#pentagram@irc.freenode.net logs for 28 May 2004 (GMT)

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[12:38:44] <sbx> hi ElleVeeDee
[12:38:47] <ElleVeeDee> howdy neighbours.
[12:38:50] <ElleVeeDee> or some such.
[12:39:11] <ElleVeeDee> 'ts happenin' in da wurld today then?
[12:39:38] <sbx> don't look at me
[12:39:40] <sbx> ?logs
[12:39:40] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/pentagramlog.php
[12:39:46] * ElleVeeDee tries to not stare at sbx
[12:39:47] <sbx> :-)
[12:40:24] <ElleVeeDee> ?chocolate
[12:40:28] <ElleVeeDee> dang it.
[12:53:28] <ElleVeeDee> The Day After Tomorrow.... that'd be Sunday, eh?
[12:53:38] <sbx> no that's saturday
[12:53:43] <sbx> but its really friday
[12:53:51] <sbx> whether or not its sunday for you :p
[12:54:49] <ElleVeeDee> well, today is friday. tomorrow is saturday. Should mean that the day after tomorrow is sunday.
[12:54:55] <ElleVeeDee> Then again, I only have half a brain.
[12:55:12] <sbx> What happened to the rest?
[12:55:19] <ElleVeeDee> the cat ate it.
[12:55:29] <ElleVeeDee> shouldn't leave those things lying around.
[12:55:31] <sbx> Sorry I asked
[12:55:43] <sbx> Darke is interested in that kind of stuff :)
[12:55:57] <ElleVeeDee> he's weird.
[12:56:03] * ElleVeeDee giggles. twice.
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[13:31:33] <Colourless> hi
[13:31:46] <sbx|afk> hi
[13:31:57] <ElleVeeDee> navy beans.
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[13:37:57] <wjp> hi
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[17:20:40] <OGl> good day :)
[17:20:54] <OGl> well can i ask fome some help with pentagram?
[17:20:55] <OGl> :)
[17:21:02] <wjp> hi
[17:21:08] <wjp> sure :-)
[17:21:34] <OGl> well
[17:21:45] <OGl> ./bootstrap
[17:21:49] <OGl> and then...
[17:21:52] <OGl> ./bootstrap: aclocal: command not found
[17:21:52] <OGl> ./bootstrap: test: /usr/local/share/aclocal: unary operator expected
[17:21:59] <OGl> ./bootstrap: aclocal: command not found
[17:21:59] <OGl> autoheader2.50: `misc/config.h.in' is unchanged
[17:22:03] <wjp> install automake
[17:22:05] <OGl> configure.ac:247: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_SDL
[17:22:24] <OGl> hummmm
[17:22:32] <OGl> well im doing this right now
[17:22:58] <OGl> and i have sdl-config in /usr/local/bin/sdl-config
[17:23:02] <OGl> :/
[17:23:09] <wjp> if that's in your path then that's not a problem
[17:23:29] <wjp> that AM_PATH_SDL error is because you don't have aclocal, which is a part of automake
[17:23:38] <OGl> ohhhh
[17:23:41] <OGl> now thats ok
[17:23:47] <OGl> thanks ;D
[17:24:00] <OGl> im crazy to play u8 again
[17:24:05] <OGl> :~~~~~~~~
[17:24:10] <wjp> well, pentagram isn't really playable yet
[17:24:23] <wjp> so don't expect to much yet :-)
[17:24:29] <wjp> s/to/too/
[17:25:28] <OGl> what do you mean by playable? :D
[17:25:59] <wjp> you can walk around and talk to people, but combat isn't working yet, the interface isn't complete yet, object interaction isn't fully working yet, etc...
[17:26:28] <OGl> cpp0: Too many arguments
[17:26:29] <OGl> make: *** [misc/Args.o] Error 1
[17:26:32] <OGl> o_O
[17:26:49] <wjp> anything above that?
[17:26:59] <wjp> which platform are you on?
[17:27:07] <OGl> -remap Remap file names when including files.
[17:27:07] <OGl> -h or --help Display this information
[17:27:07] <OGl> cpp0: Too many arguments
[17:27:26] <OGl> linux debian i386
[17:27:52] <wjp> any commandline above?
[17:28:03] <wjp> which compiler?
[17:29:00] <OGl> :)g++ --version
[17:29:01] <OGl> 2.95.4
[17:29:09] <wjp> oh, 2.95 won't work
[17:29:16] <wjp> you need 3.x
[17:29:22] <OGl> dooh
[17:29:26] <OGl> hehe
[17:29:37] <wjp> 2.95's "advanced" C++ support is lacking
[17:29:37] <OGl> you are one who codes?
[17:29:41] <wjp> yes
[17:30:14] <OGl> hummmm
[17:30:33] <OGl> well
[17:30:39] <OGl> i would like to help some way...
[17:30:52] <OGl> if you think i can
[17:31:01] * ElleVeeDee usually hands out fruitbaskets...
[17:31:11] <wjp> ElleVeeDee: and they're much appreciated :-)
[17:31:19] <ElleVeeDee> i should think so! ;-)
[17:32:08] <wjp> OGl: if you want, you should take a look at pentagram's internals and see if there's anything you want to improve or implement
[17:32:17] <OGl> ohhhhh
[17:32:20] <OGl> i will
[17:32:32] <wjp> or try to get a feel for the code; you can of course always ask questions if you need pointers
[17:32:33] <OGl> :)
[17:32:44] <OGl> yes
[17:32:55] <ElleVeeDee> how 'bout a fullmap/glob extractor... ;-)
[17:33:06] <OGl> the guys here... they're all coders?
[17:33:08] <wjp> we don't really have a fixed plan on who does what, and what will be done when, so it's basically just everybody doing what they want :-)
[17:33:18] <ElleVeeDee> hence the fruitbaskets.
[17:33:45] <wjp> Colourless, Darke, watt and me are the main pentagram developers currently
[17:35:49] <OGl> wjp "doing what they want :-)" that sounds good
[17:35:50] <OGl> :D
[17:35:54] <OGl> how old are you guys?
[17:35:55] <OGl> :)
[17:36:01] <wjp> I'm 23
[17:36:13] <ElleVeeDee> and I'm the opposite.
[17:36:23] <OGl> what do you mean?
[17:36:36] <ElleVeeDee> my age is the palindrom of 23...
[17:36:41] <wjp> I hope it won't stay that way or you'll get 10 years older next month ;-)
[17:36:43] <ElleVeeDee> palindrome? dang spelling!
[17:37:05] <OGl> hehe :)
[17:37:07] <ElleVeeDee> aah!! not again, i just aged 1 year a week ago. Another 10 you say!?!?
[17:37:26] <ElleVeeDee> makes me think of Warlock...
[17:37:38] <wjp> a belated happy birthday, then :-)
[17:37:48] <ElleVeeDee> merci, merci.
[17:38:25] <OGl> well, you guys know what is doing Richard Garriot?
[17:38:36] <wjp> Tabula Rasa, last I heard
[17:38:48] <wjp> OGl: how old are you?
[17:38:54] <OGl> just 20
[17:38:56] <ElleVeeDee> yes, he always refuses my fruit. says he wants a clean slate - ALL the time.
[17:39:25] <OGl> Tabula Rasa huh...
[17:39:59] <OGl> what you think about Ultima X?
[17:40:26] <OGl> Ultima IX sucks a lot
[17:40:50] <ElleVeeDee> aaaw... don't say that.
[17:41:36] <OGl> ickes
[17:41:54] <OGl> why not?
[17:41:55] <OGl> :D
[17:42:29] <ElleVeeDee> I enjoyed it enough to not wish it out of existence.
[17:43:15] <ElleVeeDee> sure, it was not playable back when i bought it. but today, it's a neat game I'd say.
[17:43:19] * ElleVeeDee has seen lots worse...
[17:43:59] <ElleVeeDee> what can you tell me/us about UX? I know practically nothing of it...
[17:44:09] <OGl> well my dog loves U9
[17:44:17] <ElleVeeDee> dogs are the DEVIL!
[17:44:36] <OGl> no
[17:44:39] <watt> "what do you mean by playable?" - I think that really should end up in the FAQ
[17:44:44] <Colourless> i thought cats were the devils pets
[17:44:45] <watt> hi guys
[17:44:47] <OGl> i love my good friend spark :D
[17:45:31] <ElleVeeDee> i might've confused man's best friend with hellhounds... i'm not sure anymore.
[17:45:34] <watt> Colourless: dogs are the devil and cats are the devil's pets.
[17:45:35] <ElleVeeDee> must be all the fruit.
[17:45:45] <OGl> lol
[17:46:07] * ElleVeeDee throws the rest of his bananas to the Umberhulk next to him.
[17:46:41] <OGl> my dog spark has a bed, made with cds
[17:46:42] <wjp> ElleVeeDee: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/ultimaxodyssey/index.html
[17:46:46] <OGl> one of them is u9
[17:47:05] <ElleVeeDee> shouldn't there be at least two?
[17:47:33] <OGl> yep
[17:47:46] <OGl> the another one i dont know where it is...
[17:47:59] <ElleVeeDee> see, that's prolly why the game sucked for you.
[17:48:18] <ElleVeeDee> thanks for the link, btw.
[17:48:26] <OGl> look
[17:48:31] <OGl> play u7
[17:48:40] <ElleVeeDee> what, again?
[17:48:40] <wjp> oh, I've played quite enough of U7 :-)
[17:48:40] <OGl> and them youll see what is Ultima :D
[17:48:48] <OGl> hooooo
[17:48:51] <OGl> hehehhe
[17:49:00] <ElleVeeDee> i know this is the wrong channel to say this, but U8 is the one I dislike the most.
[17:49:10] <OGl> but so you think the same as me
[17:49:20] <ElleVeeDee> no, I don't like dogs.
[17:49:27] <OGl> lol
[17:49:38] <wjp> but there are no dogs in U8! :-)
[17:49:54] <ElleVeeDee> ooh, i've contradicted myself then, haven't I?
[17:50:04] * ElleVeeDee tries to understand what just transpired...
[17:50:15] <wjp> you just disappeared in a puff of logic
[17:50:33] <wjp> (faulty logic, luckily, so you're still here :-) )
[17:50:35] <ElleVeeDee> you mean dog-gas?
[17:50:37] <watt> I just keep my pet torax.. they smell funny
[17:50:38] <ElleVeeDee> ah.
[17:51:00] <OGl> well, to pick gcc3 i need unstable
[17:51:15] <wjp> debian stable seriously still has gcc 2.95?
[17:51:23] <OGl> maybe i cant go back if i do that
[17:51:24] <watt> crazy.
[17:51:26] <OGl> yep
[17:51:27] <OGl> :(
[17:51:28] <wjp> wow
[17:51:58] <OGl> i have freebsd here
[17:52:51] <OGl> the pc with debian is friend`s one :D
[17:53:08] <wjp> doesn't pentagram work on freebsd?
[17:53:49] <OGl> g++ (GCC) 3.3.3 [FreeBSD] 20031106
[17:53:52] <OGl> let me see
[17:54:47] <wjp> that one should be fine
[17:54:52] <OGl> Initial preparation...this can take awhile, so sit tight...
[17:54:52] <OGl> libtoolize: not found
[17:54:52] <OGl> configure.ac:3: warning: do not use m4_patsubst: use patsubst or m4_bpatsubst
[17:54:52] <OGl> configure.ac:365: warning: do not use m4_regexp: use regexp or m4_bregexp
[17:54:53] <OGl> autoheader: `misc/config.h.in' is unchanged
[17:55:15] <OGl> libtool
[17:55:20] <OGl> and?
[17:55:25] <wjp> it isn't _really_ needed if you don't want to install it
[17:55:36] <watt> wow, debian is behind the times.. there's the concept of not upgrading to keep stability.. but eep!
[17:55:46] <wjp> if you copy config.guess and config.sub in from another project it won't need libtoolize
[17:56:04] <wjp> I'll probably commit those two to CVS sometime
[17:56:36] <wjp> which autoconf version do you have?
[17:57:08] <OGl> autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.53
[17:57:10] <OGl> :)
[17:57:19] <wjp> hm, and that's giving warnings?
[17:57:52] <OGl> is what it seems
[17:58:11] <OGl> and sorry by my english
[17:58:14] <OGl> im brazilian ;)
[17:58:23] <wjp> your english is fine :-)
[17:58:42] <OGl> thanks
[17:58:43] <OGl> :)
[17:58:46] <watt> better than mine probably. :-)
[17:58:50] <ElleVeeDee> except for your U9 issues, I like you plenty. Here, have an apple.
[17:58:56] <OGl> yore from?
[17:59:03] <wjp> I'm from the netherlands
[17:59:12] * ElleVeeDee is swedish.
[17:59:15] <OGl> wow
[17:59:15] <ElleVeeDee> Quebec here.
[17:59:37] <OGl> apple rox
[17:59:41] <watt> I'm in the US.
[18:00:00] <OGl> i would like to buy u7 again
[18:00:07] <OGl> but i cant find it anywhere
[18:00:17] <OGl> and worse... im in brazil
[18:00:18] * wjp only has about 4 copies of U7... ;-)
[18:00:19] <OGl> hehe
[18:00:24] <ElleVeeDee> there's always the Ultima Collection.
[18:00:29] <ElleVeeDee> And the Complete U7 and such.
[18:00:48] * ElleVeeDee has both. Well, 2 UC's. Silly U9!!
[18:01:15] <OGl> here, we dont have ultima collection neither the complete to sell
[18:01:19] <OGl> :(
[18:01:25] <ElleVeeDee> oh. sorry bout that.
[18:01:32] <wjp> I have to go; bye
[18:01:37] <ElleVeeDee> ta taa
[18:01:38] <OGl> no problem
[18:01:43] <OGl> good bye
[18:01:53] <OGl> i have to import from us
[18:02:56] <ElleVeeDee> if you can get your hands on an U9 Dragon Edition, it comes with UC.
[18:03:05] <ElleVeeDee> Maybe the normal U9 did too?
[18:03:08] * ElleVeeDee is not too sure about that.
[18:03:40] <OGl> no
[18:03:45] <OGl> :(
[18:05:02] <watt> http://www.buy-anything-online.com/videogames/prod/3jdx1bbIsj/Ultima-Collection/
[18:05:58] <ElleVeeDee> I agree with this:
[18:05:59] <ElleVeeDee> 1) Missing some of the other great ultima games (worlds of ultima, ultima underworld)
[18:06:28] <ElleVeeDee> UW1+2 is something I need to get my hands on.
[18:20:42] * watt hmms. Probably a good time to commit the initial version of flexpack.
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[18:23:54] <watt> or not.. everyone's going.
[18:23:58] <watt> meh.
[18:24:06] <ElleVeeDee> fruit?
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[22:57:50] <wjp> watt: did you decide on a place to put flexpack yet?
[22:57:57] <wjp> I would probably suggest tools/flexpack/ :-)