#pentagram@irc.freenode.net logs for 5 Apr 2004 (GMT)

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[15:59:18] <Colourless> holy.....
[16:00:09] <Colourless> i'm being flooded by emails from some mailing list that i can't remember joining since it was so long ago... :-)
[16:38:33] <wjp> hi
[16:38:36] <wjp> heh :-)
[16:38:43] <wjp> so did you actually subscribe yourself? :-)
[16:46:00] <sbx> cya
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[16:51:40] <wjp> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wix/ <-- MS open-sourced their installer toolset?
[16:52:52] <wjp> the source tree has some weird directories in it: dark, candle, lit, light :-)
[16:53:07] <Colourless> interesting
[16:53:21] <Colourless> http://blogs.msdn.com/robmen/archive/2004/04/05/107709.aspx
[16:54:48] <Colourless> those are the names of the various tools :-)
[16:54:56] <wjp> so I see
[16:55:03] <Colourless> The Windows Installer Xml (WiX) toolset (pronounced “wicks toolset”)
[16:55:15] <Colourless> candle... wick... :-)
[16:55:46] <wjp> ah, of course :-)
[16:55:56] <Colourless> hay Ember.... Microsoft is making Puns with it's first open source project
[16:56:01] <Colourless> s/hay/hey/
[16:56:04] <wjp> s/it's/its/
[16:56:22] <Colourless> you have to spoil my fun :-)
[16:56:25] <wjp> if you're correcting typos anyway ;-)
[16:58:17] <wjp> so this would be a toolchain that allows you to build .msi files?
[16:58:24] <Colourless> yeah
[16:58:28] <wjp> was there any way to do that previously?
[16:58:41] <wjp> (outside of microsoft, that is :-) )
[16:59:06] <Colourless> yeah. Visual Studio could... so could InstallShield 6
[16:59:17] <Colourless> or is that IS 7
[16:59:52] <wjp> I wonder in how far it is cross-platform
[16:59:56] <Colourless> but from the blog these are the tools that MS uses itself for it's packages
[17:00:17] <Colourless> well you know the code is going to be full of Win32 :-)
[17:00:22] <wjp> (hm, was that last line from me a terrible dutch-ism?)
[17:00:56] <Colourless> well, it may not have been entirely correct english :-)
[17:10:26] <Colourless> ah /. comments are always so 'interesting'. I liked this one, since it was actually intelligent
[17:10:26] <Colourless> They gave a product away for free, thereby rendering the commerical product at such a great disadvantage that no-one had a reason to use it.
[17:10:26] <Colourless> And how is this different from software released under OpenSource?
[17:10:59] <Colourless> The poster has a point with that. :-)
[17:15:07] <Colourless> though i'm not attempting to defend the actions of a certain company by posting that. Fact of the matter the product the gave away (winsock) was of course bundled with the operating system meaning that it was impossible to compete. A
[17:15:31] <Colourless> of course you could also say that sockets are an OS base service
[17:49:01] <wjp> bbl, dinner
[18:05:55] <wjp> and back
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