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[09:14:39] <wjp> Colourless: you wouldn't happen to have any ideas about that cachein stuff? I don't get it...
[09:15:20] <Colourless> um... yex
[09:15:24] <Colourless> yes i have one
[09:15:43] <Colourless> dont call cachin for the avatar when the avatar
[09:15:53] <Colourless> IF the view is on the avatar
[09:16:04] <Colourless> but that will still probably break things
[09:16:34] <Colourless> could just not call it on the avatar...
[09:17:46] <wjp> the original does seem to call it on the avatar, but somehow it never gets far
[09:22:16] <wjp> I do have savegames which have the getUp flag set
[09:22:26] <servus> You can uncache the avatar in Ultima 8 :)
[09:22:29] <wjp> and that flag is only set by usecode at the end of AVATAR::cachein
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[09:23:22] <wjp> so it might break something I can't quite remember when we never call it
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[09:24:02] <servus> Hello Sharptoothe.
[09:24:13] <wjp> I wonder if the crusaders have any cachein usecode
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[19:00:04] <Dominus> hi
[19:00:14] <Dominus> wjp: I don't see a reason why we couldn't use xml-style for data
[19:00:41] <sbx> hi
[19:01:34] <Dominus> with the cfg my problem was that it is much easier for normal users to use them in ini-style
[19:02:02] <Dominus> but normal users shouldn't have to edit the data-files, so they can be as obscure as you want :-)
[19:06:59] <wjp> hi Dominus
[19:09:57] <Dominus> wjp: looking at the cvs-comitts you finished your distraction for now ? :-)
[19:10:08] <wjp> distraction?
[19:10:25] <Dominus> whatever game you were playing
[19:10:35] <wjp> hm, haven't played any games in a while
[19:10:42] <sbx> weren't you playing Deus Ex?
[19:10:48] <Dominus> nope
[19:10:50] <wjp> finished that a while ago
[19:10:53] <sbx> hehe ok
[19:10:58] <sbx> I havn't ever played it
[19:11:11] <Dominus> I have been playing u9 but as always got distracted and need to get back on it :-)
[19:11:37] <wjp> I'm currently in the middle of games of Geneforge 2 and BG2-ToB, but haven't played the former in ages and the latter in weeks
[19:11:52] <Dominus> and how is geneforge 2?
[19:12:41] <sbx> hey I knew you were playing BG2-ToB
[19:12:44] <wjp> hm, pretty good, but not as addictive as Geneforge 1
[19:12:44] <sbx> but I thought Colourless was
[19:13:10] <wjp> or maybe the distractions were more distracting than when I the ones from when I was playing Geneforge 1 :-)
[19:13:23] <Dominus> I'm always picking up BG2 in stores but I'll wait until it gets even cheaper :-)
[19:14:05] <wjp> I'm very close to the ending of ToB but I'm not high level enough yet to tackle the last level of Watcher's Keep...
[19:14:37] <wjp> so I need to find a good place to 'train' a bit...
[19:15:04] <sbx> is Geneforge that spiderwebsoftware geemu?
[19:15:09] <wjp> yes
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[19:15:11] <sbx> game*:)
[19:15:25] <sbx> what do you think of all the complaints on their message boards?
[19:15:30] <sbx> not specifically about geneforge
[19:15:33] <sbx> sound like whiners to me
[19:15:39] <Dominus> I wish spiderweb would do a different game layout
[19:16:25] <wjp> I wish they'd go back to Exile-like engines :-)
[19:16:47] <Dominus> he he
[19:16:50] <sbx> you didn't like Avernum?
[19:17:22] <wjp> I did, but the Exile engine was easier to handle, IMHO
[19:17:40] <Dominus> true
[19:17:45] <wjp> really liked all three Avernums, though
[19:18:32] <wjp> can't say I looked at the spiderweb forums recently
[19:18:49] <Dominus> Vogel really makes good games, story wise.
[19:19:38] <Dominus> what do they complain about in the forums?
[19:19:55] <sbx> user support
[19:20:05] <sbx> not putting in things they request for BoE
[19:20:07] <sbx> and BoA
[19:20:55] <sbx> acting like he is god by declaring what will be in the games and not answering all complaints on the boards (well it is his game after all)
[19:21:05] <sbx> having bad staff
[19:22:59] <Dominus> all my contacts with Vogel were nice ones
[19:23:43] <sbx> I never talked to him but he sounds nice enough.
[19:24:41] <Dominus> I contected him once ages ago about something in the exile 3 demo and then again when I pointed out a scripting bug in Geneforge
[20:25:05] * Fingolfin had nice contact with SW/Vogel, too
[20:25:40] <Fingolfin> then again, if I look at the user<->devel interatcion in ScummVM, and some of the complaints on our boards...
[20:25:59] <Fingolfin> some people "ask" for things in a rather peculiar way =)
[20:26:10] * Dominus won't be tempted to look there
[20:26:18] * Dominus can imagine
[20:26:37] <Dominus> after all our (exult) forum is just about two games
[20:26:51] <Dominus> and scummvm is about a lot more
[20:28:35] * wjp wonders if spidweb has any new games planned
[20:47:34] <Fingolfin> Dominus: aye. we have our "friends" on the exult forums, too, of course =)
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