[00:40:02] <Zain> undocumented Stuff are cool
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[03:41:56] <watt> Undocumented stuff is sometime dangerous.. but cool nonetheless.
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[10:04:49] <dolny> hello
[10:04:55] <dolny> i have a question concerning the installation
[10:04:57] <dolny> is anybody here?
[10:05:26] <wjp> hi
[10:05:34] <wjp> that was an easy question :-)
[10:06:12] <dolny> a little warm up :)
[10:06:20] <dolny> well i cant install it on linux
[10:06:24] <dolny> through cvs
[10:06:35] <dolny> it downloaded something, i launched .bootstrap
[10:06:46] <dolny> and then i shoudl write ./configure
[10:06:49] <dolny> but it doesnt work
[10:07:07] <wjp> what exactly did you download?
[10:07:18] <dolny> [root@96-26 pentagram]# ./configure
[10:07:18] <dolny> bash: ./configure: not such file or directory
[10:07:23] <dolny> the cvs thingy
[10:07:24] <dolny> :
[10:07:46] <dolny> http://pentagram.sourceforge.net/docs.php#building_linux
[10:08:33] <wjp> before that, did you properly checkout CVS?
[10:08:50] <dolny> what do you mean?
[10:08:51] <wjp> or did you download the "Source (suitable for Windows)" from our download page ?
[10:08:58] <dolny> i used the cvs
[10:09:07] <dolny> didnt download the source
[10:09:29] <wjp> ok, so what did running bootstrap do?
[10:09:30] <dolny> cvs -d:pserver:firstname.lastname@example.org:/cvsroot/pentagram login
[10:09:30] <dolny> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:email@example.com:/cvsroot/pentagram co -P modulename
[10:09:31] <dolny> did this
[10:09:52] <wjp> ok, that's good. (assuming you replaced modulename by 'pentagram')
[10:10:04] <dolny> yes i did :) i'm not an idiot (i hope)
[10:10:59] <wjp> what did running bootstrap do?
[10:11:40] <dolny> [root@96-26 pentagram]# ./bootstrap
[10:11:40] <dolny> Initial preparation...this can take awhile, so sit tight...
[10:11:40] <dolny> ./bootstrap: line 19: aclocal: command not found
[10:11:40] <dolny> ./bootstrap: line 27: autoheader: command not found
[10:11:40] <dolny> ./bootstrap: line 34: autoconf: command not found
[10:11:41] <dolny> Writing Makefiles:
[10:11:43] <dolny> tools/Makefile
[10:11:48] <dolny> and then some files
[10:11:51] <dolny> and at the end:
[10:11:52] <wjp> you need to install autoconf
[10:12:00] <dolny> conf/Makefile
[10:12:01] <dolny> You are now ready to run ./configure ...
[10:12:02] <dolny> oh
[10:12:05] <dolny> so i thought
[10:12:08] <dolny> i did a minute ago
[10:12:13] <dolny> should i run bootstrap again
[10:12:16] <wjp> yes
[10:12:17] <dolny> or delete the files
[10:12:21] <dolny> and do that again?
[10:12:24] <dolny> from the cvs point
[10:12:27] <wjp> just run bootstrap again
[10:12:34] <dolny> ok
[10:12:52] <wjp> it should clean up anything left over from the last run automatically
[10:16:50] <dolny> hows the development going?
[10:17:08] <dolny> slowly, new version soon or what :>?
[10:17:18] <wjp> steadily :-)
[10:18:12] <dolny> man i hate the look of the main character in ultima 8 :)
[10:18:23] <dolny> he looks like a guy with a bucket on the head;>
[10:18:38] <dolny> i wish it was possible to choose another look
[10:18:59] <dolny> and i know thats impossible ;> especially at this point
[10:19:12] <dolny> what is your favourite ultima ?
[10:19:20] <wjp> Serpent Isle, probably
[10:19:43] <dolny> i played many old games, im an abandonware freak but i never played any ultime the time it was released
[10:19:48] <dolny> i only read about them
[10:20:03] <dolny> i remember when i read about ultima online when it came out, there was no internet connection here in poland
[10:20:18] <dolny> i mean it was really hard to get one (and expensive)
[10:21:02] <dolny> ps ive read that they wanted to release UO in 1992 or 1994 but they postponed it because the internet was not so popular. If i should shut up and talk only about Pentagram, just say so ;d
[10:25:15] <dolny> ok i get it ;>
[10:25:40] <wjp> I'm just a bit busy at the moment :-)
[10:25:47] <dolny> no problem
[10:25:49] <wjp> feel free to talk, but I probably won't reply much :-)
[10:26:04] <dolny> ill just msg when my compilers finish to install
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[10:54:17] <wjp> hi Max
[10:56:53] <dolny> hi whoever you are
[10:57:02] <dolny> (compiling - make in progress)
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[11:08:50] <Fingolfin> hi Willem
[11:09:02] <Fingolfin> hi Ryan, Travis, etc. :-)
[11:09:04] <Fingolfin> hi all
[11:09:12] <Colourless> hi
[11:15:04] <Fingolfin> so, I have to reboot, bbiab
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[21:30:00] <dolny> back
[21:31:12] <dolny> If anybody likes Tolkien
[21:31:21] <dolny> ...and retro / old-school gaming
[21:31:51] <dolny> www.middle-earth.us :) great atmosphere, the best MUD I've played my entire life
[21:31:52] <dolny> ;>
[21:51:05] <watt> Hehe... that "HoRS" image I linked didn't look nearly as bad as I originally thought after making the prototype complete.....
[21:51:40] <watt> and it was a quite successful prototype too... I think I might actually pass that class after all
[21:52:01] <watt> http://fallofrome.dyndns.org:8080/hors user:hors passwd:hors
[21:53:27] <watt> (it should be safe to post that... considering I'll likely remove it in two weeks or change passwords.
[21:54:28] <watt> now to see about finishing up the last of my school work... ever
[21:57:19] <wjp> I have a pentagram binary here that doesn't require any data files :-)
[21:57:48] <watt> woah... neat
[21:59:14] <wjp> there's just a bit of a cyclic dependency problem in the pentagram initialization now
[21:59:17] <wjp> :-)
[22:00:05] <wjp> and the build system doesn't actually automatically produce the header containing all the data files yet
[22:00:10] <wjp> and... and... :-)
[22:01:36] <wjp> building the tool to build that header 'the right way' will be tricky
[22:01:56] <wjp> (since when cross-compiling, it should use a different compiler than the rest)
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