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[00:19:40] <servus> Well, I have the site in a pretty good state, with SSI includes for the top and bottom of the page (All the logo and copyright information can be changed by modifying a single file!)... I can make a CGI program to add news also, if you like... Wondered if you finally wanted it. ;)
[00:21:23] <wjp> no CGI please :-)
[00:21:31] <servus> But it's funnnnn!
[00:21:42] <servus> I made a few CGI programs last night and I got all excited. *grin*
[00:23:07] <wjp> connection refused?
[00:24:12] <servus> Oh, I turned the site off of course
[00:24:29] <servus> It doesn't look any different from your side, but the main page is 12 lines long :)
[00:24:32] <servus> Try again
[00:24:47] <servus> http://4.60.123.159/pent/
[00:25:38] <servus> But... why no CGI? Isn't PHP CGI?
[00:25:59] <wjp> not usually
[00:26:28] <servus> Hmm, well how could it run if it wasn't in the cgi-bin?
[00:26:42] <wjp> btw, your page isn't valid HTML even though you do claim it is :-)
[00:26:47] <servus> Also, there seems to have been some contention on how to load a snippet of code into all HTML files, here it is http://4.60.123.159/pent/index.txt
[00:26:50] <servus> Ah, I modified it ;)
[00:26:51] <wjp> php is also an apache module
[00:27:10] <servus> I will fix the HTML errors...
[00:27:49] <wjp> contention? hm, I don't think I've ever seen that word used like this
[00:27:59] * wjp peeks
[00:28:00] <wjp> ah, SSI #include
[00:28:47] <servus> Indeed.
[00:29:10] <servus> "There is no height attribute"... Perhaps I have it set as the wrong type of HTML?
[00:30:48] <wjp> I'm not really happy with the links being on top of the image
[00:32:14] <servus> No?
[00:33:23] <wjp> especially when the number of links there will increase it'll get too un-clear (for lack of a better word), IMHO
[00:33:59] <servus> Okay.
[00:35:44] <wjp> ugh; I should've been in bed hours ago
[00:35:52] <wjp> I'd better go before I fall asleep right here :-)
[00:35:58] <wjp> night
[00:36:00] <servus> !
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[13:33:50] <wjp> hi
[13:34:05] <Colourless> hi
[13:34:25] <DarkeZzz> Hi.
[13:35:14] <Colourless> it speaks, while it sleeps
[13:35:23] <wjp> it does that a lot :-)
[13:35:42] <wjp> (in fact, "it"'s been sleeping non-stop for months now :-) )
[13:36:47] <Colourless> hibernation silly
[13:37:25] <DarkeZzz> Something like that. *grin*
[13:37:30] <wjp> ah, of course :-)
[13:37:38] <wjp> it's winter down there :-)
[14:18:40] * DarkeZzz hibernates at the back of a dragon's lair. It tends to ensure he's rarely disrupted. Though it gets noisy occasionally when a random wandering idiot^Wknight decides to harass said dragon, but it quickly quietens down again, and there's some new metal ornaments strewn around.
[14:19:08] <wjp> shiny ones :-)
[14:20:48] <Colourless> ooh!
[14:20:59] <DarkeZzz> Well... kinda shiny. A little dulled usually.
[14:21:25] <DarkeZzz> Dragonfire doesn't usually play nice with the condition of metal, y'know.
[14:22:02] <Colourless> you.... disappoint me
[14:23:30] <DarkeZzz> What for, in specific, this time? *grin*
[14:25:41] <Colourless> no shiney ones!
[14:25:54] <Colourless> s/shiney/shiny/
[14:26:31] <Colourless> but, it looks like you wouldn't even know what 'shiny ones' actually are :-)
[14:27:32] <DarkeZzz> Why should I go around polishing knights? And besides, shinythings distract the sentry squirrel.
[14:28:16] <Colourless> wjp! help me!
[14:29:16] <Colourless> this individual obviously needs enlightening
[14:31:13] <DarkeZzz> And besides, the only particularly easy way to get a knight out of it's armour without making it non-shiny, is to use a dragon-sized can opener. Which give me Winger-esque mental images, Which Is Bad(tm).
[14:33:23] <wjp> Colourless: hm, it might be too late for this one...
[14:35:30] <wjp> he already referred to them as "shinythings" ones... *sigh*... no hope left ;-)
[14:35:34] <wjp> s/ones/once/
[14:44:43] <Colourless> well, here is a start, but i too believe there is no hope: http://www.users.on.net/triforce/BOTSM03.wav
[14:51:20] * DarkeZzz suspects he's lost the plot. Which is sad because he likes plots. *sniffle* They make books *so* much more interesting then *here's* a bunch of characters and *here's* a bunch of places and oh, look, they're all intersecting.
[15:40:25] * wjp wonders when he'll start replaying BG+BG2+ToB
[15:53:22] <wjp> Colourless: any thoughts on zipped savegames? Specifically, at which 'level' do you want to compress things? We can compress the individual 'files' with zlib, compile the entire save with zlib, use the zip library we also use in exult (and again either per-file or everything-in-a-single-file)
[15:53:51] <wjp> some of these would have to be implemented on a filesystem level, others on a 'flex' level
[15:54:13] <wjp> easiest is probably using zlib to compress individual files
[16:08:54] <Colourless> my opinion, individual files
[16:11:48] <wjp> would you prefer a 'real' zip file?
[16:13:15] <Colourless> the alternative would be?
[16:14:03] <wjp> using zlib to compress individual objects into something similar to our current savegame format
[16:14:42] <wjp> doesn't require changes on a filesystem level :-)
[16:15:13] <Colourless> using a standard zip file, would in the end, simplify things
[16:15:30] <Colourless> since if changes were made on the filesystem level, they would be universal
[16:15:37] <wjp> true
[16:15:45] <wjp> we were planning on doing that sometime, anyway
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[18:20:20] <wjp> wb
[18:20:37] <Colourless> i didn't know i was gone
[18:20:52] <wjp> you were :-)
[18:21:01] <Colourless> yes, so the logs say :-)
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[18:21:10] <Colourless> [03:49] *** Topic is 'http://pentagram.sf.net/'
[18:21:18] <Colourless> vs
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[18:21:56] <wjp> 30 minute timeout?
[18:25:18] <Colourless> no idea
[18:25:38] <Colourless> server window only has this:
[18:25:39] <Colourless> [03:49] *** [10053] Software caused connection abort
[18:25:39] <Colourless> -
[18:25:39] <Colourless> [03:49] *** Disconnected
[18:28:11] <Colourless> now, i wasn't in the room when it looks like that all occured. When i just came back to my computer it reconected
[18:29:22] <Colourless> why that would have happened though, i have no idea
[18:52:25] <Colourless> i'm going now
[18:52:25] <Colourless> cya
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[20:25:25] <Cyberworm> hi
[20:27:10] <Fingolfin> lo
[20:27:44] <Cyberworm> where are you from?
[20:28:09] <Fingolfin> I am from Germany, like you probably are, too
[20:28:56] <Cyberworm> yes
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