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[00:28:23] <rotaticus> gcc 3.3.5-r1 mingw-gcc 3.3.1 libsdl 1.2.7-r3 and sdl-ttf 2.0.7
[00:29:42] <rotaticus> i'm doing something wrong please guide me :(
[00:29:58] <sbx> ?
[00:30:05] <sbx> hi
[00:30:10] <sbx> didn't you already get pentagram compiled?
[00:30:15] <rotaticus> hi sbx
[00:30:46] <rotaticus> no i found it yesterday and i tryed alltime today to compile without errors
[00:31:10] <rotaticus> was it the day before? i don't know anymore
[00:32:19] <sbx> what's the problem?
[00:32:27] <rotaticus> if it had already compiled i'd thank the programmers for such grat work ... but ... it gives me pain in the head ...
[00:32:29] <rotaticus> ok
[00:32:52] <sbx> I'm in linux so not sure if I can help.
[00:33:00] <rotaticus> normally ill do ./configure && make && make install ... here its else
[00:33:26] <watt> Anything specific happening with it?
[00:33:53] <rotaticus> here i have to bash ./bootstrap thats ok ./configure ---lotsofstuff os ok too
[00:34:11] <rotaticus> but make always breaks with something like
[00:34:22] <rotaticus> No rules for target tool/disasm/disasm needed to create all-tools/disasm
[00:35:02] <watt> windows or linux?
[00:35:10] <rotaticus> gentoo linux
[00:35:20] <sbx> oh I thought you were in windows
[00:35:30] <watt> ok... the mingw stuff threw me off
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[00:35:48] <rotaticus> sbx sorry should have said that
[00:36:11] <rotaticus> watt i tryed everything -- so i install all the stuff
[00:36:11] <sbx> The error must be in configure.
[00:36:34] <sbx> or maybe bootstrap
[00:37:13] <rotaticus> i try ./configure --disable-fmopl-midi --enable-3dnow --enable-mmx --enable-random-optimisations --enable-hq2x --enable-gcc-pch normally
[00:37:24] <rotaticus> ok how to check?
[00:38:06] <rotaticus> i also did the configure without --enable-gcc-pch or/and --enable-random-optimisation
[00:38:07] <watt> ... I think gcc pre compiled headers are only in gcc 3.4
[00:38:18] <sbx> yeah could be it
[00:38:27] <sbx> run bootstrap and make sure it generates all the Makefiles in tools/disasm
[00:38:37] <sbx> well, the Makefile
[00:39:03] <rotaticus> ok 1 makefile is there
[00:39:16] <sbx> oh I didn't read it, it uses the Makefile in the root directory
[00:40:13] <sbx> maybe your automake version
[00:40:25] <rotaticus> so 3 Makefiles in / including the mingw makefie
[00:40:39] <sbx> autoconf
[00:41:24] <sbx> no just Makefile
[00:41:25] <rotaticus> autoconf 2.13 and 2.59-r6 called by autoconf-wrapper 2-r1
[00:41:49] <sbx> I have autoconf2.59.
[00:41:58] <rotaticus> Makefile and Makefile.in and Makefile.mingw are in the root
[00:42:17] <rotaticus> ok mingw is overdose
[00:42:17] <watt> the mingw on is for windows.
[00:44:31] <rotaticus> make is running longer than before ... let's see
[00:51:45] <rotaticus> it takes much longer than before ... oO
[00:52:44] <rotaticus> i believe u made it ... thx sbx thx watt please excuse my stupidity
[00:53:36] * rotaticus awaits the happy end
[00:54:54] <rotaticus> nooooooooooooooooooooooo it broke again
[00:55:08] * rotaticus smashes head against table
[00:56:08] <rotaticus> sbx? watt? please ... *crying* heeeeeeeelp please
[00:56:24] <sbx> I'm not even supposed to be here!
[00:56:52] <rotaticus> ok excuse me i'll try at a more human hour ...
[00:57:08] <sbx> hehe
[00:57:12] <sbx> well I can be here
[00:57:16] <sbx> but I'm not on the team
[00:57:47] <rotaticus> that doesn't matter ... it's enough if it helps what u advise
[00:57:52] <rotaticus> :))
[00:58:03] <watt> what's the error?
[00:58:13] <rotaticus> the same as before ...
[00:59:28] <rotaticus> shall i post a lot of lines here?
[00:59:46] <sbx> yes please
[00:59:48] <rotaticus> or will i be kicked for that?
[01:00:01] <watt> post please
[01:00:04] <rotaticus> g++ -Wp,-MMD,"misc/.deps/version.d",-MQ,"misc/version.o",-MP -Wall -g -g -O2 -mmmx -m3dnow -O3 -funroll-loops -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DDATA_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/pentagram\" -I./misc -I./convert -I./convert/u8 -I./convert/crusader -I./misc -I./filesys -I./filesys/zip -I./tools -I./tools/disasm -I./tools/compile -I./tools/flexpack -I./tools/fold -I./tools/shapeconv -I./kernel -I./games -I./graphics -I./graphics/fonts -I./graphics/scalers -I./au
[01:00:04] <rotaticus> dio -I./audio/midi -I./audio/midi/timidity -I./usecode -I./world -I./world/actors -I./gumps -I./gumps/widgets -I./conf -I./. -I. -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -c -o misc/version.o misc/version.cpp
[01:00:04] <rotaticus> make: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Target »tools/disasm/disasm«,
[01:00:05] <rotaticus> benötigt von »all-tools/disasm«, zu erstellen. Schluss.
[01:00:20] <rotaticus> is that enough?
[01:02:42] <rotaticus> is that -O3 too much should it be -O2 perhaps? i don't know i feel so noob
[01:03:00] <watt> horay for babel fish.
[01:04:02] <rotaticus> no rule existing for target »tools/disasm/disasm«, needed to create »all-tools/disasm«, end ....
[01:04:15] <rotaticus> or something like that
[01:04:31] <watt> doesn't sound like the optimization is the problem.. although it may be a little extreme.
[01:04:46] <sbx> I use -02.
[01:04:50] <sbx> O2
[01:04:53] <rotaticus> watt everything else is running fine
[01:04:56] <watt> is this a recent copy of pentagram
[01:05:16] <rotaticus> 2 days? 48h old or something
[01:05:36] <watt> that should be ok.
[01:06:21] <rotaticus> sbx _EVERYTHING_ exept pentagram is running fine ...
[01:07:43] <watt> autoconf --version?
[01:08:01] <watt> and automake --version
[01:08:39] <rotaticus> 2.59 autoconf and automake 1.9.4
[01:09:49] <rotaticus> hey bash ./bootstrap is fast ... i see now there are many errors with aclocal
[01:09:57] <sbx> I get warnings.
[01:10:05] <rotaticus> warnings yes
[01:10:28] <rotaticus> underquoted definitions of ... everything
[01:10:40] <sbx> yup
[01:11:05] <rotaticus> so thats ok ... hmmmm
[01:11:27] <watt> Try automake 1.5
[01:11:36] <sbx> Aren't there some binary snapshots on the website?
[01:12:15] <rotaticus> naa no binarys please thats why i use gentoo ... sort of
[01:12:59] <rotaticus> watt how do i do that ... i've got automake-1.5 here but how to use?
[01:14:57] <watt> I'm trying to remember how to switch it in gentoo as well
[01:15:15] <rotaticus> i'll ask in another chan
[01:17:53] <watt> WANT_AUTOMAKE=1.5
[01:18:23] <sbx> I have 1.8.5. I didn't know automake was used.
[01:18:44] <sbx> It's commented out in bootstrap script.
[01:18:48] <rotaticus> got it WANT_AUTOMAKE_1_5="1" that was easy
[01:19:21] <sbx> highlight_items is a nice feature
[01:21:02] <rotaticus> sbx where is that?
[01:23:21] <sbx> press TAB
[01:23:27] <sbx> oh right you havn't compiled it yet
[01:24:07] <rotaticus> same error as above
[01:24:31] <sbx> it even highlights objects hidden by other objects!
[01:25:17] <watt> once again... automake --version
[01:26:42] <rotaticus> automake allways gives 1.9.4 with your line and with my line
[01:26:59] <watt> export WANT_AUTOMAKE=1.5
[01:27:08] <watt> then version
[01:27:28] <rotaticus> thx
[01:28:15] <rotaticus> ok forgot the export ... *shame on me*
[01:29:01] <rotaticus> now it also gives the correct version*how can that be?!?* :))
[01:30:09] <rotaticus> no errors on bootstrap
[01:31:29] <rotaticus> i got to start make 3times it always erorrs about some file if i start it again it goes to the next file
[01:32:24] <rotaticus> and after 3 times it starts still ending with above error
[01:33:11] <watt> Did you run configure again after the bootstrap?
[01:33:35] <rotaticus> i delete after every try ... yes i run it
[01:34:34] <watt> I'm currently attempting to see if automake was the problem... compiling with automake 1.94
[01:44:43] <rotaticus> again no rule existing for target »tools/disasm/disasm«, needed to create »all-tools/disasm«, end ....here just changed more config options
[01:53:52] <watt> yeah... wasn't automake.. I managed to compile fine...
[01:54:59] <rotaticus> hmm
[01:57:57] <rotaticus> watt nomore for now i'd say ... /me need sleep ...
[01:58:09] <rotaticus> i'll return after hibernation
[01:58:42] <rotaticus> please excuse ...
[01:58:50] <sbx> cya
[01:59:26] <rotaticus> thx too sbx didn't wanted to forget u!
[01:59:36] <rotaticus> gn8!
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[03:27:18] <watt> Ah. The Orginal Swedish Fish candy... which I believe is neither Swedish nor fish.
[03:27:50] * watt shrugs...
[03:29:17] <watt> Still wondering what about rotaticus' problem. I remember seeing something similiar.
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[07:54:19] <wjp> watt: we don't use automake
[07:55:22] <Colourless> automake = teh evil?
[07:55:39] <wjp> I wouldn't quite phrase it like that, but it's definitely broken :-)
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[13:51:06] <rotaticus> i'm back! .... ;)
[13:51:51] <rotaticus> and i'm still having problems ;(
[13:53:01] <rotaticus> i'm on linux trying to compile your beatuyfull project ... but ist fails
[13:54:09] * rotaticus feels like the topic has been reversed an points directly to himself
[13:56:39] <rotaticus> let's see i've still got gcc 3.3.5-r1 and libsdl 1.2.7-r3 and sdl-ttf 2.0.7
[13:58:10] <rotaticus> ./bootstrap wich uses default automake 1.9.4 and autoconf 2.59 runs with alot of underquoted stuff in everything
[13:59:19] <rotaticus> ./configure --enable-3dnow --enable-mmx --enable-random-optimisations --enable-hq2x --disable-fmopl-midi --disable-debug is what i use for configure
[14:01:07] <rotaticus> the error i get is like:
[14:02:01] <rotaticus> g++ -Wp,-MMD,"./.deps/pentagram.d",-MQ,"pentagram.o",-MP -Wall -g -g -O2 -mmmx -m3dnow -O3 -funroll-loops -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DDATA_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/pentagram\" -I./misc -I./convert -I./convert/u8 -I./convert/crusader -I./misc -I./filesys -I./filesys/zip -I./tools -I./tools/disasm -I./tools/compile -I./tools/flexpack -I./tools/fold -I./tools/shapeconv -I./kernel -I./games -I./graphics -I./graphics/fonts -I./graphics/scalers -I./audio
[14:02:01] <rotaticus> -I./audio/midi -I./audio/midi/timidity -I./usecode -I./world -I./world/actors -I./gumps -I./gumps/widgets -I./conf -I./. -I. -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -c -o pentagram.o pentagram.cpp
[14:02:01] <rotaticus> g++ -Wp,-MMD,"misc/.deps/version.d",-MQ,"misc/version.o",-MP -Wall -g -g -O2 -mmmx -m3dnow -O3 -funroll-loops -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DDATA_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/pentagram\"-I./misc -I./convert -I./convert/u8 -I./convert/crusader -I./misc -I./filesys -I./filesys/zip -I./tools -I./tools/disasm -I./tools/compile -I./tools/flexpack -I./tools/fold -I./tools/shapeconv -I./kernel -I./games -I./graphics -I./graphics/fonts -I./graphics/scalers -I./aud
[14:02:05] <rotaticus> io -I./audio/midi -I./audio/midi/timidity -I./usecode -I./world -I./world/actors -I./gumps -I./gumps/widgets -I./conf -I./. -I. -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -c -o misc/version.o misc/version.cpp
[14:02:08] <rotaticus> make: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Target »tools/disasm/disasm«,
[14:02:10] <rotaticus> benötigt von »all-tools/disasm«, zu erstellen. Schluss.
[14:03:27] <rotaticus> the last tryed to translate by me: make: *** No Rule existing, for the Target »tools/disasm/disasm«, needed to create »all-tools/disasm« . Stop
[14:05:48] <rotaticus> is anyone here?
[14:07:29] * rotaticus remains silent now until someone answers and trys on ...
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[15:25:46] <Darke> How odd. Couldn't reproduce it with exact same setup, save for compiler version (3.4.3, vs 3.3.5).
[15:26:14] <Darke> Are you doing an out-of-tree build, or are you building within the source directories?
[15:28:24] * Darke tries again with 3.3.5.something-or-other.
[15:28:30] <rotaticus> i downloaded it from the website 2days ago or what do u mean?
[15:29:28] <rotaticus> so it should be an cvs shnapshot
[15:31:33] <rotaticus> and to more exact on linux it's gentoo today updated x86 tree (stable) a few ~x86 (unstable) kernel 2.6.10-gentoo-r6
[15:33:35] <Darke> Cool. Same config as me... well, with the exception I've also got the 3.4.3 and 4.0.0alpha compilers installed too.
[15:35:42] <rotaticus> so i should ~x86 gcc ???
[15:36:34] <rotaticus> 4.0.alpha is masked ... /me is scared
[15:36:39] <Darke> Nope. I really can't see this being a compiler problem. Looks like our configurey stuff is broken.
[15:37:15] <rotaticus> maybe i'm doing something wrong ....
[15:37:45] * Darke just installed 4.0.0 to make sure that pentagram and exult both compiled cleanly with it. Apart from a few minor picky things it pulled up, they worked fine.
[15:37:51] <rotaticus> i don't really know what is correct on midi configure stuff ... never used before
[15:38:09] <rotaticus> is exult needed?
[15:38:15] <Darke> Nope. *grin*
[15:38:28] <Darke> Not unless you want to play ultima7 anyway. *grin*
[15:38:41] <rotaticus> not yet
[15:39:36] * Darke beats stuff over the head in Diablo2 with rains of ice, whilst waiting for gcc to do it's thing.
[15:40:16] * Darke is vaguely impressed at just how much faster gcc3.4.x is then 3.3.x, 3.3 seems to take so much longer...
[15:41:24] * rotaticus got nforce2 with 2ghz ... doesn't make me wait long
[15:44:36] <rotaticus> when i delete the source and run bootstrap and configure the first time everythin is ok but make
[15:46:01] <rotaticus> makes errors ... it must be run 3 times to start really
[15:47:33] <Darke> Weeeird.
[15:47:43] * rotaticus reproducing
[15:47:51] * Darke just got it to work with his tree. Take three, grab an anon-cvs copy and try that. *grin*
[15:48:14] <rotaticus> hmmm ok deeper look into cvs
[15:49:21] <rotaticus> Darke are u man enough to make it an ebuild .... /me isn't *ducks away*
[15:49:41] <Darke> I'm just wondering if we've managed to produce a broken snapshot...
[15:50:01] <Darke> Nah thanks. If we wait around long enough, someone will make one for us, they did that with exult. *grin*
[15:51:00] <Darke> We don't have anything but snapshot releases yet anyway, so there's no real point in making a full ebuild. *grin*
[15:51:46] <rotaticus> hmmm ok
[15:52:15] <rotaticus> than i have to learn a little cvs stuff and will return then
[15:53:48] <Darke> Having a cvs ebuild is fine, the only problem is they seem to be having a hard enough problem as it is keeping the packages they do have up to date whilst testing them enough to be 'stable', I've got a number of 'bugs' in the gentoo bug system to update packages and I haven't seen one released in a while.
[15:54:26] <Darke> I don't appear to be able to reproduce your problem, even with a clean tree.
[15:55:11] <Darke> If you want to try to grab the anon-cvs and try it, I can provide instructions.
[15:56:03] <rotaticus> let see wait a sec ... thx in the first place ;))
[15:56:34] <Darke> No problem. :)
[15:58:22] <rotaticus> ok please also excuse cvs noobiness ;) i sure need a new dir? i'm there what now?
[15:59:22] <Darke> It'll create a directory for you. Just change to a directory, which doesn't have a 'pentagram' directory inside it. I just cd'd to /tmp/ myself, but you probably want a more stable home for it.
[16:00:26] <rotaticus> its ~/pentagram now is there a place preserved for that stuff?
[16:00:50] <Darke> Then run this command `cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pentagram login` from within that directory.
[16:01:26] <rotaticus> ok pw? anonymous?
[16:01:32] <Darke> Doesn't matter at all what directory. cvs will just create one called 'pentagram', you just don't want to overwrite anything.
[16:01:38] <Darke> Yup. just hit enter.
[16:01:55] <Darke> Next command: `cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pentagram co -P pentagram`
[16:02:09] <rotaticus> cvs login: authorization failed: server cvs.sourceforge.net rejected access to /cvsroot/pentagram for user anonymou
[16:02:19] <rotaticus> am i silly?
[16:02:38] <rotaticus> yes i missed an s
[16:02:46] <rotaticus> sorry
[16:02:46] <Darke> Just hit enter, don't type anything. *grin*
[16:03:03] <rotaticus> ok
[16:04:38] <Darke> Are you getting a whole lot of output from the second command?
[16:05:03] <rotaticus> yes everythin is in pentagram dir
[16:05:30] <Darke> Cool. Once it's finished, cd to the dir, then do the `./bootstrap` and configure commands you used before.
[16:06:04] <rotaticus> i need "bash ./bootstrap" is that normal?
[16:06:41] <Darke> You shouldn't, it should have appropriate execute permissions. Do you have a `/bin/sh`?
[16:07:09] <rotaticus> its a link to bash
[16:07:24] <Darke> That's fine. It 'should' work then.
[16:07:26] <rotaticus> without directorys just bash
[16:08:15] <rotaticus> oh ... it does ... *shame on me*
[16:08:42] <Darke> Heh. You were probably using a windows zip file before, without the +x set properly when you unzipped it.
[16:08:54] <rotaticus> yes
[16:09:11] <Darke> Anyway, so the bootstrap/configure worked, and you're waiting for 'make' to finish?
[16:09:32] <rotaticus> i'm boosting configures options right now
[16:09:43] <Darke> No prob.
[16:10:05] * watt shrugs.
[16:10:56] <rotaticus> ./configure --enable-3dnow --enable-mmx --enable-hq2x --enable-random-optimisations --disable-fmopl-midi went fine running make
[16:11:29] <rotaticus> wb watt
[16:12:00] <watt> I really should become more familiar with autoconf and automake... making a random guess about automake due to the bootstrap warnings I see when I use a different version... sigh
[16:14:48] <Darke> Only if you want to maintain something that uses automake anyway. autoconf is good, but automake needs a thorough redesign. I've noticed lots of stuff seems to be moving towards autoconf+jam or autoconf + their own 'recursive make' replacement.
[16:15:34] * rotaticus is happy with his mighty hello world forces
[16:16:44] * rotaticus can write it in bash hmmmhmmm believe him
[16:17:08] * Darke points rotaticus to the gnu 'hello world' program. Full autoconf/automake support, along with optget, IIRC.
[16:17:43] <Darke> http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/hello.html
[16:17:57] <rotaticus> wtf is optget? and what does this autoconf/automake do?
[16:18:11] <wjp> rotaticus: you downloaded the 'source (suitable for windows)' ?
[16:18:38] <wjp> ah, I see you're already using CVS now
[16:18:44] <rotaticus> aaaaargh wjp yes i did *duck*
[16:19:13] <wjp> there's a reason it's marked like that :-)
[16:19:21] <Darke> rotaticus: autoconf configures the build environment to conform to the hosts. Since different OSes, and different distro's/versions of an OS have things in different places, autoconf hunts them all down and tells the 'make' stuff where they are.
[16:19:38] <wjp> incidentally we don't use automake
[16:19:41] <rotaticus> wjp it was pretty late as i downloaded it pleaaase excuse
[16:20:05] <Darke> rotaticus: automake just helps with Makefile creation (the bit the files read when you type 'make'). We don't use it because it's somewhat evil. *grin*
[16:20:06] <watt> sbx pointed that out somewhat... I wasn't sure
[16:21:48] <rotaticus> hmm nice 2 know perhaps i ll need that when i begin my frist c book
[16:23:38] <rotaticus> it all a long road ... i went from ms-dos to dr-dos to win95 to win98 to winme that flamed me than suse 8.0 and now gentoo for the last 5years
[16:24:11] <rotaticus> and i'm still learning pretty beginner stuff
[16:25:16] <Darke> If you can handle a gentoo install, I'd say you know a solid amount of 'beginner stuff' already, you just need to fill in the gaps. *grin*
[16:26:11] <rotaticus> i handled alot of gentoo installs already *ggg* supported my friends installing
[16:26:23] <rotaticus> an i never used genkernel
[16:26:46] <rotaticus> so it took me 2 weeks to get my first gentoo running ...
[16:28:11] <rotaticus> later i took /proc/config.gz from bootcds but now it takes me 15mins to configure the kernels of the 3 different systems here *i'm pretty proud of that*
[16:29:11] * Darke had to compile the kernel from scratch when he first started with gentoo, genkernel didn't come out for quite a while. *grin* I use genkernel now 'cause it's a heck of a lot faster for him to do it that way, cross the half dozen different spec machines he's got it on. *grin*
[16:29:15] <Darke> Heh.
[16:30:46] <rotaticus> it stopped ... *looking*
[16:31:40] <rotaticus> the last lines are distcc locks i don't care about them ...
[16:32:32] <rotaticus> i've got an executable pentagram *YOU DID IT*!!
[16:32:41] <rotaticus> thx everyone
[16:32:46] <Darke> No problem. *grin*
[16:33:30] <rotaticus> now i got to tell pentagram via the u8.ini where all ste stuff is right?
[16:33:42] <Darke> Yup
[16:33:50] <wjp> no
[16:33:55] <rotaticus> must the dosfilenames be BIG or small?
[16:34:09] <wjp> you need pentagram.ini
[16:34:10] <rotaticus> Darke wjp decide! toss a coin!
[16:34:14] <rotaticus> ok
[16:34:30] <Darke> Eh? Oh, yeah. Sorry, not quite awake here. *grin*
[16:34:42] <wjp> uppercase and lowercase are both fine
[16:34:48] <rotaticus> ok thx
[16:34:52] * Darke is so used to u8 being pentagram he read that as 'pentagram.ini' rather then 'u8.ini'. *grin*
[16:35:44] <wjp> ~/.pentagram/pentagram.ini , by the way
[16:36:51] * Darke decides to invest in some Zzzz's, since he probably should have been asleep 3 hours ago. *grin* Night! *Zzzz...*
[16:37:08] <rotaticus> Darke gn8 *ggg*
[16:37:20] <rotaticus> wjp ok even better
[16:37:56] <rotaticus> what about the pentagram viewer? what can i view with that?
[16:45:59] <wjp> graphics, maps and such
[16:46:07] <rotaticus> nice
[16:52:36] <rotaticus> yes
[16:52:45] <rotaticus> gotit working
[16:58:30] <rotaticus> very nice one ... thx u all
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[18:14:22] <watt> hmm.. this image ended up way lamer than I ever thought possible.
[18:14:23] <watt> http://myweb.unomaha.edu/~mjimenez/HoRS.gif
[18:16:30] <watt> never intended it to look that dumb... but hell, good enough for a class.
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[18:41:25] <sbx> HoRS!!
[18:44:13] <sbx> Nothing beats the power of a HoRS.
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[20:43:35] <watt> We were going to call it the web hotel reservation system... but that would have been too obvious.
[20:44:10] <watt> I so hate that class... sigh
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[22:59:57] <Chetic> Sorry for not talking btw
[23:00:23] <Chetic> If there's ever anything I can help out with, like testing something, please ask me
[23:00:27] <Chetic> I'd be honored
[23:01:43] <sbx> no problem
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