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[03:55:09] <edbgon> hey there, how goes pentagram development?
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[11:42:04] <CashZzz> happy new year
[11:42:06] <CashZzz> :-)
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[14:00:29] <Colourless> hi
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[14:07:12] <wjp> hi
[14:11:06] <wjp> kind of a pity you can't upgrade bows with things like haste
[14:11:13] <wjp> at least not in chapter 2
[14:11:27] <Colourless> you can't? I thought you could. I never really used bows
[14:11:58] <Colourless> so i never upgraded them except for one time at the beginning of chap 2
[14:15:55] <wjp> just increase attack bonus, add mighty, add unlimited +5 ammo
[14:17:23] <Colourless> i don't think that chap 3 will be any different
[14:27:01] <Colourless> you can probably 'cheat' BTW :-)
[14:27:32] <Colourless> put in a melee weapon in your right hand
[14:28:05] <Colourless> once you get the options to add haste, switch to the bow
[14:29:02] <wjp> hehe :-)
[14:29:36] <wjp> ooh, interesting... found a dagger I can't identify with my current lore
[14:30:13] <Colourless> in chap 3 I pretty much had to rely on merchants to identify things
[14:30:28] <Colourless> no me, not any of my companions could identify most stuff
[14:30:56] <wjp> didn't you have a bard as a companion?
[14:31:02] <Colourless> of course when something will give you 50k for selling it, a 100 cost for identify
[14:31:07] <Colourless> not in chap 3
[14:31:29] <Colourless> of course deekin probably
[14:31:38] <Colourless> could have identified them, but i didn't have him along
[14:33:20] <Colourless> there is a large section in chap 3 that you can't AFAIK get back to the 'town' to sell anything
[14:33:30] * wjp has 2 bags now, btw
[14:33:40] <wjp> (bag of holding and greater magic bag)
[14:33:42] <Colourless> you do? Where did you get them?
[14:33:48] <wjp> the djinni sold them
[14:34:03] <Colourless> ah ha. I didn't 'find' the djinni :-)
[14:34:25] <wjp> and you can temporarily store stuff in that pool with the reaper
[14:34:37] <wjp> (it even pays you for putting things in there :-) )
[14:37:25] <wjp> in chapter one the djinni wouldn't pay more than 5K for things
[14:38:06] <Colourless> 5k! That sucks
[14:38:24] <Colourless> the merchants in waterdeep would pay 7.5 k
[14:38:57] <Colourless> since you are in chap 2, in the illithid camp, the merchant has some pretty good stuff
[14:39:38] <wjp> haven't been to many places in chapter 2 yet
[14:39:46] <wjp> just the main city and shaori fells
[14:39:55] <wjp> ah, in chapter 2 the djinni pays up to 10K
[14:40:08] <wjp> (although that doesn't even seem to be enough for 99 poison arrows :-) )
[14:40:45] <Colourless> if you pick up a heap of rubys or emeralds
[14:40:53] <wjp> split it up? :-)
[14:40:53] <Colourless> it is a good idea to split the pile
[14:40:55] <wjp> yeah :-)
[14:41:18] <wjp> I didn't sell any of the high-level gems I found yet
[14:41:30] * wjp has piles of diamonds, sapphires, rubies, emeralds, fire opals
[14:42:02] <Colourless> same thing if you get powerful arrows/bolts/bullets/shuriken/darts that you don't want
[14:42:28] <Colourless> of course i'm not sure if you will actually ever hit the 10k limit in chap2 with those items
[14:42:54] <Colourless> not that there were espcially many of those items anyway
[14:43:34] <wjp> 5 poison arrows sell at 8K+
[14:43:36] <wjp> insane
[14:43:58] <wjp> and I have 92 of them :-)
[14:44:03] <Colourless> :-)
[14:44:06] <Colourless> crazy
[14:46:41] <wjp> it's amazing how much appraise skill matters, btw
[14:47:05] <wjp> the price difference between "the merchant's reaction is unfavorable" and "the merchant's reactions if favorable" is huge
[14:47:14] <wjp> s/s if/ is/
[14:49:04] <Colourless> yes it is
[14:50:10] <Colourless> and you can get different levels of favorable too
[14:51:00] <wjp> hm, really? the appraise skill description didn't mention that
[14:51:24] <wjp> is there any indication of that other than prices?
[14:51:32] <Colourless> no there isn't
[14:52:07] <wjp> maybe I should keep a single gem around to see just how favorable the current prices are :-)
[14:52:12] <Colourless> in chap 2 i could sell a diamond for maximum of 900 gold. In chap 3 i could sell for 1000
[14:53:05] <wjp> let's see... I get 1320 for an emerald from the djinni currently
[14:53:35] <Colourless> only 1320 for an emerald. That's not too good. You should get more than that
[14:53:37] <wjp> at unfavorable only 800
[14:53:55] <wjp> hm, really?
[14:54:04] <wjp> I'll have to increase my appraise skill a bit then, I guess
[14:54:17] <Colourless> i was easily getting 1500 for emeralds
[14:54:31] <Colourless> 2k for rubies
[14:55:35] <wjp> hm, your appraise was 9; mine's currently 6
[14:55:42] <wjp> although I do have gloves of appraisal
[14:55:47] <wjp> which puts it at 9 too
[14:55:58] <Colourless> i had those too :-)
[14:56:23] <wjp> only 4K to next level up... I'll put some more points in appraise then :-)
[14:56:27] <Colourless> dring an eagle splendor potion, see what happens
[14:58:19] <wjp> how to cheat merchant djinnis :-)
[14:58:58] * wjp rests to recharge djinni-bottle
[14:59:00] <Colourless> but there 'may' be artificial limits imposed
[14:59:22] <Colourless> checking in the toolset the merchant in chap3 has a markdown for buying at 50%
[14:59:46] <Colourless> while in chap 2, the merchants that i checked had a markdown of 35%
[15:00:00] <Colourless> which means that you can sell for more in chap3 vs chap2
[15:00:02] <wjp> oh yay, that increased my charisma by 2 whole points :-)
[15:00:13] <Colourless> the djinni may have a worse markdown
[15:00:15] <wjp> maybe I'll try this nymph's cloak +5 :-)
[15:01:23] <wjp> uh
[15:01:39] <wjp> let's see
[15:02:18] <Colourless> can you sell to the djinni on any map, or just a specific one?
[15:02:35] <wjp> any map
[15:02:52] <wjp> now he only buys emeralds for 1240
[15:03:39] <wjp> (and that's with higher int., cha. and appraise)
[15:03:45] <wjp> diamonds 620
[15:04:51] <wjp> ah... that high wizard in the city buys them for 1600+
[15:04:58] <wjp> 1680
[15:05:03] <wjp> diamonds at 840
[15:05:45] <Colourless> just curious. when you sell him a diamond, how much does it cost to buy it back
[15:06:10] <wjp> 2860
[15:06:10] <Colourless> actually nm
[15:06:48] <wjp> so, now I'll have to live with the fact that I probably got ripped off on those arrows of poison, even though I got about 200K for them :-)
[15:08:21] <Colourless> dimaonds for 840 is pretty good
[15:08:54] <Colourless> the standard value for a diamond is 2000 gp
[15:10:05] <Colourless> and i 'think' that neutral reaction from the high wizzard would only give you 700gp
[15:11:03] <Colourless> (which is 35% of actual value). your appraise skill is giving you an extra 7% value for that trader
[15:11:52] <wjp> oh yay, wild surges
[15:11:59] <wjp> (Shaori's fell wizard tower)
[15:12:04] <Colourless> yes I know :-)
[15:12:16] * wjp gets out his bow :-)
[15:12:55] <wjp> oh wow
[15:13:00] <wjp> nwn just crashed
[15:13:11] <Colourless> it was doing that for me too
[15:13:28] <wjp> in that tower or in general?
[15:13:39] <Colourless> just in that tower on the top level
[15:13:47] <wjp> "wild surge: segmentation fault" :-)
[15:14:05] <Colourless> running the game in Debug mode seemed to get me through it
[15:14:48] <Colourless> press ~ then type DebugMode 1 at the prompt if it keeps crashing for you to see if that gets you through it too
[15:21:05] <Colourless> what was happening for me was 'someone
[15:21:16] <Colourless> ' would seem to teleport in, and a 'time stop
[15:21:19] <Colourless> ' would occur
[15:21:38] <Colourless> it would then just crash
[15:21:59] * Colourless thinks he should reposition his hands slightly so enter isn't pressed when he hits the ' key
[15:24:54] <wjp> 'someone'? that red sister whose name I can't quite remember?
[15:25:10] <wjp> (at least time stop and teleporting sounds like typical behaviour for her :-) )
[15:25:16] <Colourless> i have no idea. it would crash before anything actually happened
[15:25:29] <Colourless> i would see the effect, then just boom
[15:25:35] <Colourless> that was my guess though
[15:26:31] * Colourless clarifies, he would see the effect only if things were running fast. if things were a little choppy frame rate wise, i would hear the sound and crash
[15:30:13] <Colourless> s/i would/he would/
[15:39:09] <wjp> cleared the tower without any more crashes
[15:40:08] <wjp> no teleports/time stops either, though
[15:40:55] <Colourless> i think on mine some script screwed up
[15:42:57] <Colourless> my save games of course were just before it crashed and 'a long time ago and i really didn't want to have to redo most/all of shaori's fell)
[15:43:49] <Colourless> i'm off now
[15:43:50] <Colourless> cya
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[18:42:24] <wjp> wow, the duergar merchant on the isle of the maker buys a single emerald for 3240
[18:42:42] <wjp> diamond for 1620
[18:44:57] <wjp> of course the problem with prices that high is that nearly every expensive item is over his limit of 10K
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[21:24:10] <edbgon> cool, you guys are on freenode too :) along with #gentoo... this works well
[21:25:00] <wjp> :-)
[21:28:59] <edbgon> so wjp, any development on pentagram as of late?
[21:33:31] <wjp> we worked quite a bit on it early december
[21:33:51] <wjp> or mid-december, actually
[21:33:57] <edbgon> cool
[21:34:00] <edbgon> any updates to cvs?
[21:34:40] <wjp> many
[21:35:18] <edbgon> woohoo, its compiling time
[21:39:10] <edbgon> hmm, I seem to need to install u8 yet again, whats the name of the extractor software again?
[21:51:00] <wjp> unarj? unpackshp?
[21:51:13] <edbgon> er... i mean the shapes decompressor
[21:51:27] <edbgon> yes, the module name for cvs
[21:51:37] <edbgon> but I think I have it now anyway :) thanks
[21:54:30] <edbgon> very informative FAQ by the way
[21:55:25] <wjp> isn't it? :-)
[21:56:58] <edbgon> hehehe
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