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[00:55:57] --- Marzo_away is now known as Marzo
[00:57:14] <Marzo> Hi
[00:57:35] <wizardrydragon> Mmmm ... flan.
[00:58:00] <Marzo> That is funny... my brother said that today too
[01:00:17] <wizardrydragon> lol
[01:01:06] <Marzo> What *is* flan, anyway?
[01:01:29] <wizardrydragon> Basically cake swith a different kind of icing and lots and lots of fruit on top
[01:01:31] <Marzo> Oh, nevermind. Wikipedia to the rescue
[01:02:46] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[01:03:27] <wizardrydragon> The sheer niavete of some people on internet discussion boards never ceases to surprise me
[01:03:54] <Marzo> Please elaborate
[01:04:25] <wizardrydragon> There is a discussion on one board I frequent about that North Korean guy's bomb test, and one poster was saying "Well he has a right to do that" (well in a somewhat more lengthy matter)
[01:04:54] <wizardrydragon> To which my reply was "I don't remember anything in any charter of freedoms or national constitution securing someone the right to build weapons of mass destruction
[01:06:15] <Marzo> Well, you have to understand that many people usually tend to see these things in black and white
[01:06:31] <wizardrydragon> Oh I do,
[01:06:38] <wizardrydragon> Hence the comment about niavete :)
[01:06:51] <Marzo> More specifically, they tend to oppose diametrically whatever the official government policy is, however sensible it happens to be
[01:06:58] <Marzo> Indeed
[01:06:58] <wizardrydragon> Ha!
[01:07:01] <wizardrydragon> How true.
[01:07:45] <wizardrydragon> When the conservative party was elected here a year ago, I found myself in the very awkward and odd-feelign position of having a government I actually agree with
[01:08:05] <Marzo> It sometimes happens that people in the government get it right; and sometimes they don't. But in most of the cases, things are much more complicated than a simple 'right' or 'wrong'
[01:08:16] <wizardrydragon> Indeed it is.
[01:08:44] * wizardrydragon somehow thinks of the encouter with Blackthorn in U5 :)
[01:09:06] <Marzo> Out of curiosity (and due to really bad memory for this sort of thing): which country are you from again?
[01:09:14] <Marzo> Heh
[01:09:19] <wizardrydragon> Canada
[01:09:57] <Marzo> (I will probably end up asking you again this very same question in the near future, but...)
[01:10:22] <wizardrydragon> Hmm. Mirrowind handles item ownership very oddly. Instead of assigning the parent to, well the player, they assign it to an NPC named "player" that is a pointer to the player :P
[01:11:20] <Marzo> I think this might be for better engine organization
[01:11:33] <wizardrydragon> True
[01:11:48] <wizardrydragon> I'm a big fan of keeping things straightforward and simple, though :P
[01:11:52] <Marzo> (and I assume that you meant 'Morrowind'?)
[01:12:06] <wizardrydragon> Yes
[01:12:08] <Marzo> Simple is not always the same as straightforward
[01:12:21] <wizardrydragon> Well in this case it would be :)
[01:12:27] <Marzo> (nor the reverse, for that matter)
[01:12:55] <wizardrydragon> Especially since it complicates things having the NPC "Player", because if you accidentally call it in conversation scripts Really, Really Bad Things (TM) happen.
[01:13:51] <Marzo> It may be that by having this 'player' NPC, the engine itself can be alot simpler or more efficient
[01:14:00] <Marzo> *a lot
[01:14:31] <wizardrydragon> All I know is Im sure that at least one of their mappers probably had fun fixing one of *those* mishaps! :D
[01:15:35] <Marzo> It depends greatly on the tools they used to make the game (as opposed to whatever tools they released for modders)
[01:16:04] <wizardrydragon> The TES Construction Kit they released is the selfsame tool they used for development, just a little prettier :P
[01:17:51] <wizardrydragon> Hmm it also appears the instances of objects aren't seperate children, so if you change a property on one, you change it on every single one.
[01:17:56] <Marzo> Interesting
[01:18:08] <wizardrydragon> I imagine most people probably find that one out the hard way :D
[01:18:41] <wizardrydragon> "Why are my candles now all the same sttrength as the sun?"
[01:18:49] <Marzo> lol
[01:19:47] <wizardrydragon> Theyre all children of "light" and it doesnt automatically assume you're creating a unique child.
[01:20:25] <Marzo> Perhaps there is a way to create a 'superlight' object based on 'light'?
[01:20:45] <wizardrydragon> Which is a good thing effficiency-wise, but nto time wise since making a child object inherit properly is a bit of a fuss.
[01:21:24] <Marzo> Hm. Not much; depends on how it is done
[01:21:54] <Marzo> (like everything else...)
[01:22:09] * wizardrydragon was rather annoyed that Morrowind doesn't let you buy a house to stash your loot in as it's predececssor Daggerfall, so he's building his own.
[01:35:27] <Marzo> lol
[01:35:57] * Marzo is sometimes annoyed that Miranda warns when someone says something but not when they *emote* it...
[01:36:22] <wizardrydragon> lol
[02:21:11] --> Crysta has joined #TFL
[02:21:38] <Crysta> hey
[02:21:47] <wizardrydragon> hi
[02:21:52] <Marzo> Hi
[02:21:54] <wizardrydragon> woah its getting crowded in here
[02:22:01] <Marzo> Yeah
[02:22:01] <Crysta> so what all have I missed
[02:22:03] <Crysta> lol
[02:22:19] <wizardrydragon> Umm just us getting hurt, apparently :P
[02:22:24] <Marzo> If Vistaer shows up, we will have to kick someone or we may experience horrible lag :-)
[02:22:41] <Crysta> hurt? o.O
[02:22:42] <wizardrydragon> The lag! The unbearable lag!
[02:23:11] <wizardrydragon> Hey Marzo, did yhou ever figure out how you got that compressed nerve, anyways? (That's what it was, right?)
[02:23:26] <Crysta> what? o__O;
[02:23:47] <Marzo> From using my laptop; I was leaning on my elbows (mostly on the left one) which led to the problem
[02:24:14] <wizardrydragon> Ooh fun
[02:24:18] <Marzo> I got an external keyboard and I am switching to a better table
[02:24:48] <wizardrydragon> Apparently I did a good enough job on my leg that my doctor doesnt want me to work for two months.
[02:24:55] <Crysta> ....
[02:25:00] <wizardrydragon> Evidently he hasnt heard of "rent"
[02:25:05] <Marzo> Wow
[02:25:11] <Crysta> a tiiiiny bit of explanation here would be good for me
[02:25:26] <Marzo> What exactly did you do with your leg anyway?
[02:25:28] <wizardrydragon> Umm my leg started hurting very abruptlhy a couple months ago
[02:25:40] <wizardrydragon> I'm not even sure.
[02:25:49] <Crysta> ah
[02:25:58] <wizardrydragon> It's not like stocking shelves or teaching painting are arduous tasks with high risk of leg injury
[02:26:26] <Crysta> actually depending on how much weight you happen to be lifting and how much bending and such
[02:26:37] <Crysta> it could be very damaging being a p[ainting teacher :P
[02:26:51] <wizardrydragon> We're talking pysically, not emotionally here ;)
[02:27:10] <Crysta> didnt know you were a teacher
[02:27:45] <wizardrydragon> Well look at that, youve been here for only a few a minutes and you already learned something :)
[02:28:13] <wizardrydragon> Actually it's one of many things I do at the Micheal's store I work at
[02:28:17] <Crysta> yay! a first!
[02:28:21] <Crysta> ooooo
[02:28:38] <Crysta> is it micheals or michaels?
[02:28:56] <Crysta> im asking cause im not sure myself
[02:29:01] <wizardrydragon> Actually since I don't get outside to look at the sign often, I couldn't tell ya XD
[02:29:04] <Crysta> lol
[02:29:10] <wizardrydragon> It's not something I generallhy have to worry about
[02:29:15] <Crysta> well whatever it is.. its a nice store but i dont visit often
[02:29:33] <Crysta> most of what id need is always too expensive there :p
[02:29:35] <wizardrydragon> The ones in the states arent as nice in my ever-so-un-biased opinion
[02:30:07] <Crysta> there are always better alternatives, too :p
[02:30:37] <wizardrydragon> Mind you the only other big art store we have here in Canada is Wallacks, and everything there is so bloody expensive I could never pay for it :P
[02:30:47] <Crysta> lol
[02:31:11] <Crysta> we have A.C. Moore near here.. much better prices and more sales and discounts on good stuff :P
[02:31:26] <wizardrydragon> Really?
[02:31:41] <wizardrydragon> I dont know about the micheals in the US, but we have sales every week at my store
[02:31:52] <Crysta> seems that way at least :p
[02:32:17] <wizardrydragon> Some weeks its on stuff I never touch, but still :P
[02:32:18] <Crysta> plus AC Moore gives out 50% off any item coupons at least once a month in the local newspapers :P
[02:32:25] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[02:32:31] <Crysta> might be once every other month
[02:32:45] <Crysta> all i know is its still in business after... about 10 years?
[02:32:50] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[02:32:52] <Crysta> so theyu must be doing great regardless :p
[02:33:00] <wizardrydragon> Micheals was founded the same year I was born :D
[02:33:07] <Crysta> lol
[02:33:20] <Crysta> well im only saying this one store has been here that long
[02:33:26] <Crysta> the chain is older i think
[02:33:32] <wizardrydragon> Oh probably
[02:33:38] <wizardrydragon> The store I work at is new
[02:33:44] <wizardrydragon> As in opened two months ago new :D
[02:33:53] <Crysta> lol
[02:34:04] <wizardrydragon> Oi vey, it gets so busy though
[02:34:36] <Crysta> im sure :P
[02:34:51] <wizardrydragon> I love how when we have our little meetings at the start of the day, when our store manager talks about sales expectations he's like, "Well unfortunately we only exceeded corporate's sales expectations by 300% yesterday. Stop slacking!"
[02:34:51] <Crysta> art supply has decent demand
[02:35:02] <Crysta> XD
[02:35:34] <wizardrydragon> We do framing in my store as well
[02:35:46] <wizardrydragon> And, as I'm sure you guessed by now, classes
[02:35:56] <Crysta> lol
[02:36:03] <Crysta> so what painting class you teach?
[02:36:06] <Crysta> a serious one?
[02:36:21] <Crysta> or the weekend kids one that usually involves glitter and glue as well?
[02:36:22] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[02:36:30] <wizardrydragon> Nah
[02:36:38] <wizardrydragon> I cant stand small children
[02:36:38] <wizardrydragon> :P
[02:36:42] <Crysta> well thats already a plus
[02:36:46] <Crysta> dunno why people hate kids
[02:36:54] <wizardrydragon> I dont hate them
[02:37:00] <Crysta> some are annoying but usually theyre fine :p
[02:37:01] <wizardrydragon> I just dont like to put up with them
[02:37:05] <Crysta> lol
[02:37:36] <wizardrydragon> I teach oil painting
[02:38:35] <Crysta> ooo
[02:38:57] --- Marzo is now known as Marzo_away
[02:39:08] <wizardrydragon> :)
[02:40:58] <Crysta> :)
[02:41:06] <Crysta> i suck at painting :)
[02:41:29] <Crysta> except at paint-by-numbers
[02:41:33] <Crysta> THERE i excell :D
[02:41:49] <wizardrydragon> :D
[02:42:34] <Crysta> sorry if that joke was bad.. not said one in over a week and i might be kinda rusty
[02:43:22] <wizardrydragon> lol
[02:43:55] <Crysta> i guess i fared the best out of us :P
[02:44:00] <Crysta> all i was was sick
[02:44:04] <wizardrydragon> lol
[02:44:23] <Crysta> i had some pretty severe headaches from an antibiotic i was taking for a few days tho
[02:44:29] <Crysta> that was heck
[02:44:35] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[02:44:43] <wizardrydragon> I havent had any pain problems since surgery :D
[02:44:49] <wizardrydragon> Something about morphiene :D
[02:44:54] <Crysta> lol
[02:46:14] <wizardrydragon> I knew it was bad when I heard that was what they were going to put me on that though
[02:46:36] <Crysta> yeah.. not generally the best sign
[02:47:44] <wizardrydragon> generally not
[02:48:18] <Crysta> ah well you survived
[02:48:21] <Crysta> that IS a good sign
[02:48:26] <wizardrydragon> always
[02:55:28] <Crysta> so has TFL had any progress or interestingness?
[02:55:38] <wizardrydragon> Interestingness?
[02:55:57] <Crysta> >..;
[02:56:01] <Crysta> *>.>;
[03:15:31] <Crysta> happenings
[03:15:34] <Crysta> developments
[03:15:35] <Crysta> additions
[03:15:39] <Crysta> you know what i meant
[03:15:51] <Crysta> unless you didnt
[03:15:54] <Crysta> then i apologize :p
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[03:34:23] --- Marzo_away is now known as Marzo
[03:34:47] <Marzo> Good night
[03:34:57] <-- Marzo has left IRC ("Marzo vanishes suddenly.")
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