#pentagram@irc.freenode.net logs for 30 Sep 2007 (GMT)

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[00:17:28] <SB-X> http://log.usecode.org/pentagramlog.php?log=29Sep2007
[00:17:35] <SB-X> Mrrrr: um, what?
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[00:25:30] <Mrrrr> err? :/
[00:25:32] <Mrrrr> Riiight
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[07:38:37] <Monochrome> oh hay
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[08:41:01] <pupnik> why don't you do some fucking work on pentagram
[08:47:34] <Darklock> original Ultima Underworld I and II is mine :)
[08:47:58] <Darklock> well, a collection box
[08:49:13] <pupnik> ehat price?
[08:49:18] <pupnik> i saw it at 19 eu ro so
[08:49:30] <Darklock> 20.50
[08:52:36] <Darklock> the next Ultima Collection is already at 30.50
[08:52:41] <pupnik> wow i thought it would go up a lot more
[08:53:38] <pupnik> all i need now is U7 BG/SI
[08:54:36] <Darklock> there is one for SP/SI, starts at just 65.00 €! ;)
[08:55:16] <pupnik> heh
[08:58:47] <pupnik> i have to sleep, then learn some hildon crap, then integrate pentagram better
[08:59:44] <pupnik> for exult there is a lot of playability crap to solve
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[10:47:12] <wjp> hi Fingolfin
[10:48:31] <Fingolfin> hi willem!
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[11:05:50] <Monochrome> what's with you and original ultimas?
[11:06:03] <Monochrome> most of them are so easy to get
[11:06:32] <Monochrome> well, except for those freaky ones like savage empire or revenge of the enchantress
[12:06:20] <Monochrome> hello? anyone?
[12:07:47] <Fingolfin> lots of people are in here, but so far you didn't really say anything requiring a comment, did you?
[12:08:23] <Monochrome> well actually i did
[12:08:53] <Monochrome> we could simply discuss how difficult/easy it is to find certain versions of ultima
[12:09:37] <Monochrome> its a simple a matter of regular chatting
[12:09:52] <Monochrome> since most people here arent that busy aswell
[12:12:10] <Monochrome> also you werent here when they were discussing original ultima purchases
[12:12:26] <Monochrome> so basically i was continuing an already spawned conversation
[12:15:17] <Monochrome> unless you are not particullary fond of such conversation
[12:15:31] <Monochrome> one can always change the topic
[12:16:15] <Monochrome> but then again judging by your current idleness i suppose you're not really the chatting type
[12:16:42] <Monochrome> still, in case anyone is interested
[12:17:19] <Monochrome> even if no one isnt, at least i can always entertain myself for few seconds while typing these lines
[12:17:50] <Monochrome> yesterday we were having a nice discussion about major ultima 8 flaws and should they have been fixed
[12:18:09] <Monochrome> comparing it with other games, ultima and non ultima related
[12:18:13] <Monochrome> it was nice
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[15:53:46] <pupnik> <DannyB> some girl on the street asked if i was saved yet
[15:53:48] <pupnik> <DannyB> i told her i saved at the checkpoint a couple minutes back
[15:53:53] <pupnik> <DannyB> and can reload from there if i die
[15:53:55] <pupnik> <DannyB> she was confused
[15:55:23] <Mrrrr> rofl
[15:58:15] <Monochrome> meh
[15:58:24] <Monochrome> bash worthy but not priceless
[15:58:31] <Monochrome> the answer was too obvious
[15:58:38] <pupnik> it's actually from bash
[15:58:53] <Mrrrr> yeha sounded like bash
[15:59:04] <Monochrome> ye, that's why i said bash worthy
[16:00:50] <pupnik> i hate being too lazy to work on stuff
[16:00:55] <Monochrome> though tbh i think a lot of bash quotes never actually happened
[16:01:33] <Monochrome> but they still have some epic quotes
[16:01:49] <Monochrome> "emo is goth on 1000 calories a day"
[16:02:57] <Monochrome> the wand per wang replacement on harry potter quotes
[16:03:35] <Monochrome> the "why isnt sperm sweet if it has sugar" story
[16:03:59] <pupnik> that story was passed around in my grade school - in like 1983
[16:04:05] <lupine_85> snopes
[16:04:12] <lupine_85> etc
[16:04:18] <Monochrome> its still epic
[16:04:36] <lupine_85> in that case, epic has gone awfully downhill :/
[16:04:39] <pupnik> apparently
[16:04:56] <Monochrome> perhaps it happened one day
[16:04:58] <Monochrome> who knows
[16:05:03] <lupine_85> so, about that ultima, eh?
[16:05:22] <Monochrome> same old
[16:05:25] <Monochrome> same old
[16:05:58] <pupnik> what are the main things you miss in pentagram?
[16:06:19] <Monochrome> dead and burried untill EA decides to recycle its corpse and tie a pretty little red ribbon around it and sell it like a novelty to 12 year olds
[16:06:25] <lupine_85> is there... anything missing/
[16:06:25] <pupnik> i scored that Ultima 8 for 1 euro and 54 cents btw
[16:06:43] <Monochrome> original box included?
[16:06:45] <pupnik> no
[16:06:54] <Monochrome> it fails then
[16:06:58] <pupnik> from the website it says monster AI is not fleshed out yet
[16:07:11] <pupnik> it means i have a legal copy then
[16:07:17] <Monochrome> what site?
[16:07:24] <lupine_85> ah, ISTR that from earlier. and I made a disparaging remark about the original AI
[16:07:32] <pupnik> pentagram homepage
[16:07:50] <Monochrome> bah "legal" copies
[16:07:59] <lupine_85> I still have my original CD
[16:08:01] <Monochrome> like if EA bursted into your house to arrest you
[16:08:11] <lupine_85> bought it... oooh... years and years ago
[16:08:41] <lupine_85> incidentally, has anyone tried the NWN U8 module?
[16:08:46] <pupnik> well i can also test the german version now with pentagram
[16:08:49] <pupnik> not here
[16:08:49] <Monochrome> lupine_85 yes
[16:09:01] <lupine_85> any good?
[16:09:07] <Monochrome> never tried
[16:09:14] <Monochrome> i only know it exists
[16:09:20] <lupine_85> ...
[16:09:27] <Monochrome> google for it
[16:09:34] <lupine_85> [17:08] <lupine_85> incidentally, has anyone tried the NWN U8 module?
[16:09:42] <lupine_85> [17:08] <lupine_85> any good?
[16:09:43] <Monochrome> oh sorry
[16:09:46] <lupine_85> :p
[16:09:47] <Monochrome> misread :p
[16:10:26] <Monochrome> well. everytime i play ultima 8 i feel sorry for it
[16:10:32] <Monochrome> it could have been so much better
[16:10:37] <Monochrome> fucking EA bastards
[16:11:07] <Monochrome> one of these days i swear i'll bust inside their office and ass-rape them with a rusty crowbar
[16:11:37] <Monochrome> 10 times for origin and 10 other times for bullfrog
[16:11:43] <pupnik> Making games can be very trying
[16:12:10] <Monochrome> they'll be farting rust for week after that
[16:12:15] <Monochrome> pupnik your point is?
[16:12:28] <Darklock> there were even ultima mangas O.o
[16:12:37] * lupine_85 rolls a D3 to determine Monochrome's age
[16:12:39] <Monochrome> w00t?!
[16:12:50] <lupine_85> ooh, manga. named?
[16:13:01] <Darklock> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima#Related_media
[16:13:25] <lupine_85> thanks
[16:13:46] <pupnik> i really hate napoleon producers most
[16:14:05] <lupine_85> hmm. would it be うるちま ?
[16:14:14] <lupine_85> uruchima
[16:14:39] <lupine_85> hehe
[16:15:01] <lupine_85> well, ウルチマ, I guess
[16:16:28] <Monochrome> too bad no one ever made a ultima VIII diablo mod
[16:16:55] <Monochrome> though i seem to forget if it is possible to edit char sprites
[16:16:58] <Monochrome> but i think it is
[16:17:11] <lupine_85> hmm
[16:17:14] <lupine_85> urgh
[16:19:41] <Monochrome> its probably the engine that would better fit u8's ambience
[16:25:30] <Darklock> pupnik: do you want the The Complete Ultima VII CD in two hours?
[16:25:58] <Monochrome> including the forge of virtue and the silver seed?
[16:27:11] <Darklock> hai
[16:27:23] <Darklock> it is just in a jewel case though
[16:27:44] <Monochrome> jewel case?
[16:28:13] <Darklock> the thing CDs are in usually
[16:28:24] <Monochrome> oh
[16:29:14] <Monochrome> its more worthwhile to get the ultima collection from amazon
[16:29:32] <pupnik> amazon.de doesn't have it last i checked
[16:29:40] <Monochrome> when i want it original i like it pretty
[16:29:53] <Monochrome> i prefer it illegal than to the single CD
[16:30:05] <Monochrome> *single original
[16:30:10] <Darklock> from 74.90 € up
[16:30:15] <Darklock> no thanks :D
[16:30:29] <Monochrome> lol, i once saw a copy of u8 NRFB
[16:30:30] <pupnik> Darklock: eventually i do want a U7 cd but if you want this one i will not bid
[16:30:37] <Monochrome> on ebay
[16:30:42] <Darklock> no, not necessarily
[16:31:03] <Darklock> I will try to get the next dragon edition that is up, without box
[16:31:05] <pupnik> it is already at 4.60 and that is close to the most i would pay
[16:31:19] <pupnik> dragon edition is better? bugfixes?
[16:31:29] <Monochrome> hum not that i know
[16:31:33] <Darklock> it has the collection included :p
[16:31:37] <Monochrome> dragon edition only has a couple of extras
[16:31:38] <pupnik> ok
[16:31:43] <Monochrome> and it included a pretty coin
[16:32:12] <Monochrome> gr8 for collectors, but not much of real content added to the game itself
[16:32:30] <Monochrome> on u9 i think they released both editions, regular and dragon, at the saem time
[16:32:38] <Darklock> pupnik: oh it is ultima ix if you did not know
[16:32:39] <Monochrome> so not even bugfixes
[16:33:35] <pupnik> oh i bought Ultima IX long ago - never finished
[16:33:55] <lupine_85> I had to resort to a walking-on-air cheat to complete it
[16:33:58] <lupine_85> buggy as fsck
[16:34:34] <Monochrome> the story also sucks
[16:34:45] <Monochrome> ultima IX was pretty much ruined by everyone
[16:34:52] <Monochrome> its not just EA to blame
[16:35:08] <Monochrome> the fans had part on it too
[16:35:25] <pupnik> heh
[16:36:57] <Monochrome> if the ultima fans werent such a bunch of "never-gonna-get-laid omfg ultima 8 suxx" whinners
[16:37:28] <Monochrome> i bet ultima 9 would have come a lot better
[16:37:44] <Monochrome> the first two initial story settings for ultima 9 were awsome
[16:38:52] <Monochrome> and if the fans didnt bitched about u8 so much, the u9 disaster would have never happened
[16:39:21] <Monochrome> i mean, i myself admit the game as massive flaws, but those bastards trash even the concept itself
[16:39:50] <Monochrome> stuff like "omfg, were are the character portraits?"
[16:40:05] <Monochrome> WHO CARES ABOUT THE FUCKING CHAR PORTRAITS!?
[16:40:11] <Monochrome> personally i hated them on u7
[16:40:21] <Monochrome> made everyone look like retards
[16:48:51] <pupnik> heh
[16:49:51] <lupine_85> the U9 avatar sucked
[16:50:01] <Mrrrr> no way
[16:50:07] <Mrrrr> the u7 blonde guy portrait
[16:50:09] <Mrrrr> was so awesome
[16:50:17] <Mrrrr> you could look at it and be like
[16:50:24] <Mrrrr> "Man... I really look like a cock :D"
[17:01:03] <Monochrome> well, main char portraits were perhaps the only ones that looked decent
[17:01:08] <Monochrome> the rest of 'em sucked
[17:01:24] <Monochrome> its perhaps what i hated most on u7
[17:01:39] <Monochrome> char portraits and illegible medieval font
[17:02:20] <Monochrome> i always prefered to have the conversation text on the top of the chars, like on monkey island
[17:03:07] <Monochrome> the absence of char portraits also helped a lot on the dark creepy ambience of u8
[17:03:26] <Monochrome> since without the portraits everyone seemed more distant, less trustworthy
[17:09:15] <Monochrome> i really loved the u8 ambience. it was the best of the saga.
[18:16:38] <Darklock> pupnik: 7.50, you still want to bid? ;)
[18:26:45] <Darklock> some *peep*hole raised it to 15.00, so it was not cheap
[18:26:48] <Darklock> oh well
[18:27:12] <Darklock> but ebay can be fun if you have some spare money ;)
[18:27:20] <Darklock> well
[18:27:22] <Darklock> not ebay
[18:27:26] <Darklock> just the auctions
[18:28:33] <pupnik> no way too spensive
[18:28:48] <Monochrome> yeah
[18:28:56] <Monochrome> i'm buying some vintage legos right now
[18:29:01] <Monochrome> i'm a collector lol
[18:30:04] <pupnik> Yeah i wish i'd kept original boxes of stuff now
[18:30:40] <pupnik> only thing i ever bought and never opened was a copy of the 2CD set of The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld
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[19:08:51] <Darklock> for some strange reason I bid on a used Ultima V for C64 now
[19:09:04] <lupine_85> woo
[19:09:08] <lupine_85> tape?
[19:09:42] <Darklock> 5 ½" floppies
[19:10:06] <Darklock> was it even released on tape? :P
[19:10:10] <lupine_85> dunno
[19:10:28] <Darklock> oh and I got it, for 12.36 €
[19:11:13] <Darklock> with some seven games C64 compilation consisting of to me totally unkown games
[19:11:48] <Darklock> I think I should stop this
[19:12:45] <Monochrome> i know a guy who owns a copy of every single ultima in existance
[19:12:50] <Monochrome> with boxes
[19:13:14] <lupine_85> I always throw the boxes away
[19:13:21] <lupine_85> /always/
[19:13:31] <Darklock> I know one such guy to be ;)
[19:13:41] <Darklock> stuped lupine_85 :O
[19:13:53] <lupine_85> I don't have space
[19:13:58] <Darklock> yes..
[19:14:04] <Darklock> big problem here too
[19:14:10] <lupine_85> almost all my data CDs & DVDs are stored in a single ring binder-type folder
[19:14:14] <Darklock> I thew out my sister
[19:14:54] <Monochrome> this guy i was talking about even has a original copy of alkalabeth
[19:14:58] <Monochrome> no frekin joke
[19:15:22] <lupine_85> hmm. If I threw my sister out, I'd have space for a pile of cardboard too
[19:15:32] <Darklock> well, of course, it would not be complete otherwise
[19:15:46] <Darklock> Oh. My. God.
[19:15:55] <Monochrome> what
[19:17:05] <Monochrome> you found something?
[19:17:14] <Darklock> I thought I would watch an auction for original used ultima vii and part 2 mint and see how nobody bid on it since it started at 65 € - someone did :O
[19:17:41] <Monochrome> ye
[19:17:48] <Monochrome> there are nerds for that kind of shit
[19:17:52] <Monochrome> amazing isnt it?
[19:17:58] <Darklock> frightening
[19:17:59] <Monochrome> i got my heart broken a few mins ago aswell
[19:18:12] <Monochrome> i was trying to bid for a classic lego space set
[19:18:15] <Monochrome> from 1984
[19:18:29] <Monochrome> included box but it was removed
[19:18:37] <Monochrome> 2 bids 7.54 euro
[19:18:47] <Darklock> awww
[19:18:50] <Darklock> there there
[19:18:58] <Monochrome> i went on, bidded till 10 euro
[19:19:16] <Monochrome> his bid was still superior
[19:19:29] <Monochrome> so i was like, "ye its a nifty set"
[19:19:35] <Monochrome> "makes sense"
[19:19:40] <Monochrome> so i kept bidding
[19:19:52] <Monochrome> when it pasted 25 euro i was like "wtf?"
[19:20:00] <Monochrome> his bid was still superior
[19:20:14] <Monochrome> i mean the max i ever gave for a lego set was 39 euro
[19:20:28] <Monochrome> for a rare space ship from 1978
[19:20:53] <Monochrome> so for this set i was bidding i actually reached the 32 euro!
[19:20:59] <Monochrome> and his bid was still superior!
[19:21:07] <Monochrome> and i was like "omg, these people are crazy!"
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[19:54:11] <Darklock> and that was it?
[19:54:26] <Darklock> *phew* thank the gods
[19:55:33] <pupnik> damn pointer alignment
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[21:44:13] <Darklock> 40.88 €
[21:44:25] <Darklock> I think that is too much
[21:44:32] <Darklock> eh well, I got it :P
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