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[07:02:11] <watt> Just thought of a concept we may need. BatchProcess - process that sequentially runs a list of other processes.. I think we may desire several animations at some point to be run back to back (like running into a wall and then falling over)... this couold be the simplest way to solve it.
[07:02:25] <watt> s/couold/could/
[07:04:12] <watt> or hell... run - hit wall - fall over - stand up - shake head. hmmmm... just a thought.
[07:35:44] <wjp> hm, just have each process wait for the previous one
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[08:47:21] <wjp> or in this specific case we could have AvatarMoverProcess take care of it
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[11:32:31] <Dominus> Hi, just got an answer from one of the Crusader-PSX developers (I wrote last night because I wondered if the PSX was newly developed)
[11:33:07] <Dominus> "It was a complete re-write, we just used the PC version as a blueprint. We
[11:33:07] <Dominus> used the PC levels as a base, but we removed a considerable amount of the
[11:33:07] <Dominus> inefficiencies"
[11:55:03] <Dominus> got to go again
[11:55:18] <Dominus> see you maybe later tonight
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[16:53:31] <Dark-Star> hiya :)
[16:54:24] <Dark-Star> a lot of activity in CVS recently...
[17:13:21] <wjp> really? I hadn't noticed ;-)
[17:13:56] <Dark-Star> well, my last update was from 2 months ago, so "recently" means "in the last 2 months" for me :)
[17:14:17] <wjp> oh, in that case, yes, a lot happened :-)
[17:14:42] <wjp> 275 commit mails in the last 2 months
[17:14:58] <wjp> compared to 56 in the two months before that
[17:15:29] <Dark-Star> yup. new developer, new config file format, new/moved files... time to update my MSVC project again
[17:16:29] <Dark-Star> seems like you've all finally got some spare time to waste on pentagram ;-)
[19:33:32] <watt> hmmm... perhaps we should move forward a bit more on the website thing... what do we still need?
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[19:44:30] <Dominus> hi
[19:44:47] <Dominus> watt: about the homepage
[19:45:31] <Dominus> colourless had some misgivings about the mapped navigation picture
[19:45:47] <Dominus> that's all stopping us from putting one online/in CVS
[19:53:45] <watt> okie....hmmm... how to solve that... think the using is as the bg for it's div with the link images separate would work well?
[19:54:12] <Dominus> yeah, he said link images would be fine
[19:55:07] <sbx> Crusader PSX!
[19:55:22] * sbx cheers.
[19:55:35] <watt> hmm.. but then they'd have to be gifs for proper IE transparency, right?
[19:55:40] <Dominus> For my part I'm not completely happy with the sidebar at all, as I would prefer same logo for app and webpage, but as we don't have a logo that is kind of nonsense
[19:56:26] <Dominus> IE is just too sucky...
[19:57:42] <Dominus> probably yes, only gif would work correctly
[19:58:56] <Dominus> watt: ignore my comment about the logo, for now I'd rather see a much better webpage than the one we had
[19:59:03] <Dominus> have, actually :-)
[19:59:52] <watt> yes, I thought using the logo would be nice (the test one on Colourless' page), but it's all black, and I really don't think a black webpage would look all that great.
[20:00:06] <Dominus> I agree on that
[20:00:54] <watt> besides, I'm getting better at gimp, which was 90% of the reason I wanted to do the mockup
[20:01:01] <Dominus> maybe black with red lettering to make it look really like a satanism website
[20:01:11] <Dominus> :-)
[20:02:18] <watt> yeah... pointing friends a collegues to a site with pentagrams all in black and red with fire might not work too well ;-)
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[20:02:27] <watt> s/a/and/
[20:03:34] <Dominus> OTOH the sidebar distinguishes the pentagram website from the exult one :-)
[20:03:50] <watt> bingo.
[20:04:56] <watt> helps enforce the viewpoint expressed in 1.1 of the FAQ
[20:05:35] <Dominus> and we can alwasy do it different when we feel like it
[20:07:21] <Dominus> so, yeah, apart from Colourless' veto on the mapped sidebar I'm all for putting the new layout online
[20:15:43] <Dominus> sbx: yup, crusader for psx is quite fun
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[20:26:24] <sbx> Dominus: did you play it on a real PSX yet?
[20:26:51] <Dominus> no, don't have one, but I have a real PSX-Controller hooked up
[20:36:07] <wjp> hi Dominus, watt, sbx
[20:36:27] <wjp> uh, IE needs gif? what's wrong with png?
[20:36:39] <Dominus> it has a problem with transparency
[20:37:02] <wjp> and not with gif transparency?
[20:37:11] <Dominus> don't think so
[20:37:16] <wjp> that's pretty stupid
[20:37:32] <wjp> I'm tempted to just ignore that problem
[20:37:51] <Dominus> but I just thought as long as we intend to have it white anyway, just make it white on white and no problem with trans...
[20:38:01] <Dominus> it is :-)
[20:39:01] <Dominus> problem with ignoring and using transparency with the logo (trans becomes black) and transparency with the link-pics it will become hard to read :-)
[20:54:46] <wjp> does transparency become black or does it simply ignore the alpha layer?
[20:57:03] <Dominus> don't know, sorry
[20:59:15] <wjp> how on earth can this not be fixed yet?
[20:59:31] <watt> IE is a toy.
[20:59:36] <watt> There
[20:59:48] <wjp> yes, but most toys actually work :-)
[20:59:55] <Dominus> oh, well, you know, they are busy with fixing all their security holes
[20:59:58] <watt> There's a lot of problems with IE they have'nt fixed
[21:00:00] <Dominus> NOT
[21:00:37] <watt> Most problems they don't fix deal with technology theyu don
[21:00:53] <watt> don't embrace, merely try to comply with
[21:01:32] <wjp> as far as I'm concerned, I'd say just use png with transparency
[21:01:36] <watt> ssh sessions don't work right on some versions cause disconnects...... that took a long time to find out
[21:02:35] <watt> I read through the sources of jetty and tomcat for a long time before I realized it was IE's fault
[21:03:02] <wjp> you mean ssl?
[21:04:42] * watt nods.
[21:06:29] <watt> set me back a week on a contract... then it came down to enabling a hack jetty recently added to make IE 5.5 work to also work with IE 6+
[21:07:04] <watt> one line of code for a week of development... sad.
[21:09:11] <watt> anyway.. thinking I'm gonna go with the blank bar as the bg and the links as transparent gifs. That should work
[21:09:45] <wjp> you'll just lose full alpha transparency
[21:13:24] <watt> ?
[21:13:50] <wjp> gifs only have colour-key transparency, right?
[21:15:01] <watt> I believe they set aside one colour to act as transparent
[21:15:15] <watt> so, yes?
[21:15:39] <wjp> pngs have a full alpha channel
[21:16:05] <wjp> so you can't do properly anti-aliased text on a transparent background with gif
[21:17:40] <watt> right, but they actually won't need it hopefully... it wasn't highly anti-aliased text to begin with.. the center was, but the black border to the text wasn't
[21:17:58] <watt> and the center should look the same.
[21:19:18] <wjp> hm, the black border does seem to have a very light transparent border around it (alpha 20 out of 255)
[21:19:37] <wjp> but that probably isn't really visible
[21:20:07] <watt> if it doesn't work, then I'
[21:20:24] <watt> I'll just split the navbar image
[21:24:06] <wjp> the good part about having separate images is that we can easily leave out the missing sections for now :-)
[21:24:13] <watt> yup
[21:24:16] <wjp> like, most of them ;-)
[21:24:34] <watt> hehe
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[21:58:24] <watt> oooh... got a cool looking bonus result of the sf and w3c link images being place in the navbar
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[22:14:26] <wjp> looks pretty good
[22:15:20] <wjp> the spacing between the images looks a bit irregular, though; but that's just a detail
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[22:18:09] <watt> night...
[22:19:05] <watt> IE also doesn't want to deal with a part of the css right.... a bit more work I guess... use a table instead probably.
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[22:38:51] <watt> Opera really treats the side bar nicely while loading
[22:41:25] <watt> although it only takes forever to send it over to my other machines... something's gotta be wrong with my network
[22:44:14] <watt> heh... could look a little better in links2 -g