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[16:32:38] <pupnik> http://listen64.kaos959.com
[16:45:06] <pupnik> http://www.scotthortonshow.com/
[16:54:01] <Monochrome_> lol wut
[16:54:44] <lupine_85> lol, politics
[17:28:47] <Monochrome_> ahaha
[17:28:57] <Monochrome_> i just trolled a channel with American Pie lyrics
[17:48:59] <lupine_85> ...
[17:50:06] <Monochrome_> :/
[17:50:24] <Monochrome_> its pretty awsome
[17:50:36] <lupine_85> no... trolling is never awesome
[17:50:36] <Monochrome_> writing a sequence of hundreds of lines
[17:50:42] <Monochrome_> FALSE
[17:50:56] <lupine_85> *shrug*
[17:51:16] <Monochrome_> TROLLING PUTS THE FUN IN DRAMA
[17:52:34] <Monochrome_> why do you hate trolling? you're sum kind of deviantarter furry anim00 faggot?
[17:53:14] <lupine_85> Just a sensible individual
[17:53:25] <lupine_85> without +o powers here, unfortunately?
[17:53:38] <Monochrome_> i havent done anything worth banning
[17:54:00] <lupine_85> your point?
[17:54:18] <lupine_85> underage b&
[17:54:46] <Monochrome_> haha oh wow
[17:54:58] <Monochrome_> and you're the sensible person
[17:55:13] <Monochrome_> you're indirectly imposing your point of view in a dogmatic way
[17:55:44] <Monochrome_> i dont consider such acts sensible
[17:55:46] <lupine_85> actually, I was unsubtly implying that you behave in an immature fashion
[17:55:50] <lupine_85> but nevermind
[17:55:57] <lupine_85> we're probably OT
[17:56:09] <Monochrome_> basicly you were saying "if i had op i would b& u"
[17:56:28] <Monochrome_> just because i said trolling was cool
[17:57:02] <Monochrome_> your line of thinking is based on a faux sillogism
[17:57:16] <lupine_85> and your line of reasoning is based on faulty grammar and spelling :p
[17:57:28] <Monochrome_> uh oh
[17:57:38] <Monochrome_> he just played the "spelling on the internet card"
[17:58:31] <Monochrome_> you know what that means
[17:58:44] <lupine_85> that you get to play the hitler card?
[17:59:04] * lupine_85 taps 2 blue and plays counterspell anyway
[17:59:22] <Monochrome_> when one plays the "spelling on the internet" card it means that person is out of plausible arguments
[17:59:41] <Monochrome_> and has to resort to grammar nazism to look smart
[18:00:09] <lupine_85> *shrug*. underage b& ; idiocy b&; offtopic b&; answering-back-to-an-op b&; bragging about being an idiot b&.
[18:00:15] <lupine_85> All plausible arguments
[18:00:38] <Monochrome_> because all of his previous arguments failed hard in proving any point
[18:01:01] <Monochrome_> since when OT is forbidden on an irc channel?
[18:01:24] <Monochrome_> i had loads of OT discussion here b4
[18:01:33] <lupine_85> I'm not op here :p
[18:02:21] <Monochrome_> keep it that way and you'll never be anywhere
[18:02:57] <lupine_85> I shall heed your wise words, sensei
[18:03:33] <Monochrome_> hum. strong in you the weabooism is
[18:06:27] <Monochrome_> i also see you are on a wapanesu channel
[18:06:33] <Monochrome_> if not in various
[18:06:38] <lupine_85> はい. 私はウェエアボオです
[18:06:51] <Monochrome_> many weabooism emmanating from you
[18:07:10] <lupine_85> the internet detective skills are strong in this one
[18:08:01] <Monochrome_> actually i checked as soon as this discussion begun
[18:09:02] <lupine_85> Well, I guess you have all the ammunition you need to shoot me down in flames then, モノクロメせんせい
[18:09:18] <Monochrome_> nyoro-n
[18:09:35] <lupine_85> ~, fool. "nyoro~n"
[18:10:01] <Monochrome_> works both ways
[18:10:20] <lupine_85> nyoro-n == yoro
[18:10:48] <Monochrome_> ok ok you win this time
[18:13:47] <Monochrome_> but i blame it on teh tubes. they spelled it that way lots of times
[18:14:48] <Monochrome_> hum no wait. its the just the font that's too small. makes it look like an hiffen
[18:19:03] <pupnik> i think there are some grammar/english errors that are annoying
[18:19:38] <lupine_85> I can mostly ignore them except in anything with a whiff of formality
[18:19:48] <lupine_85> it's a useful way of taunting someone, though
[18:20:45] <Monochrome_> no longer works on most places i frequent
[18:20:57] <lupine_85> yes, but I know those places
[18:21:14] <lupine_85> they make www.2girls1cup.com look like the tellytubbies
[18:21:15] <Monochrome_> i've seen brits and amerifags typing more crap than i do
[18:21:35] <Monochrome_> O RLY
[18:21:41] <lupine_85> that link isn't sfw, btw
[18:21:50] <Monochrome_> obviously
[18:23:25] <Monochrome_> do you habeeb lupine_85?
[18:23:43] <lupine_85> only in private
[18:24:01] <pupnik> do you think it would ruin ultima4 if i showed the dialoge options for the characters?
[18:24:11] <lupine_85> pupnik: depends
[18:24:21] <lupine_85> if you implemented game flags too, then it'd be OK
[18:24:27] <lupine_85> otherwise, the game would be trivial to complete
[18:24:39] <Monochrome_> ah
[18:24:51] <pupnik> yeah you'd immediately see everything a NPC 'knew'
[18:25:01] <lupine_85> (what I mean is, you should have to go and speak to someone who tells you who you can ask to find, say, the rune of virtue, before that dialogue option becomes available)
[18:25:13] <lupine_85> so you'd need to implement quite a bit of metadata
[18:25:15] <Monochrome_> then ultima 4 still works on ye olde command lines system i suppose?
[18:25:30] <pupnik> yes
[18:25:35] <lupine_85> personally, I would add a drop-down menu of possible common words
[18:25:47] <Monochrome_> that's pure nightmare
[18:25:48] <pupnik> there are standard questions: look, name, job, health
[18:26:03] <Monochrome_> you guys ever played Zork?
[18:26:03] <lupine_85> then force them to type (on-screen touch keypad?) anything non-standard
[18:26:05] <pupnik> i sorted all the most common terms
[18:26:22] <pupnik> yeah lupine_85 lemme find the wordlist
[18:26:34] <lupine_85> your next project is to get it working on a nokia 6680 :p
[18:26:59] <lupine_85> (C(++) or Java, SymbianOS :D)
[18:27:31] <pupnik> i'm surprised some java geek hasn't done it yet
[18:27:45] <lupine_85> mm. the screen might be a smidgin too small
[18:28:10] <Monochrome_> pupnik do you work for nokia :p?
[18:28:27] <pupnik> not yet
[18:28:46] <Monochrome_> but you want to, i suppose :p
[18:29:19] <pupnik> i don't know really
[18:29:32] <Monochrome_> where r u from?
[18:30:09] <Monochrome_> you dont look like a finn to meh
[18:30:15] <pupnik> oh i'm in germany
[18:30:20] * lupine_85 is turning his 6680 into an all-singing, all-dancing mobile monster machine
[18:30:31] <pupnik> but official business language at nokia is english, so that's good
[18:30:32] <pupnik> haha
[18:30:52] <pupnik> so anyway u4 has like a couple hundred NPCs i think
[18:31:01] <Monochrome_> even though i wouldnt be surprised. finns are everywhere on irc these days
[18:31:11] <pupnik> but for e.g. only 5 respond to 'virtue' only 5 respond to 'valor'
[18:31:23] <lupine_85> mm. still implementing a tree dialogue structure would Hurt
[18:31:33] <pupnik> yeah i know
[18:31:33] <Monochrome_> it still amazes meh how can they only be 5 million
[18:31:58] <lupine_85> I used to know a Finn. lovely girl
[18:32:12] <lupine_85> the native language of her entire village was Swedish
[18:32:15] <Monochrome_> IRL or tubes?
[18:32:22] <lupine_85> ...
[18:32:24] <lupine_85> IRL
[18:32:46] <Monochrome_> what happened to her?
[18:32:50] <pupnik> only 7 respond to 'shrine' etc. very frustrating to try out keywords at random on a onscreen keyboard
[18:33:29] <lupine_85> pupnik: you could add an option to include /all/ the potential words in the drop-down list
[18:33:55] <lupine_85> Monochrome_: she got pregnant, and went back to finland to raise her kid with her boyfriend
[18:34:36] <pupnik> hmm... 491 unique conversation keywords in u4
[18:34:42] <Monochrome_> i would lol if suddenly EA decided to release all vintage ultima games to cellphone
[18:35:10] <pupnik> they wouldn't be too popular with the new gen i think
[18:35:17] <Monochrome_> pupnik would become :(((((
[18:35:34] <Monochrome_> you are underestimating the ultima geeks mah friends
[18:35:36] <Monochrome_> *friend
[18:35:47] <pupnik> heh maybe
[18:35:51] <Monochrome_> they are hidden nowadays
[18:36:01] <Monochrome_> persecuted during centuries
[18:36:06] <pupnik> thanks for that idea lupine - i can implement a tree of all keywords easily
[18:36:27] <lupine_85> mm. if there's that many, I would order by first few letters
[18:36:35] <lupine_85> or maybe by category
[18:36:45] <Monochrome_> but if you pull their pants down you will be able to identify them easily
[18:36:55] <pupnik> well you can build a tree of all the words, then hilight the letters that are possible
[18:37:09] <Monochrome_> they're the only oens who still have avatar & ankhs underpants
[18:37:41] <Monochrome_> and that's a sweet story lupine_85 :)
[18:37:54] <pupnik> for e.g. after "W" there is only A,E,H,I,O,R
[18:38:00] <lupine_85> "Is that an ankh in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me?"
[18:38:22] <pupnik> after V only A,E,I
[18:38:24] <Monochrome_> brb dinnar tiem
[18:40:01] <pupnik> Train well and thy courage can grow with confidence.
[18:41:44] <pupnik> SPIR: Remember, no one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of others!
[18:52:26] <Monochrome_> ye. that's one of the reasons why i still prefer pagan.
[18:52:29] <Monochrome_> no silly virtues
[18:54:05] <Monochrome_> yay homm5 collectors edition almost downloaded \o/
[18:55:29] <pupnik> homm?
[18:55:36] <pupnik> heroes of might n magic?
[18:55:40] <Monochrome_> ^^
[18:55:55] <Monochrome_> its a gr8 game
[18:56:04] <Monochrome_> not as good as 3 but still great
[18:56:18] <Monochrome_> good thing collector's edition also includes 3 :p
[18:56:19] <pupnik> did you ever play 1?
[18:56:25] <Monochrome_> yep
[18:56:29] <pupnik> any good?
[18:56:35] <Monochrome_> for its time, yes
[18:56:45] <Monochrome_> but 3 is the best
[18:57:07] <Monochrome_> everything on that games breathes awsomeness
[18:57:18] <Monochrome_> i especially enjoyed the soundtrack
[18:58:04] <Monochrome_> which ones you played?
[18:58:31] <pupnik> none but i remember seeing 1 now
[18:58:36] <pupnik> and kings bounty
[18:59:05] <Monochrome_> i strongly advise you to play 3
[18:59:15] <pupnik> k
[19:01:39] <Monochrome_> its a very addictive game
[19:05:24] <Monochrome_> even 1 and 2 are enjoyable
[19:05:33] <Monochrome_> despite their outdated graphics
[19:07:26] <Monochrome_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj4NDiNiiag&mode=related&search=
[19:07:30] <Monochrome_> here's a gameplay scene
[19:07:42] <Monochrome_> though they dont show the best battle track on that vid
[19:08:01] <pupnik> k
[19:08:23] <Monochrome_> the soundtrack is still pretty amazing
[19:08:30] <Monochrome_> though the game speed was increased
[19:09:04] <pupnik> looks like 'wesnoth' takes some of its ideas
[19:09:24] <lupine_85> wesnoth ftw
[19:10:26] <Monochrome_> lol wesnoth took ideas from it
[19:10:31] <Monochrome_> not heroes
[19:10:37] <Monochrome_> oh sry
[19:10:41] <Monochrome_> misread it ^^
[19:10:58] <Monochrome_> i dont like wesnoth's graphics
[19:11:00] <pupnik> heh... yeah i wasn't too into the strategy stuff when i saw homm1 come out
[19:11:09] <Monochrome_> i prefer the classic warlords 2
[19:11:22] <pupnik> but it's worth a look - i think i can get it on a compilation
[19:11:23] <Monochrome_> has a better map division
[19:12:00] <Monochrome_> wesnoth uses beehive map divisions
[19:12:12] <Monochrome_> warlords uses squares
[19:15:29] <pupnik> mmm dosbox guru offering me some help atm - bbiab
[19:16:51] <Monochrome_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOJyHqGaXFk
[19:16:56] <Monochrome_> here's a vid of homm5
[19:18:45] <pupnik> that moosic is good - sounds a bit like jeremy soule
[19:19:38] <Monochrome_> homm has sum srsly good soundtrack
[19:19:52] <Monochrome_> IMO V has the worst :p
[19:20:13] <Monochrome_> III and IV soundtracks are so amazing that they just make V's soundtrack look lame
[19:20:32] <Monochrome_> even II's soundtrack can be somehow superior to V
[19:20:50] <pupnik> the godfather of CRPG soundtracks is probably that dude who did the Conan music... forgot his name... italian
[19:20:55] <Monochrome_> i was thinking about replacing V's soundtrack with III's since its my favorite
[19:21:06] <Monochrome_> conan music?
[19:21:15] <pupnik> the movie
[19:21:20] <pupnik> back in the 80s
[19:21:30] <Monochrome_> the one with schwarzenegger?
[19:21:36] <pupnik> yeha
[19:21:42] <Monochrome_> seen it but dont remember the theme :p
[19:21:47] <lupine_85> the future president of the USA!
[19:21:51] <lupine_85> nah, if only.
[19:21:56] <Monochrome_> you bet he will!
[19:22:00] <pupnik> i used to work with a producer who did several game soundtracks (Prey, Blair Witch)
[19:22:05] <lupine_85> the law will need changing first
[19:22:28] <Monochrome_> it will. in its time
[19:22:43] <Monochrome_> plus arnie has time and power to pull sum strings in teh congress
[19:23:00] <Monochrome_> pupnik srsly? where did you worked?
[19:25:39] <pupnik> I was holding down a regular job and contributing tracks to two games
[19:25:49] <pupnik> did a little film soundtrack work too
[19:26:10] <pupnik> Spent about $5k in equipment and earned about $1k :P
[19:26:58] <pupnik> One cool thing was they got pressed as red book audio - 16bit 44.1khz stereo
[19:28:45] <Monochrome_> you're a pro composer then?
[19:29:30] <pupnik> well no - but i did get my stuff on 5 million cds :)
[19:30:10] <Monochrome_> lol
[19:30:15] <Monochrome_> gr8
[19:33:17] <pupnik> really depressing tracks too - we shouldn't have submitted em
[19:33:53] <pupnik> but Rom DiPrisco sent us a great one (he did some of the EA music)
[19:36:15] <Monochrome_> show us sum samples of ur work
[19:36:18] <Monochrome_> now im curious
[19:50:43] <Monochrome_> finished download ;_;
[19:55:44] <pupnik> hmm this might be kind of interesting http://pupnik.de/1996_race_loop32k.wav
[19:59:25] <Monochrome_> sounds weird :p
[19:59:31] <Monochrome_> i cant rly rate it
[19:59:58] <pupnik> you ever play with trackers/mods?
[20:01:28] <Monochrome_> hum what :p?
[20:01:37] <pupnik> this one from 1993.. http://pupnik.de/3NEU-FIB.MOD
[20:01:58] <Monochrome_> AH
[20:02:01] <Monochrome_> mod sound
[20:02:03] <Monochrome_> from amiga!
[20:02:09] <Monochrome_> yes i remember those!
[20:03:19] <pupnik> :)
[20:03:54] <Monochrome_> lol it looks like sum freaky techno sound
[20:03:59] <Monochrome_> really trippy
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[20:04:15] <lupine_85> thumpin' techno
[20:04:21] <Dominus> hi
[20:04:22] <lupine_85> :s
[20:04:25] <Monochrome_> oh hay
[20:04:36] <lupine_85> hi :)
[20:04:47] <lupine_85> you're an in-charge sort of person, then? :)
[20:04:53] <Dominus> yes
[20:05:05] * lupine_85 puts his "best behaviour" hat on
[20:05:15] <lupine_85> coder?
[20:05:35] <Monochrome_> i bet he's from UIDC too
[20:05:57] <lupine_85> you mean UDIC?
[20:06:08] <Monochrome_> sry typo
[20:06:17] <Dominus> Monochrome_: : may I ask you a favor, please do not advocate abandonware in this channel. We have a strong policy on that http://pentagram.sourceforge.net/faq.php#poor_justification
[20:06:47] <Monochrome_> when did i spoke about abandonware?
[20:06:54] <Dominus> I'm actually not a coder but the lazy documentation guy
[20:07:04] <Dominus> the other day, I read it in the logs
[20:07:15] <Monochrome_> dont remember
[20:07:28] <Monochrome_> probably was when they were speaking about ebay
[20:07:41] <Monochrome_> what about non ultima related abandonware?
[20:07:42] <Dominus> yeah, about buying u7, I think
[20:07:47] <lupine_85> fair enough
[20:08:11] <Dominus> abandonware is not a legally sound concept, so please do not
[20:08:25] <lupine_85> (I'd love to talk to someone about the "scrolls-not-destroying-themselves" thing)
[20:08:44] <Monochrome_> what? abandonware is legal
[20:08:48] <Monochrome_> that's why its abandonware
[20:09:00] <lupine_85> U4 is abandonware, right?
[20:09:05] <Monochrome_> u8 is not abandonware 4 example
[20:09:12] <Dominus> lupine_85: then best ask wjp, watt or colourless or better file a bug report
[20:09:23] <Dominus> abandonware is not legal
[20:09:26] <Monochrome_> lupine_85 its only abandonware if the company who made no longer holds rights about it
[20:09:26] <pupnik> from what i've read EA has released u4 as freeware
[20:09:47] <lupine_85> ah; and freeware != abandonware, I guess
[20:09:52] <lupine_85> at least, not exactly
[20:09:53] <Dominus> yup
[20:10:04] <Dominus> actually u4 is a strange fellow
[20:10:08] <lupine_85> abandonware is quite a confused concept anyway
[20:10:18] <Monochrome_> indeed
[20:10:19] <pupnik> sourceforge has u4 btw
[20:10:21] <Monochrome_> it depends a lot on game
[20:10:25] <Monochrome_> *games
[20:10:59] <Dominus> u4 was on a PC magazine CD-Rom but not legally, after that EA allowed UDIC members to have it on their website for download, makes it pretty much freeware
[20:11:36] <Monochrome_> but technicly i define abandonware as games that are no longer held has copyright
[20:11:55] <Monochrome_> 4 example warlords 2
[20:11:57] <lupine_85> heh. copyright lasts 100 years
[20:12:04] <lupine_85> or thereabouts
[20:12:05] <Dominus> but that is kind of hard since almost every piece of game is still under copyright
[20:12:08] <Monochrome_> not if the companies are extinct
[20:12:13] <Monochrome_> and its 70 years
[20:12:14] <Dominus> no Monochrome_
[20:12:17] <Dominus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware
[20:12:21] <Monochrome_> read it
[20:12:27] <Monochrome_> the concept its ambiguous
[20:12:44] <lupine_85> Monochrome_: it's country-specific
[20:12:54] <Monochrome_> techncily it doesnt make any sense to call it abandonware if its not abandoned
[20:13:01] <Monochrome_> u8 its not abandonware
[20:13:06] <lupine_85> here (UK), I believe it's released into the public domain 100 years or so after the author's death
[20:13:06] <Monochrome_> for example
[20:13:10] <Monochrome_> neither is monkey island
[20:13:29] <lupine_85> furthermore, in the UK, copyright /can't/ be relinquished earlier
[20:14:02] <Dominus> what I mean is you can slap the meaning abandonware on every pice of software, I don't mind, but please do not advocate it here, since it has no legal meaning
[20:14:14] <lupine_85> (Although you can choose to surrender most of your rights in respect to copyright)
[20:15:56] <Monochrome_> aww man :(. what's an ultima channel if we cant talk about olde games?
[20:16:22] <lupine_85> talk about, yes. talk about how to pwn, no
[20:16:54] <Dominus> you can talk about old games, but nothing like "you buy that old game on ebay? duh, it's abandonware, download it at..."
[20:17:08] <Monochrome_> good enough
[20:17:56] <Dominus> thanks
[20:18:47] <Monochrome_> why do you guys have such policies either way?
[20:19:09] * lupine_85 would guess for legal and ethical reasons
[20:19:22] <Dominus> look up, I gave the link
[20:19:31] <Dominus> to our FAQ
[20:19:45] <wjp> you mean why we have the policy of following copyright law?
[20:19:55] <wjp> hi Dominus
[20:20:10] <Dominus> hi wjp
[20:20:10] <wjp> and hi all :-)
[20:21:18] <Monochrome_> oh hay
[20:21:48] <Monochrome_> yes that.
[20:22:16] <lupine_85> it's only the law... it's not like it's legally binding or anything... </sarcasm>
[20:23:03] <Monochrome_> thing is most laws regarding VG copyright are silly
[20:23:14] <Monochrome_> take this abadonware issue 4 example
[20:23:29] <Monochrome_> companies dont even sell these games anymore!
[20:23:47] <Dominus> of course it is silly
[20:24:01] <Monochrome_> nor they obtain any profit from it
[20:24:12] <lupine_85> see, law is about legality, not morality
[20:24:24] <lupine_85> it's an important distinction
[20:24:35] <Dominus> exactly
[20:25:57] <Monochrome_> fuck, how do you guys call those stripes for crossing roads safely
[20:26:04] <lupine_85> zebra crossings
[20:26:06] <wjp> I call them zebrapaden :-)
[20:26:14] <lupine_85> same thing, right?
[20:26:18] <Dominus> zebrastreifen
[20:26:19] <Monochrome_> ye
[20:26:19] <lupine_85> paden === ?
[20:26:23] <wjp> paths
[20:26:25] <Monochrome_> ty
[20:26:35] <lupine_85> ah; intr'usting
[20:26:52] <Monochrome_> technicly everytime you cross the road with one of those things nearby you're breaking the law aswell
[20:27:05] <lupine_85> you might be
[20:27:07] <wjp> yes, which is pretty much why I don't do that
[20:27:14] <lupine_85> in which case, you have a silly legal system
[20:27:18] <Monochrome_> actually lots of people do that
[20:27:24] <Monochrome_> especially old people
[20:27:45] <lupine_85> anyway, yeah. the copyright issues surrounding (e.g.) U8 copying are identical to those surrounding an out-of-print book. Photocopying it for the masses is still Wrong(tm)
[20:27:50] <Monochrome_> stupid elder love to cross the road with the crossing just a few meters away
[20:28:09] <lupine_85> Over here, pedestrians have right-of-way on all roads
[20:28:41] <lupine_85> even motorways, I believe (though you'd have to be /really/ stupid to attempt that)
[20:28:54] <Dominus> I don't know if that's law breaking here, just stupid though
[20:29:21] <lupine_85> as long as you carry out a dynamic risk assessment beforehand, you're fine
[20:29:34] * lupine_85 stabs the Health & Safety Executive with a blunt fork
[20:29:54] <Monochrome_> and i also believe law also forces most cars to stop if there's a pedestrian waiting nearby a crossing
[20:30:05] <Monochrome_> and then again a lot of 'em simply doesnt stop
[20:30:20] <Monochrome_> simply put, its laws that no one rly cares about
[20:30:35] <lupine_85> simply put, that still doesn't alter the legality of the situation
[20:30:50] <Monochrome_> for example, did you guys knew that every single USA state has a silly law?
[20:30:55] <lupine_85> also, you can't draw real parallels between copyright and criminal law
[20:31:18] <lupine_85> Hey, I can legally shot a scotsman with a longbow
[20:31:21] <lupine_85> shoot*
[20:31:30] <Dominus> that's nice
[20:31:34] <lupine_85> well, as long as he's within the city walls
[20:31:35] <Monochrome_> actually you cant.
[20:31:47] <lupine_85> course I can
[20:32:06] <Monochrome_> its agression
[20:32:15] <lupine_85> It's also a city bylaw
[20:32:22] <Monochrome_> explain
[20:32:27] <lupine_85> probably wouldn't hold up in court, though
[20:32:40] <Dominus> I have aggressions now and then and it's not illegal :)
[20:32:41] <lupine_85> I don't know how the UK legal system compares to the Portugese one
[20:33:00] <pupnik> Join the army, get paid to kill folk
[20:33:08] <lupine_85> we have criminal, civil and common law; we also have bylaws (which are local to a given authority)
[20:33:14] <Monochrome_> can u guys srsly shoot scotsman lol?
[20:33:20] <Monochrome_> *men
[20:33:31] <lupine_85> under the conditions of a particular city bylaw, yes
[20:33:35] <lupine_85> under criminal law, nowe
[20:33:37] <lupine_85> no*
[20:33:37] <Monochrome_> oh lawl
[20:33:54] <lupine_85> a judge probably wouldn't rule in my favour
[20:39:45] <Dominus> which city are you living in?
[20:40:06] <Monochrome_> i bet he's from leicester
[20:43:11] <lupine_85> York
[20:43:40] <lupine_85> There are similar laws regarding Welshmen in a city near that border
[20:43:45] <Monochrome_> ah, so that's why you can shoot scots
[20:46:06] <Monochrome_> hooray!
[20:46:15] <pupnik> btw wjp / Dominus i tested pentagram some more and didn't run into any noticeable endianness / alignment errors on ARM
[20:46:27] <Monochrome_> i finally freed enough space from my disc to unrar hommV \o/
[20:46:47] <Dominus> pupnik: : I really do think your porting to be one great feat!
[20:47:12] <pupnik> uh. i just changed 640 to 800 and compiled
[20:47:20] <pupnik> i think there might be another change somewhere
[20:47:26] <Monochrome_> tbh i think its rather superfluous
[20:47:39] <Monochrome_> for nokia meh
[20:47:57] <pupnik> you pretty much just set up the SDL mode properly and you're done
[20:48:15] <Monochrome_> its not that 13 year old girls are interested in playing u8
[20:48:26] <Monochrome_> not saying your work inst valluable but
[20:48:39] <Monochrome_> i would prefer to have a port for psp or nds :p
[20:48:41] <Dominus> yeah, but still very cool, if I'd own a phone that could do it I'd love to try it
[20:49:21] <Dominus> Monochrome_: : respecting others work has nothing to do with what you like
[20:49:50] <Monochrome_> <Monochrome_> not saying your work inst valluable
[20:49:53] <Monochrome_> silly Dominus
[20:50:00] <Monochrome_> who said i dont respect it
[20:50:20] <Dominus> tbh i think its rather superfluous
[20:50:40] <Monochrome_> still doesnt mean i disrespect it
[20:51:04] <Dominus> whatever
[20:51:58] <Monochrome_> btw i always wondered
[20:52:15] <Monochrome_> how does char movement works in u8?
[20:52:47] <lupine_85> creep, walk or run; 8 different directions
[20:52:56] <lupine_85> also jumping
[20:53:05] <Monochrome_> no no more specfic
[20:53:10] <Monochrome_> regarding the directions
[20:53:28] <Monochrome_> is the movement angle limited by ground parcels?
[20:55:38] <lupine_85> some, yes. others, no
[20:55:53] <lupine_85> you can't walk over darts, f'rinstance
[20:56:47] <Monochrome_> i mean, what's keeping the avatar from walking in every possible angle? besdies the lack of sprites
[20:56:56] <Monochrome_> *besides
[20:57:17] <wjp> lack of sprites
[20:57:29] <wjp> the resolution of the world is high enough to support more directions
[20:58:18] <wjp> (and pentagram is currently designed around the current number of directions)
[20:58:40] <Monochrome_> are you guys planning to extend the number of directions in a later stage?
[20:58:46] <lupine_85> get those 3D models in :)
[20:59:05] <Monochrome_> i wouldnt mind making 3d models 4 it
[20:59:22] <lupine_85> (though quadrupling the resolution of all the tiles would be a much more dramatic way of prettifying it)
[20:59:53] <Monochrome_> but i'm not sure if they would fit the low res tex
[21:00:07] <lupine_85> well, they'd be 4x larger
[21:00:22] <Monochrome_> lupine that would require re drawing textures from scratch
[21:00:35] <lupine_85> yes, that is exactly what I proposedd
[21:00:42] <Monochrome_> hum
[21:00:47] <pupnik> btw nobody seems to have implemented scale2x, 2xsai etc into the gimp
[21:00:52] <pupnik> (surprisingly)
[21:00:59] <Monochrome_> ambitious, but it makes sense
[21:01:07] <lupine_85> (it would result in the game having a native resolution of 1280x960)
[21:01:28] <Monochrome_> which would be excelent. but we would need 3d models to fit aswell
[21:01:44] <lupine_85> well, yes, but 3D models are easily modified
[21:01:50] <lupine_85> (in terms of scale)
[21:01:54] <wjp> no plans for arbitrary directions, but crusader has 16
[21:02:04] <Monochrome_> and low poly ones wouldnt fit right with with the improved sprites
[21:02:09] <Monochrome_> hum i wonder
[21:02:10] * lupine_85 never played crusader
[21:02:29] <Monochrome_> how do the diablo 2 sprite system works?
[21:02:30] <lupine_85> I should try to get a copy, I guess. Are there any really significant engine changes between the two?
[21:02:32] <Monochrome_> i mean
[21:02:45] <Monochrome_> they obviously made awsome 3d models and then they converted them to sprites
[21:03:03] <lupine_85> Monochrome_: I don't think they use sprites for diablo 2
[21:03:10] <Monochrome_> lupine they do
[21:03:13] <lupine_85> oO
[21:03:13] <Monochrome_> believe it or not
[21:03:16] <Dominus> lupine, while U8 was easy enough to navigate, I always give up on Crusader after the first level
[21:03:43] <lupine_85> that's crazy bad
[21:03:51] <Monochrome_> u8 navigation managed to be frustrating sometimes
[21:04:08] <Monochrome_> especially when you were trying to escape hordes of angry monsters
[21:04:22] <Monochrome_> 16 directions would have been a bless
[21:04:38] <Monochrome_> what about if we use Ultima Online sprites?
[21:05:01] <Monochrome_> there are hidden avatar sprites on it
[21:05:02] <Dominus> copyrights
[21:05:34] <Monochrome_> that's illegal too?
[21:05:35] <Monochrome_> fuct
[21:06:09] <Monochrome_> too bad. there's a set of hidden avatar sprites on it
[21:06:16] <Monochrome_> that actually match the U8 avatar
[21:06:37] <lupine_85> moving away from sprites gives the maximum in prettiness
[21:06:38] <Dominus> UO is losely based on the U8 engine AFAIR old forum threads
[21:06:41] <Monochrome_> i wonder if they were ever planning to use it
[21:06:48] <Monochrome_> i know
[21:06:52] <lupine_85> and TBH, the u8 avatar is as ugly as sin
[21:06:52] <Monochrome_> read about it on wiki
[21:07:02] <Monochrome_> i think its the best
[21:07:09] <Monochrome_> its a more realistic avatar
[21:07:18] <Monochrome_> more slender and gracious
[21:07:24] <lupine_85> blonde hair; blue eyes; dressed in red, grey and yellow?
[21:07:44] <Monochrome_> pretty much the same on u7!
[21:07:56] <lupine_85> more like a court jester if you ask me
[21:07:57] <Monochrome_> except he looks like a wrestler
[21:08:19] <lupine_85> a character visual system like BG/NWN would be nice++
[21:08:22] <Monochrome_> oh and btw, you never checked the u4 cover art didnt you?
[21:08:25] <lupine_85> also a mammoth task
[21:08:29] <Monochrome_> at least i think its u4
[21:08:44] <lupine_85> I never owned a boxed copy of U4
[21:09:00] <Monochrome_> neither i. but you can look at box scans
[21:09:03] <Monochrome_> i'll show you
[21:09:42] <Monochrome_> nah its not from u4
[21:09:48] <Monochrome_> perhaps its from u3
[21:09:51] <pupnik> i wonder if EA might be interested in re-awakening the franchise with remakes for portables
[21:10:32] <Monochrome_> honestly i wouldnt be interested on that. i know they would ruin it
[21:10:37] <Monochrome_> i hate EA
[21:11:11] <lupine_85> pupnik: you should sell the idea to them
[21:11:13] <pupnik> well the whole industry is run by the suits now
[21:11:17] <lupine_85> it's working for Sega
[21:11:22] <pupnik> mhm
[21:11:24] <Monochrome_> lupine_85
[21:11:25] <Monochrome_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/Ultima5box.jpg
[21:11:31] <Dominus> I doubt they would go for it, after all Monochrome_ got it right that no 13 year old would be paying to play the games on their phone
[21:11:36] <Monochrome_> pretty much like the u8 avatar
[21:11:38] <watt> I'd want xbox live versions.... but sigh... nope
[21:11:42] <Monochrome_> only without the helmet
[21:12:35] <Monochrome_> i love that suit. a real squire outfit
[21:12:48] <Monochrome_> the ultima VII avatar looks like he-man
[21:14:06] <Lightkey> everyone has his own definition of abandonware...
[21:14:37] <Monochrome_> you're late about 10 minutes Lightkey
[21:14:45] <Monochrome_> well, make 20
[21:14:48] <Monochrome_> *make it
[21:14:57] <Lightkey> I prefer that it means it is not being sold by the rights holder anymore, nothing more
[21:15:02] <Lightkey> sure
[21:17:25] <lupine_85> Lightkey: that covers an awful lot of stuff, though ;)
[21:17:49] <lupine_85> watt/wjp: did you catch my note about scrolls?
[21:18:21] <Dominus> it's kind of my definition as well :)
[21:20:45] <watt> ummmm.... not I. There's been a lot of activity here, non-pentagram related, so I have not been paying attention
[21:21:22] <watt> but as always. the bug tracker is the right place to mention problems, else it'll get lost in the shuffle....
[21:21:31] <lupine_85> ah. basically, magic scrolls don't expire on use
[21:21:37] <lupine_85> I'll stick it in the bugtracker
[21:23:16] <lupine_85> it's the only really game-stopping bug I've found so far
[21:24:23] <Monochrome_> i have an u8 related question
[21:24:33] <Monochrome_> what ever happened to the dude who made the soundtrack?
[21:26:16] <Lightkey> lupine_85: with nothing more, I mean it does not imply the legal status has changed in any way ;)
[21:26:42] <lupine_85> okies :)
[21:27:10] <lupine_85> personally, I would have something similar, but with the addition of "...and does not intend to re-release at some point in the future"
[21:28:49] <Monochrome_> personally, abandonware = abandoned, therefore free. if copyright still held by the original or other companies who claim it = not abandonware because technicly its not abandoned.
[21:29:32] <Monochrome_> now plz
[21:29:41] <Dominus> yeah, so, expect the first true abandonware in about 70 years or so
[21:29:46] <lupine_85> copyright is held, as I said, for aaaaaaaaaaaages
[21:29:55] <Monochrome_> what ever happened to the dude who made the u8 soundtrack
[21:29:56] <lupine_85> pong might be in 2030 or so...
[21:30:02] <Dominus> use google
[21:30:06] <Monochrome_> used
[21:30:17] <Lightkey> Dominus: exactly
[21:30:27] <Lightkey> Monochrome_: then there would be no need for the term
[21:30:43] <Lightkey> as there is no such thing available yet
[21:31:15] <Dominus> even when the companies go bust the copyright still holds
[21:31:17] <Monochrome_> then again this is my personal opinion
[21:31:34] <Monochrome_> because i only consider old games to be abandonware
[21:31:47] <Monochrome_> the rest is just freeware
[21:31:57] <lupine_85> by your own definition, /no/ games are abandonware
[21:31:59] <Dominus> a true warez advocat
[21:32:17] <Dominus> old games=abandonware, other games=freeware
[21:32:31] <Monochrome_> toher games that are free
[21:32:33] <lupine_85> :D
[21:32:47] <lupine_85> you forgot about Free games. They aren't freeware
[21:33:06] <Monochrome_> there is shareware aswell, but i wasnt considering that
[21:33:12] <Monochrome_> neither flash games
[21:34:15] <Lightkey> shareware is just a commercial variant, flash games freeware (as freeware is probably the most ambigous term)
[21:34:17] <lupine_85> no, no. Free games. Like pentagram, for instance
[21:34:34] <Monochrome_> pentagram is an engine
[21:34:37] <lupine_85> hmm, another advantage to implementing one's own tileset&c
[21:34:43] <Monochrome_> or a recreation of an engine
[21:35:01] <pupnik> psst... buy a nokia 770
[21:35:08] <Lightkey> free games are freeware too
[21:35:21] <lupine_85> do you mean free or Free? :)
[21:35:39] <Monochrome_> wtv, they're free
[21:36:17] <Lightkey> the capitalisation does not change anything
[21:36:19] <lupine_85> as rms would tell you - at great length - there's an important difference between free and Free
[21:36:34] <pupnik> i scored u8 for 1 euro and 45 cents :P
[21:36:51] <lupine_85> not bad
[21:36:52] <Monochrome_> floppy or cd
[21:36:56] <pupnik> cd
[21:37:00] <lupine_85> it opened at $70 or so, didn't it?
[21:37:02] <Monochrome_> rly kewl
[21:37:22] <Monochrome_> 70? fucking ea
[21:37:23] <lupine_85> pupnik: is it coming with the map?
[21:37:28] <pupnik> no just cd
[21:37:35] <lupine_85> aww. the map is beautiful
[21:37:38] <lupine_85> not that I have mine anyway
[21:37:44] <Monochrome_> i think its fugly
[21:37:44] <lupine_85> s/anyway/anymore/
[21:37:53] <lupine_85> you think?
[21:37:54] <lupine_85> wow
[21:37:56] <lupine_85> :p
[21:37:57] <Monochrome_> u7 map IS beautiful
[21:38:18] <Lightkey> lupine_85: what would free be if not irc parlance for Free (as in the first part of the term Free Software)?
[21:38:21] <pupnik> i'll try to get it
[21:38:39] <lupine_85> free would be as in beer; Free would be as in freedom
[21:38:39] <Monochrome_> u8 map is ugly when compared to u7's
[21:38:48] <lupine_85> different worlds
[21:38:56] <lupine_85> U9 map was also quite pretty - as were the tarot cards
[21:39:02] <lupine_85> shame about the game, all things considered
[21:39:03] <Lightkey> no, what you mean is freeware, without a space in between
[21:39:19] <Monochrome_> even better
[21:39:21] <Dominus> U8's map is not only ugly but also totally useless
[21:39:25] <Monochrome_> what he means is Freeware
[21:39:31] <lupine_85> Free software can't really be considered to be freeware or Freeware
[21:39:39] <Lightkey> of course it can
[21:39:50] <Lightkey> since there is no clear definition of freeware
[21:39:50] <lupine_85> (since there are further restrictions placed on it's use)
[21:39:59] <Monochrome_> the only thing cool that came with the u8 package was the small pentagram coin
[21:40:05] <lupine_85> well, things licensed under BSD are easilty considered freeware
[21:40:10] <lupine_85> easily*
[21:40:13] <Monochrome_> besides the box itself
[21:40:42] <lupine_85> Monochrome_: I thought the coolest thing was the CD ;)
[21:41:12] <Monochrome_> the CD is the expected
[21:41:19] <watt> Oh... interesting side note: EA has a digital download store... downside.... doesn't contain old stuff.
[21:41:42] <Monochrome_> cool stuff is the extras
[21:42:18] <Monochrome_> box art, manual art, booklets, in this case the map and the coin
[21:42:40] <Lightkey> watt: is Command & Conquer Gold too new? ;)
[21:42:57] <Lightkey> oh you mean store as in shop
[21:43:01] <Monochrome_> command and conquer.... i think one of 'em was considered freeware...
[21:43:05] <Monochrome_> but you can still buy it
[21:43:14] <Lightkey> Monochrome_: the one I just said
[21:43:23] <Monochrome_> i'm not sure
[21:43:24] <Lightkey> not just considered
[21:43:36] <Lightkey> you can download it from EA's servers
[21:43:58] <Monochrome_> Rockstar also freewared GTA 1 & 2
[21:44:04] <Monochrome_> a couple of years ago
[21:44:12] <Monochrome_> 1 is meh, but 2 is awsome and god
[21:44:18] <Lightkey> yes, yes.. go look at http://liberatedgames.com/ mmkay?
[21:45:14] <Monochrome_> LOL
[21:45:19] <Monochrome_> AVP is freeware
[21:45:32] <Monochrome_> rly smart those bastards
[21:45:44] <Monochrome_> liberating a game that no longer works :p
[21:46:01] <Lightkey> it is?
[21:46:21] <Monochrome_> yep
[21:46:24] <Monochrome_> says here
[21:46:25] <lupine_85> all games work
[21:46:34] <Monochrome_> nope
[21:46:41] <Monochrome_> Alien vs Predator doesnt work
[21:46:47] <Monochrome_> unless you have an old pc
[21:47:16] <Lightkey> if it does not for you, then stop buying new pcs
[21:47:29] <Dominus> it's not the game that got freeware but the source of it
[21:47:30] <Monochrome_> there's a bug regarding new graphic cards
[21:47:45] <Lightkey> what Dominus said
[21:47:46] * lupine_85 pats his ancient laptop
[21:48:14] <Dominus> and nowadays with Dosbox or other Emulation/Virtualisations I don't see how one can say a game does not work
[21:48:16] <Lightkey> it does not list only freewared games
[21:48:43] <Monochrome_> because AVP is NOT dos based and the bug is related with modern graphic cards
[21:48:51] <Monochrome_> it just doesnt works!
[21:49:02] <Monochrome_> i googled for several solutions
[21:49:08] <Monochrome_> and there is no fix
[21:49:12] <Monochrome_> that's it
[21:49:16] <lupine_85> well, that's just you failing
[21:49:23] <Lightkey> yes..
[21:49:36] <Dominus> what lupine_85 says
[21:49:38] <lupine_85> you can buy an Athlon-700 PC for £25 these days
[21:49:43] <Lightkey> you could try using the icculus.org source port for example
[21:49:46] <Monochrome_> no that's reality. i'm sure if the bug is nvidia related only but i'll re check
[21:49:50] <lupine_85> if you're really to lazy to fix fix0r the problem
[21:50:06] <Monochrome_> so that's pretty much it
[21:50:12] <Monochrome_> either you have an old pc
[21:50:18] <Monochrome_> or you dont play avp1
[21:50:22] <Monochrome_> same for gold
[21:50:42] <Lightkey> or you don't listen to what others say, even if you knew better
[21:51:14] <Monochrome_> the source port project says its abandoned
[21:51:27] <Monochrome_> or at least that's what i got when i clicked on it
[21:51:35] <Lightkey> which means that is all you know about it
[21:51:40] <Lightkey> exactly
[21:52:18] <Lightkey> and frankly, it is, but it could be a solution
[21:52:33] <Dominus> but hey you CAN play it on modern computers this way :)
[21:52:43] <Monochrome_> thing is, the bug is not crash related
[21:52:46] <Monochrome_> it loads
[21:52:58] <Monochrome_> you can hear the sound you can move round, you can do anything
[21:53:03] <Dominus> and how does it behave on another Virtualisation/Emulation?
[21:53:03] <Monochrome_> you just dont see crap lol
[21:53:35] <Monochrome_> i'm not sure, but last time i checked on NTcompatible forums they said there wasnt a fix
[21:54:03] <Monochrome_> though tbh it might work on radeon cards
[21:54:15] <pupnik> and on the 770? still haven't bought one?
[21:54:25] <Monochrome_> a what?
[21:54:30] <pupnik> :) what's wrong with you people!
[21:54:35] <Dominus> he he
[21:54:40] <Monochrome_> a nokia?
[21:54:43] <Monochrome_> i have one
[21:54:44] <lupine_85> pupnik: you should send me a voucher for a free one
[21:54:48] <pupnik> it is a little linux computer
[21:55:01] <pupnik> not a phone
[21:55:08] <pupnik> i do not have vouchers
[21:55:11] <Monochrome_> ah teh specific model
[21:55:58] <pupnik> but it is very cheap now
[21:56:52] <Monochrome_> but why this obcession? you guys want AVP so bad?
[21:57:05] <Monochrome_> its a good game. i would love to get the hands on it mehself
[21:57:31] <Monochrome_> i nearly ripped my hair in frustation when i found out i downloaded it in vain
[21:58:31] <Dominus> Seems to me that it should be playable with an Emulator/Virtualisation
[21:58:37] <Dominus> downloaded?
[21:58:45] <Lightkey> demand a full refund
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[21:59:12] <lupine_85> zomg autojoin
[21:59:17] <Monochrome_> i didnt quoted sources
[21:59:22] <Monochrome_> so its not illegal lol
[21:59:34] <lupine_85> I wanna go :p
[21:59:34] <Monochrome_> unless you can prove i wasnt lying
[21:59:46] <lupine_85> Monochrome_: this isn't a democracy...
[22:00:02] <Dominus> what lupine says
[22:00:16] <Monochrome_> yet justice must be based on proofs
[22:00:22] <Dominus> nope
[22:00:34] <lupine_85> tell that to Henry VIII
[22:00:38] <Dominus> not when I can abuse power
[22:00:39] <Monochrome_> you said not to tell me were to get stuff
[22:00:47] <Monochrome_> i havent told
[22:00:54] <Dominus> ?logs
[22:00:54] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://log.usecode.org/pentagramlog.php
[22:00:57] <Monochrome_> plus i could have gotten it from a site like direct 2 drive
[22:01:01] <Dominus> reread what I told you
[22:01:02] <Lightkey> he lied :>
[22:01:05] <Monochrome_> there are plenty
[22:01:07] <lupine_85> internal consistency has never been a key feature of IRC :p
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[22:01:48] * Dominus loves clearks "shocking abuse of power"
[22:02:13] <Dominus> clearks even :)
[22:02:23] <Monochrome_> wth is clearks?
[22:02:30] <lupine_85> that looks like so much fun
[22:02:43] <Dominus> it is :)
[22:02:48] <Monochrome_> meh, autojoin kinda diminuishes the impact
[22:02:48] <lupine_85> [23:01] [Notice] -ChanServ- An access level of [10] is required for [OP] on #pentagram
[22:02:49] <lupine_85> boooooo
[22:03:06] <lupine_85> autojoin can result in autoban
[22:03:12] <Lightkey> autojoin also is often a reason for a ban
[22:03:14] <lupine_85> it is, in addition, extremely bad manners
[22:03:15] <Lightkey> right
[22:03:15] <Monochrome_> knock yourself out
[22:04:04] <Dominus> if I'd be sure how to lift a ban later this would follow if you insist
[22:04:19] <Dominus> just play nice
[22:04:27] <Monochrome_> what you dont know how to?
[22:05:46] <Lightkey> "I will be posting your item out tomorrow but, please be aware that our postal service is having yet *another* strike, this one allegedly lasting until next Wednesday! =("
[22:05:57] <Lightkey> what the heck, I want my dragon edition!
[22:06:02] <Dominus> he he
[22:06:06] <Monochrome_> u9?
[22:06:18] <Lightkey> don't think there was any other
[22:06:36] <lupine_85> why did IX fail so hard? :(
[22:06:46] <Lightkey> nooo
[22:06:47] <Monochrome_> buggy
[22:06:50] <Monochrome_> incoerent story
[22:06:50] <Lightkey> not that again
[22:07:05] <lupine_85> oh, has that already been done? :
[22:07:07] <Monochrome_> but the thing i hated most on the clips i saw
[22:07:14] <Monochrome_> was the awful awful awful voice acting
[22:07:23] <Monochrome_> and the crappy script
[22:07:37] <Monochrome_> god, the avatar sounded like a retard
[22:07:58] <lupine_85> what really amazes me is that it still doesn't run completely smoothly, even n hardware generations later
[22:07:59] <Dominus> lupine_85: oh, has that already been done? <- I think about a gazzillion times since it came out :)
[22:08:05] <lupine_85> hehe, ok
[22:08:50] <Dominus> I still like to play it from time to times with the dialog patch (this requires the voice over to be turned off - no loss there)
[22:09:30] <Monochrome_> you guys probably heard of Titans of Ether
[22:09:35] <Monochrome_> or wtv they called it
[22:09:51] <Monochrome_> i think it was titans of ether...
[22:09:56] <Monochrome_> anyways
[22:10:09] <Monochrome_> its a mod for elder scrolls if i'm not mistaken
[22:10:17] <Monochrome_> completely reconstructs U9
[22:10:21] <Monochrome_> with a better story
[22:10:30] <Monochrome_> i think they adopted the second version of the script
[22:10:52] <Monochrome_> in which the guardian fucks up everything and lord brittish dies
[22:11:35] <Monochrome_> and everyone migrates to skara brae
[22:11:56] <Monochrome_> since brittania is completely destroyed
[22:12:02] <Monochrome_> now that's an ending
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[22:15:19] <Monochrome_> the original plan wasnt that bad also
[22:16:01] <Monochrome_> but thanks to whinners, they changed they were forced re wrote the whole thing
[22:16:11] <Monochrome_> *re write
[22:16:22] <pupnik> no
[22:16:34] <pupnik> ah yes
[22:17:08] <Monochrome_> i would love to see an ultima on the guardians true homeworld
[22:17:22] <pupnik> what was the project that was really complete - Lazarus?
[22:17:36] <Monochrome_> never heard of that
[22:17:40] <Monochrome_> i'll google
[22:18:27] <Monochrome_> that's 4 U5
[22:19:12] <Monochrome_> dungeon siege mod
[22:20:08] <Monochrome_> there are plenty of kewl projects
[22:20:19] <Monochrome_> there's even an U6 mmorpg project
[22:21:25] <Dominus> sadly only a few make it to the end
[22:21:43] <lupine_85> well, it
[22:21:47] <lupine_85> ...'s hard work
[22:21:53] <Dominus> I have to admit that I was pretty amazed that the lazarus project kind of finished
[22:22:00] <Dominus> I know
[22:22:08] <Monochrome_> is it any good?
[22:22:16] <Dominus> never played it
[22:22:54] <Dominus> though I wanted to try and even bought one of the dungeon siege bargain bin thins for ten euro or so
[22:24:01] <Monochrome_> you can always download it lol
[22:24:06] <Monochrome_> from direct 2 drive
[22:24:11] <lupine_85> ><
[22:24:22] <Monochrome_> or any online game shop
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[22:25:13] <Monochrome_> no u!
[22:25:54] <pupnik> i think those are legal game shops Dominus
[22:26:00] <Monochrome_> they are lol
[22:26:15] <Monochrome_> but he kicked meh for the mockery
[22:26:26] <Dominus> yup
[22:27:00] <Monochrome_> you can always buy the ginourmous D&D pack
[22:27:13] <Monochrome_> that includes DS NWN and all subjacent expansions
[22:27:34] <Monochrome_> its a bit expensive but i belive its worthwhile
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[22:28:08] <Monochrome_> it includes a lot of nifty extras aswell
[22:29:02] <Monochrome_> FUCK
[22:29:07] <Monochrome_> FUCK YOU UBISOFT
[22:29:14] <Monochrome_> I HAET YOU
[22:29:26] <Monochrome_> just got homm5
[22:29:44] <Monochrome_> download the latest patch
[22:29:49] <Monochrome_> 1.5
[22:29:54] <Monochrome_> 53 mbs
[22:30:05] <Monochrome_> try to install it
[22:30:21] <Monochrome_> "error you need to install patch 1.4.1 b4 isntalling 1.5"
[22:30:32] <Monochrome_> kewl, so i go and download 1.4.1
[22:30:41] <Monochrome_> "error you need to install patch 1.4 b4 isntalling 1.41"
[22:31:30] <Dominus> LOL
[22:31:34] <Monochrome_> i bet they're gonna ask meh to fill up the form A/438473 and go to second floor lol after that
[22:33:01] <Monochrome_> relic did the same shit with DoW
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[22:36:45] <Dominus> hey didn't expcet that to work
[22:37:11] <Monochrome_> lol you're even more inexperienced on irc than it
[22:37:13] <Monochrome_> *i
[22:37:33] <Dominus> nope
[22:37:57] <Monochrome_> you just said a few minutes ago you didnt knew how to lift bans, or am i mistaken?
[22:38:21] <Dominus> yes
[22:38:40] <Monochrome_> well that's easy
[22:38:53] <Dominus> good
[22:38:57] <Monochrome_> just click twice on this same window to acess channel modes
[22:39:18] <Monochrome_> you see a window with a several stuff on it
[22:39:36] <Monochrome_> the big blank field is the blacklist
[22:39:42] <Dominus> and of course we are all using the same client...
[22:39:59] <lupine_85> totally
[22:40:07] <Monochrome_> irc is not a client, its a protocol
[22:40:14] <lupine_85> ...lol
[22:40:23] <lupine_85> I'm sure the protocol includes "double-click"
[22:40:25] <Monochrome_> or at least sum1 l337 nerd told me so
[22:40:38] <Dominus> that proves me right with my nope a couple of lines above
[22:40:44] <Monochrome_> still, what's the application you are using?
[22:40:52] <Monochrome_> or program or wtv
[22:41:06] <Dominus> show me your skills, it is not so hard to find out
[22:41:20] <Monochrome_> ah miranda
[22:41:41] <Dominus> see, that wasn't so hard
[22:41:50] <Monochrome_> perhaps you'll have to do it ye olde commande line style
[22:42:08] <Monochrome_> forget how to do it hwvr
[22:42:22] <Monochrome_> long time since i had to b& sum1
[22:42:58] <Monochrome_> you can always check it at official mIRC site
[22:43:01] <Dominus> I know how to do it, just at the moment when I wrote the above I wasn't sure how to get to the room control in this client
[22:43:22] <Dominus> mirc site won'T tell me how to operate miranda
[22:43:33] <Monochrome_> but it will tell you the universal IRC commands
[22:43:57] <Monochrome_> that should work on miranda
[22:43:57] <lupine_85> Dominus: unbanning is generally unneeded :)
[22:44:11] <Dominus> he he
[22:57:11] <pupnik> Ramen and Ultima go great together
[23:09:38] <Monochrome_> which one r u playin' pupnik?
[23:13:38] <Dominus> nighty night
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[23:17:13] <pupnik> i'm putzing around with xu4
[23:17:44] <Monochrome_> ah
[23:18:43] <pupnik> it's hard to get dosbox timed right so i can record the clicky walking sound
[23:18:53] <pupnik> you know, the tak-tak
[23:19:29] <Monochrome_> record what?
[23:19:35] <Monochrome_> ah
[23:19:36] <Monochrome_> well
[23:19:37] <pupnik> the audio samples
[23:19:45] <Monochrome_> you can use the amiga version
[23:20:24] <pupnik> i used to play it on the apple ][ so those were my favorite sounds
[23:20:40] <Monochrome_> amiga sounds are usually superior
[23:20:44] <pupnik> but i'll see if i can find some better wave samples
[23:20:58] <Monochrome_> plus newer amiga emus have integrated recording plugins ;)
[23:21:08] <Monochrome_> you have winuae?
[23:22:05] <Monochrome_> also what are you using to capture the sound?
[23:22:13] <Monochrome_> a desktop capturer like Nicera?
[23:22:35] <Monochrome_> or a plugin tool like fraps?
[23:23:15] <pupnik> i can capture from dosbox
[23:23:16] <pupnik> ok
[23:23:24] <pupnik> man plays mario theme on his hands
[23:23:26] <pupnik> http://youtube.com/watch?v=v0bKq3x74UE
[23:23:34] <Monochrome_> manualist?
[23:23:35] <Monochrome_> seen it
[23:23:40] <pupnik> yeah
[23:23:48] <Monochrome_> you should listen to him play iron maiden
[23:23:51] <Monochrome_> and queen
[23:24:12] <pupnik> hilarious
[23:25:03] <Monochrome_> still
[23:25:08] <Monochrome_> i sugest you to use nicera
[23:25:22] <Monochrome_> its a desktop sound capturer
[23:25:26] <Monochrome_> 30 day trial
[23:25:35] <Monochrome_> its enough 4 u to get teh sounds you need
[23:26:00] <Monochrome_> and if you need to extend the period simple delete teh correspondant entry from teh registry
[23:28:53] <pupnik> ham
[23:29:10] <Monochrome_> you know for capturing the sounds
[23:29:14] <pupnik> yeah
[23:29:29] <pupnik> i got distracted
[23:29:38] <Monochrome_> perhaps its more efficient than synchin dosbox
[23:30:36] <pupnik> well if you end up finding sounds you like gimme a holler and a link
[23:30:40] <pupnik> or recording sounds
[23:31:18] <Monochrome_> ah now i remember
[23:31:37] <Monochrome_> i believe there's a database for ripped amiga sounds
[23:33:55] <Monochrome_> ah w8 i forgot its just 4 music
[23:34:10] <Monochrome_> perhaps i'll try ripping something later
[23:34:14] <Monochrome_> gtg now cya
[23:34:19] <pupnik> ok cu
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