:10] <e4man> :/
[22:22:28] <wjp> just take the two I just gave
[22:23:20] <e4man> k
[22:23:32] <e4man> still nothing
[22:23:46] <wjp> what does it report?
[22:23:52] <e4man> absolutely nothing
[22:23:54] <e4man> comes up blank
[22:24:03] <e4man> withlike a red background
[22:24:09] <e4man> and a yellow stripe along the side
[22:24:16] <wjp> ok, press ~
[22:24:41] <e4man> no games set up in configuration
[22:25:14] <wjp> if you scroll up, it should give more information
[22:25:19] <wjp> (scroll with page-up)
[22:25:41] <e4man> that's the only thing of importance
[22:25:46] <wjp> you're looking for a line 'Scanning config file for games'
[22:25:49] <e4man> the rest is just loading
[22:26:01] <e4man> below it
[22:26:05] <e4man> it just says no games found
[22:26:17] <wjp> ok, a bit higher then
[22:26:23] <wjp> is there a line 'Loading configuration files' ?
[22:26:42] <e4man> no
[22:26:59] <wjp> sure?
[22:27:18] <e4man> oh
[22:27:22] <e4man> I have to guide it tot he exe
[22:27:45] <e4man> still nothing
[22:28:06] <e4man> and I'm sure
[22:28:27] <wjp> hm, I don't see how there can't be such a line
[22:29:01] <wjp> should be closely above 'Creating Kernel...'
[22:29:13] <e4man> [u8]
[22:29:13] <e4man> path=F:\ultima8\u8
[22:29:15] <e4man> that's what I have
[22:29:17] <e4man> in my ini
[22:29:36] <wjp> so you have a file F:\ultima8\u8\u8.exe ?
[22:29:41] <e4man> yea
[22:29:57] <e4man> initialising pentagram menu
[22:30:01] <e4man> is the last line
[22:30:02] <e4man> then input
[22:30:17] <wjp> the lines below 'Scanning config file for games' are the most interesting
[22:30:31] <e4man> below that it's
[22:30:42] <e4man> pentagram: Pentagram menu english
[22:30:47] <e4man> then -------------------
[22:30:58] <e4man> no games set up in configuration
[22:31:02] <wjp> but it kind of sounds like it isn't finding your config file
[22:31:18] <e4man> reinstall ultima8 maybe?
[22:31:25] <wjp> nah, won't help
[22:31:38] <wjp> pentagram.exe and pentagram.ini are in the same dir, right?
[22:31:43] <e4man> yes
[22:31:50] <e4man> here I'll screenshot
[22:32:08] <wjp> does it create files stdout.txt and stderr.txt?
[22:32:12] <e4man> yes
[22:32:22] <wjp> the text that's displayed on the graphical console should also be in there
[22:32:35] <e4man> l ultima8 maybe?
[22:32:35] <e4man> <wjp> nah, won't h
[22:32:37] <e4man> oops
[22:32:41] <e4man> Resetting AudioMixer...
[22:32:42] <e4man> Resetting ObjectManager...
[22:32:42] <e4man> Resetting Kernel...
[22:32:42] <e4man> Resetting PaletteManager...
[22:32:42] <e4man> -- Game Shutdown --
[22:32:54] <e4man> ----------------------------------------
[22:32:54] <e4man> No games set up in configuration.
[22:32:54] <e4man> Please read the README for instructions.
[22:33:11] <wjp> how are you starting pentagram.exe?
[22:33:16] <e4man> just running it
[22:33:27] <wjp> could you try from a command prompy?
[22:33:31] <e4man> yeah
[22:33:31] <wjp> s/prompy/prompt/
[22:33:57] <wjp> I'm not familiar enough with pentagram's config file behaviour on windows, it seems :/
[22:34:11] <e4man> same thing
[22:34:40] <wjp> can you send me your full stdout.txt and stderr.txt?
[22:35:47] <e4man> can't accept?
[22:35:59] <wjp> hm?
[22:36:45] <e4man> here
[22:36:47] <e4man> I'll c/p
[22:36:50] <wjp> no, not in here
[22:36:59] <wjp> use this, for example: http://www.rafb.net/paste/
[22:37:54] <e4man> oh
[22:37:55] <e4man> sorry
[22:38:34] <e4man> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/onLiuT15.html
[22:38:52] <e4man> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2tf0io70.html
[22:38:59] <wjp> ok, so it's indeed not finding the configuration file
[22:39:25] <e4man> so do I need to download a different binary?
[22:39:43] <e4man> I downloaded CVS snapshot binary
[22:39:53] <wjp> that's the only one there is
[22:40:07] <e4man> yeah
[22:40:10] <wjp> I'm just looking at the code to see what the windows version is doing with the config files
[22:40:12] <e4man> but there's the older one
[22:40:36] <wjp> that's really way too old :-)
[22:40:47] <e4man> :)
[22:40:56] <e4man> I mean I generally know what I'm doing with this stuff
[22:41:07] <e4man> I just hate having to reinstall u8 every time
[22:41:15] <e4man> on dosbox
[22:41:15] <e4man> it's a really wierd error wher eit runs the first time
[22:41:19] <e4man> then after I close it
[22:41:22] <e4man> it says not complete install
[22:41:25] <wjp> hm, it should really be trying to open the file pentagram.ini in the current directory
[22:41:41] <wjp> in the command prompt, did you first cd to the directory with pentagram.exe?
[22:41:42] <e4man> do I need to do that?
[22:41:50] <e4man> yes
[22:41:57] <e4man> I did that
[22:42:25] <wjp> how confusing
[22:42:40] <wjp> it isn't called pentagram.ini.txt accidentally?
[22:42:50] <e4man> nope
[22:42:54] <e4man> wait
[22:42:58] <e4man> it is showing up as a text file
[22:43:00] <wjp> I understand notepad does that from time to time
[22:43:01] <e4man> how do I change that
[22:43:15] <wjp> hm, rename it somehow
[22:43:43] <e4man> it saved it as text
[22:43:46] <e4man> and it won't change
[22:43:47] <e4man> hmm
[22:44:01] <wjp> you should be able to rename it in explorer, I guess
[22:45:05] <e4man> hmm
[22:45:10] <e4man> I'm gonna reinstall
[22:45:23] <wjp> no, wait
[22:45:28] <e4man> i screwed it up
[22:45:28] <e4man> haha
[22:45:48] <wjp> renaming it is only possible if you disable the 'hide extensions for known file types' option in w2k, it seems
[22:45:57] <e4man> how would I do that
[22:46:07] <wjp> tools, folder options, view
[22:46:34] <wjp> roughly the 7th line there
[22:46:52] <wjp> it should list it as pentagram.ini.txt in explorer then, and let you strip off the .txt
[22:47:09] <e4man> I'm in explorer
[22:47:44] <e4man> it's not showing it as txt
[22:48:25] <e4man> hmm
[22:48:27] <e4man> let's try this now
[22:49:05] <e4man> now it's initializing
[22:49:08] <e4man> but not staying open
[22:49:08] <e4man> :/
[22:49:27] <wjp> ok, that's an improvement in a way
[22:49:46] <wjp> does stdout.txt now say it found '@home/pentagram.ini' and the game u8?
[22:50:19] <e4man> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yc04Kw35.html
[22:50:40] <e4man> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/dLytI439.html
[22:50:41] <wjp> ok, good, it found the config file
[22:50:43] <e4man> assertion failed
[22:50:54] <e4man> which would mena I think I need to reinstall u8
[22:51:01] <wjp> nah
[22:51:31] <wjp> it's not even at that point yet
[22:51:38] <wjp> (the point of actually loading U8)
[22:51:45] <e4man> hmm
[22:51:49] <e4man> so what should I do next?
[22:52:44] <wjp> ok, in any case you found a bug, but not necessarily a fatal one
[22:52:54] <e4man> yeah
[22:52:55] <e4man> :/
[22:52:59] <wjp> it means it can't find u8, but fails to report that properly
[22:53:32] <wjp> it tries to locate u8 by looking for the file usecode/eusecode.flx (assuming you have an english U8)
[22:53:52] <wjp> i.e., if you had path=F:\ultima8\u8, it's looking for F:\ultima8\u8\usecode\eusecode.flx
[22:53:59] <wjp> are you sure that extra \u8 there is right?
[22:54:02] <wjp> it sounds a bit double
[22:54:33] <e4man> I used F:\ultima8\u8.exe
[22:54:36] <e4man> and it's giving me the same thing
[22:54:40] <e4man> I tried ultima8 alone
[22:54:43] <e4man> and it did the same
[22:54:53] <wjp> you should say path=F:\ultima8 if the file is called F:\ultima8\u8.exe
[22:55:00] <e4man> did that
[22:55:01] <e4man> did the same thing
[22:55:17] <wjp> so you have the file called F:\ultima8\usecode\eusecode.flx ?
[22:55:17] <e4man> !
[22:55:19] <e4man> it's running
[22:55:26] <e4man> I changed it to the one running in c
[22:55:36] <e4man> YES
[22:55:37] <e4man> !
[22:55:38] <e4man> thanks a lot
[22:55:39] <e4man> haha
[22:55:57] <e4man> sound and everything
[22:55:59] <e4man> thanks :)
[22:56:03] <e4man> should run pretty smooth on my pc
[22:56:04] <wjp> pentagram isn't entirely complete yet, though, so it's a bit rough around the edges
[22:56:08] <e4man> OS: (Win2K Professional 5.0 Service Pack 4 (Build #2195)) ¤ CPU: (1 CPU - AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3400+, 2.21 GHz, L1: 64KB L2: 1024KB (16% Load)) ¤ Mem: (Usage: 353/1024MB (34.47%))
[22:56:08] <e4man> HD: (Total/Free: 232.88/167.25GB) ¤ Disp: (1280x1024 32bit 60Hz) ¤ VidCard: (ATi SAPPHIRE Radeon 9600 ATLANTIS 256 MB) ¤ Moni: (Acer 17" LCD)
[22:56:14] <wjp> (as you noticed already :-) )
[22:56:34] <wjp> it is possible to complete U8 with it, but some things are not entirely right yet
[22:56:49] <e4man> running a whole lot better than doxbox
[22:56:52] <e4man> dosbox*
[22:56:56] <wjp> hehe, yeah, that system should run pentagram just fine :-)
[22:57:19] <e4man> holy crap
[22:57:25] <e4man> if I use the arrow keys it moves me aorund the map
[22:57:25] <e4man> haha
[22:57:41] <wjp> yeah, that's for our convenience while debugging :-)
[22:57:58] <e4man> ah
[22:58:01] <e4man> thanks a lot for the help
[22:58:11] <e4man> at least I won't have to start over every time I need to turn if off
[22:58:13] <e4man> haha
[22:58:17] <wjp> sure, no problem
[22:58:19] <wjp> thanks for the feedback
[22:58:24] <e4man> n/p
[22:58:34] <e4man> I just ran it under C:\Program Files\Ultima8
[22:58:35] <e4man> btw
[22:58:41] <e4man> I think the ones under my F:\ drive
[22:58:43] <e4man> were corrupt
[22:59:26] <e4man> anyway to make it full screen btw?
[22:59:34] <wjp> hm, does alt-enter work?
[22:59:42] <e4man> nope
[22:59:45] <e4man> I thought it would
[22:59:53] <e4man> it did it in dosbox
[22:59:57] <wjp> oh, wait
[23:00:06] <wjp> I remember now
[23:00:10] <wjp> press ~ again
[23:00:25] <wjp> and then type GUIApp::toggleFullscreen
[23:00:42] <wjp> (which is a bit long for typing, but you can autocomplete parts of it by pressing tab after a few letters)
[23:01:00] <wjp> you can also add the following two lines to pentagram.ini at the top:
[23:01:00] <e4man> :)
[23:01:03] <wjp> [pentagram]
[23:01:10] <wjp> fullscreen=true
[23:01:11] <e4man> gotta love the console
[23:01:53] <wjp> ok, fixed that assertion failed you were getting now
[23:03:54] <e4man> finally no more dosbox
[23:04:00] <e4man> I think that u8
[23:04:08] <e4man> was the only game I had for the 386
[23:04:16] <e4man> then all my games are on floppy's
[23:04:18] <e4man> :P
[23:09:03] <wjp> time for me to go; good night
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