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[13:51:49] <Fingolfin> yo
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[18:11:14] <wjp> hi
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[22:51:37] <Guest225808> spoon!
[22:51:46] <Guest225808> hello :)
[22:51:53] <wjp> hi
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[22:52:10] <dex909> i thought this channel was empty, sorry for my stupid introduction ;)
[22:52:28] <wjp> sorry for the stupid topic ;-)
[22:52:31] <dex909> so you guys are the coders of "pentagram" ;)
[22:53:20] * wjp nods
[22:53:24] <dex909> at first i have to say - great! everyone tries to get the old ultimas working and noone seems to care about pagan. i think pagan is also a great ultima
[22:54:12] <wjp> the U8 engine is rather well-designed too
[22:56:12] <dex909> so i have a couple of questions, would you mind answering them ;9
[22:56:16] <dex909> ;)
[22:56:29] <wjp> that would depend on the questions :-)
[22:57:31] <dex909> hehe ;)
[22:57:47] <dex909> well at first, how far is this project yet?
[22:58:29] <dex909> not very far i guess ;)
[22:58:53] <wjp> well, quite far in some places; needs a lot of work in others
[22:59:53] <dex909> my second question would be, can you imagine porting this to other platforms like "pocket pc"
[23:01:42] * wjp hmms
[23:01:45] <wjp> not sure
[23:01:55] <wjp> maybe Colourless can tell you more about that, but he's not here right now
[23:02:41] <dex909> you said itīs far in some places, what do you mean exactly? is it already "playable"?
[23:03:02] <dex909> or is it intended to function only as a "viewingtool"?
[23:03:57] <wjp> last time I "played" it, I got past all the ancient necromancers in Vividos' quest
[23:04:09] <wjp> but combat is non-existant yet
[23:04:42] <dex909> ah, well impressive nontheless ;)
[23:04:58] <wjp> most conversations seem to be working
[23:04:58] <dex909> and when do you think it will be in a more playable stage?
[23:05:19] <dex909> cool, and items and inventory?
[23:05:37] <wjp> I'm really rather short on time currently (real-life stuff), so development is kind of slow at the moment
[23:05:44] <wjp> items and inventory should work mostly
[23:06:47] <dex909> sounds good ;) oh, and actually my last question, how to use it..? ;) i have the binary and (of course) u8 here, so what to do?
[23:07:41] <dex909> ah wait, thereīs a readme!
[23:08:32] <dex909> ok, got it ;)
[23:08:42] <dex909> looking awesome so far ;)
[23:10:34] <dex909> yes itīs really great! and it does feature music! very impressive ;)
[23:11:34] <wjp> press 'f' at the beginning to start the game the 'proper' way
[23:12:21] <dex909> where, when the console shows up?
[23:13:03] <wjp> after you stand up
[23:13:42] <wjp> it runs the sequence that should be started automatically when you start a new game
[23:14:19] <dex909> ah, you mean the intro?
[23:14:44] <wjp> well, the bit where you 'wake up' and talk to Devon
[23:14:50] <dex909> yes, i see!
[23:14:55] <dex909> works great ;)
[23:15:02] <dex909> so there is no combat yet?
[23:15:10] <wjp> no
[23:16:04] <wjp> you can enter combat mode with 'm', but it doesn't do anything
[23:16:50] <dex909> well, iīm still very impressed! good work overall ;) too bad i canīt play it on ppc yet ;)
[23:17:05] <dex909> colourless works in the exult team, right?
[23:17:17] <wjp> all of the pentagram developers do :-)
[23:17:22] <dex909> (iīm kinda new to this exult/pentagram stuff)
[23:17:27] <dex909> ah, i see!
[23:17:37] <dex909> hey, is there a ppc version of exult?
[23:17:49] <wjp> no
[23:17:54] <dex909> ha, thought so
[23:18:03] <Dominus> probably won't be
[23:18:09] <wjp> although there is a version for the Sharp Zaurus
[23:18:23] <dex909> why "wonīt be"? too difficult?
[23:18:33] <Dominus> although Pentagram might be closer to have a port than exult
[23:18:36] <wjp> I think the main problem was the brokenness of the compiler
[23:18:43] <Dominus> yup
[23:19:00] <Dominus> and some other stuff Colourless ran into
[23:19:04] <dex909> ah, i understand.. oh well ;)
[23:19:16] <dex909> anyways great project guys!
[23:19:23] <wjp> some more info: http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?f=1&i=16433&t=16397
[23:19:42] <dex909> thanks ;)
[23:19:54] <Dominus> not to mention the horrendous demands Pentagram will probably have on RAM and processing power :-)
[23:20:01] <wjp> (just don't read too far down in that thread, since it degenerates into a forum discussion fairly soon :-) )
[23:20:19] <Dominus> but the definite answer lies with Colourless
[23:20:35] <wjp> we do use rather obscene amounts of RAM, yes :-)
[23:21:11] <wjp> (30-40Mb)
[23:21:45] <dex909> ok, i read a bit, itīs not easy.. mmh, well my ppc has around 40mb free ;) asus a620
[23:22:16] <dex909> ok, well then i can only say "keep up the good work" ;) iīll check your site from time to time
[23:22:46] <Dominus> thanks, I'm sure in time Pagan will resurface in all its glory
[23:23:08] <dex909> mmh, but.. what can i do to play pagan for now? i have winxp, quite impossible isnīt it..
[23:23:35] <wjp> how fast is your pc?
[23:24:10] <dex909> well 2,5 gig p4, 512mb ram
[23:24:19] <wjp> you could try dosbox (dosbox.sf.net)
[23:24:25] <wjp> the latest version runs u8
[23:24:29] <dex909> an emulator?
[23:24:31] <dex909> well
[23:24:34] <Dominus> it should be able to run u8
[23:24:35] <wjp> and with 2.5Ghz it might be fast enough
[23:24:37] <dex909> does it run with MIDI
[23:24:45] <dex909> or only soundblaster?
[23:24:49] <Dominus> yes with midi and SFX
[23:24:51] <dex909> because i like the music
[23:24:54] <dex909> really?
[23:25:01] <dex909> now thatīs interesting!!
[23:25:23] <Dominus> there is also http://members.iinet.net.au/~rsd/U8inWindows.html
[23:25:43] <wjp> did that work in 2000/XP ?
[23:25:46] <Dominus> which makes it possible to play u8 in Windows (even on XP) and with Vdms
[23:25:52] <dex909> ah yes, i know that one, doesnīt work in xp unless you get lots of tools for sound emulation.
[23:25:52] <Dominus> you can have music
[23:26:09] <Dominus> only one tool (VDMS) required
[23:26:19] <dex909> yes vdms, donīt want all that stuff to install etc.
[23:26:21] <Dominus> but no sfx/voice
[23:26:24] <dex909> mmh
[23:26:34] <dex909> dosbox - does it need any other tools?
[23:26:42] <dex909> or is it "all in one"?
[23:26:42] <Dominus> but dosbox is fine and should be fast enough on your machine
[23:26:45] <Dominus> only dosbox
[23:27:05] <wjp> it's just a tad too slow on my Athlon 1800, so you should be fine
[23:27:36] <wjp> the audio lag is kind of annoying, though
[23:27:42] <dex909> wow, itīs free?
[23:27:44] <dex909> cool!
[23:27:46] <dex909> audio lag??
[23:27:53] <Dominus> audio lag??
[23:27:55] <Dominus> :-)
[23:28:01] <Dominus> don't get one here
[23:28:05] <wjp> hm, linux-specific?
[23:28:10] <wjp> ah well :-)
[23:28:24] <wjp> footsteps are about exactly one footstep behind
[23:31:00] <dex909> ah i see ;)
[23:31:21] <dex909> ok, i have dosbox open, iīm about to mount the ultima directory, anything else needed to do here?
[23:32:25] <dex909> ok, it starts..
[23:32:40] <dex909> and starts..
[23:32:44] <Dominus> he he
[23:32:51] <wjp> ctrl-f12 speeds it up
[23:33:02] <Dominus> you have to raise cycles (like wjp just said)
[23:33:06] <dex909> ah!! intro pictures!!
[23:33:17] <dex909> sound!!
[23:33:18] <wjp> and ctrl-f8 reduces the frequence with which the screen is updated (which speeds it up as well)
[23:33:26] <wjp> s/frequence/frequency/
[23:33:54] <Dominus> but when the game is too slow later on, you might have to lower the cycles via ctrl+f11
[23:34:09] <dex909> oh, there is no sound fx?
[23:34:11] <Dominus> it is sometimes a bit tricky to get the correct cycles rate :-)
[23:34:29] <dex909> ah yes!! in the u8 config, which soundcard does dosbox emulate?
[23:34:39] <Dominus> you have to enable sfx and you have to have them enabled in the u8 setup
[23:34:40] <wjp> most of them, I think
[23:34:53] <Dominus> soundblaster pro works, I think, irq 7
[23:35:02] <dex909> cool!
[23:35:38] <dex909> well, nothing against the graphic enhancements and speed of your port ;)
[23:35:47] <dex909> but i can finally play pagan!
[23:35:53] <dex909> you helped me quite a lot ;)
[23:36:28] <Dominus> expect the bill in your mail in a couple of days :-(
[23:36:32] <Dominus> I meant :-)
[23:36:47] <wjp> Dominus: hey, you make a profit? I want in! ;-)
[23:37:08] <dex909> hehe ;
[23:37:10] <dex909> )
[23:37:27] <Dominus> you have to set up donations on sf if you want in wjp :-)
[23:37:50] <dex909> hey, it runs quite ok on a duron 900 too! well, slow of course, but not unplayable it seems.
[23:38:59] <dex909> ha, sound is working thanks for your tips ;)
[23:40:32] <dex909> ok at 0 frameskip it is not playable on a duron 900 ;)
[23:40:50] <dex909> well, iīll go over to my p4 now, thanks again!
[23:41:11] <wjp> hehe, enjoy :-)
[23:41:24] <dex909> of course ;) bye!
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