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[01:03:25] * wizardrydragon pokes Marzo
[02:18:14] --> Crysta has joined #tfl
[02:24:33] <Crysta> YOU PEOPLE ARE TOO QUIET
[02:36:46] --- Marzo_away is now known as Marzo
[02:36:57] <Marzo> Not only too quiet, but going to sleep as well
[02:37:02] <Marzo> Good night
[02:37:04] <Crysta> lol
[02:37:07] <Crysta> night marzo
[02:37:09] <Crysta> sleep well :)
[02:37:16] <-- Marzo has left IRC ("Marzo vanishes suddenly.")
[02:53:01] <servus> I hear Marzo snores.
[02:53:07] <Crysta> lol
[02:53:19] <servus> So log on to Atlantic and play with me!@
[02:53:38] <Crysta> i dont play atlantic :p
[02:53:47] <servus> Transfer your characters *grin*
[02:53:55] <Crysta> no chance XD
[02:53:59] <Crysta> im happy on LS :p
[02:54:15] <servus> I'll give you a cool ringmail leggings. I'm almost 60 blacksmithy and it's my first ever!
[02:54:47] <wizardrydragon> It'll take more than chainmail leggings for me to leave my castle
[02:55:12] <wizardrydragon> :)
[02:55:18] <Crysta> he said ringmail :P
[02:55:25] <wizardrydragon> Ah lol
[02:56:45] <Crysta> LS took down the most recent nasty beastie in the tomb about a hald hour ago now :p
[02:56:48] <Crysta> *half
[02:57:00] <wizardrydragon> It took you that long? :P
[02:57:22] <Crysta> the thing was exceptionally mean
[02:57:25] <Crysta> :P
[02:57:33] <wizardrydragon> lol
[02:57:43] <Crysta> hydra breath and area dismount among other things
[02:57:48] <wizardrydragon> its temperment doesnt provide armor agasinst pointy things :)
[02:58:11] <Crysta> no but its natural resistances do
[02:58:39] <Crysta> :P
[02:58:42] <servus> Resistance shmesistance. I've got 70/70/70/70/70 with normal leather.
[02:58:56] <Crysta> i have the same with random pieces
[02:58:58] <wizardrydragon> Pfft. Every time they come out with some uber-creature, there's some munchkin that goes, sticks it with a dagger, and moves on
[02:59:00] <servus> The Crystal Effusion?
[02:59:11] <Crysta> the hydra breath usually didi about 90-100 to me
[02:59:17] <servus> I killed two of those in like 5 minutes :p
[02:59:30] <Crysta> no
[02:59:41] <servus> Are you mocking me?
[02:59:44] <servus> :o
[02:59:47] <Crysta> this was something else just for the current story arc in a hidden area in ilsh
[03:00:00] <servus> Ah ok. I don't realy follow the IGEs anymore
[03:00:07] <Crysta> lol
[03:00:17] <Crysta> normally i dont either
[03:00:20] <wizardrydragon> Im just happy that mostly these munchkins have gotten bored with PKing these days :P
[03:00:25] <Crysta> but the stuff theyve been doing lately has interested me
[03:00:30] <servus> My guildmaster ICQs me and says "get to this dungeon" and I go, and I have no idea what's going on, and no one tells me.
[03:00:34] <Crysta> the ophidians.. the blackrock.. this
[03:00:39] * servus whacks Crysta with a fishing pole
[03:00:40] <Crysta> kinda hard not to get involved
[03:00:50] <Crysta> ok.. how about this
[03:00:58] <servus> I've got a sigil purple fishing pole. Is that neat? Huh huh?
[03:01:16] <servus> You should log on to Atlantic so I can show you all my neat stuff! I have cows.
[03:01:17] <Crysta> theres a big nasty called a "Void Shadow" captured inside the tomb in Ilsh where something was sealed in the distant past
[03:01:35] <servus> Ehh, I could kill him with a kazoo and a herd of easily-provoked mice.
[03:01:51] <Crysta> lol
[03:02:04] <wizardrydragon> Ive seen some weird and wonderful stuff going byh my house lately, dunno if its related or not :P
[03:02:24] <Crysta> it took aobut 30 people 3 days of near constant fighting to kill it
[03:02:42] <Crysta> the area also has a bunch of the demon spawn from near the exodus dungeon
[03:02:49] <Crysta> and its in ilsh, so there can be paragons
[03:03:10] <Crysta> there were a lot of times that there were 3 paragon devourer of souls right at the entrance
[03:03:18] <servus> Those are easy!
[03:03:25] <servus> We killed a few ancient wyrm paragons the other day, just the 3 of us : o0
[03:03:26] <servus> : o)
[03:03:33] <wizardrydragon> I just summon deamons and thats that.
[03:03:42] <servus> No-one summons daemons anymoer
[03:03:45] <servus> Gosh my typign!
[03:03:46] <servus> AGH!
[03:03:57] <wizardrydragon> My poor typography is contaigous.
[03:04:04] <Crysta> well then if you want a challenge
[03:04:13] <Crysta> know where the burtn forest is in ilsh?
[03:04:18] <Crysta> *burnt
[03:04:19] <wizardrydragon> burnt?
[03:04:20] <servus> I don't have three constant days to contribute *grin*
[03:04:23] <servus> I have UOAM
[03:04:38] <Crysta> well
[03:04:45] <Crysta> theres the lizardman village in the swaps
[03:04:48] <Crysta> *SWAMPS
[03:04:57] <wizardrydragon> i take it theres more than lizardmen there
[03:04:59] <Crysta> and a path south into a small burnt forest
[03:05:16] <Crysta> with a glowing red tree that resses people thats been there for years
[03:05:38] <Crysta> well far past there at the end of the valley is "an ancient rock" same sprite as granite just sitting there
[03:05:51] <Crysta> stand near it and say "roclasmpy"
[03:05:56] <Crysta> dont ask where the word comes from
[03:05:57] <Crysta> lol
[03:06:18] <Crysta> and dont take anything you dont want to lose :)
[03:06:24] <servus> Have you noticed that Stratics hasn't had any useful info for years?
[03:06:32] <Crysta> the exit takes you to the spirituality shrine
[03:06:36] <Crysta> in ilsh
[03:06:43] <wizardrydragon> Servus: Some might argue Stratics never had useful info
[03:06:46] <Crysta> so you have a nice run to get back
[03:06:46] <wizardrydragon> :)
[03:06:49] <Crysta> ouch
[03:06:51] <Crysta> lol
[03:06:52] <servus> http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/uo/showflat.php?Number=6825916
[03:06:55] <Crysta> they have enough :p
[03:07:08] <wizardrydragon> I never used website references or anything
[03:07:18] <servus> Reminds me of the Dark Path from SI
[03:07:25] <wizardrydragon> I just poked around and made sure I knew all the nearby res points :)
[03:07:37] <servus> I'm trying to get some runic fletching kits... I can't find ANY info on how to get them on the web
[03:07:38] <Crysta> heh
[03:07:48] <Crysta> thats easy
[03:07:52] <Crysta> quests in heartwood
[03:07:52] <servus> I found out who the quest-giver is, but not if any of his quests'll do, or just Ingenious 3
[03:08:10] <Crysta> the ones you want are the ones given by the bowyers
[03:08:12] <servus> I've been giving him 10 crossbow bolts for "Lethal Darts", but that quest comes up so infrequently...
[03:08:18] <Crysta> any quest from them has a chance
[03:08:21] <servus> I know, Jusae, but he gives a ton of different quests
[03:08:35] <Crysta> hm
[03:08:39] <wizardrydragon> Its mostly just luck, Servus, afaik.
[03:09:05] <Crysta> i got a heartwood saw months ago
[03:09:05] <Crysta> just one
[03:09:07] <Crysta> lol
[03:09:15] * wizardrydragon doesn't do the quests very often anymore, unless they have something he doesn't already have
[03:09:24] <Crysta> immediately took it to a friend to sell :P
[03:11:10] <Crysta> well.. basically any of the quests they give that are bowcraft-related give you te chance
[03:11:21] <wizardrydragon> Crhysta, how many blackrock pieces did you end up finding anyways? :P
[03:11:38] <Crysta> 38
[03:11:43] <wizardrydragon> Lol!
[03:11:47] <Crysta> but i gave 2 away
[03:11:56] <Crysta> and gave 4 to the museum i help at
[03:12:12] <wizardrydragon> I have like twenty stashed in my house and another ten that arent actuallhy mine :P
[03:12:46] <wizardrydragon> I still want Rudyom's Wand though :)
[03:13:12] <Crysta> lol
[03:13:15] <Crysta> oh wait
[03:13:23] <Crysta> i have one other piece too
[03:13:28] <wizardrydragon> lol
[03:13:29] <Crysta> one of hteones from the ??? fight
[03:13:39] <wizardrydragon> Oh fun
[03:13:48] <Crysta> it was
[03:13:51] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[03:13:53] <Crysta> much more than the void shadow
[03:13:58] <Crysta> that one spawned berserkers :p
[03:14:00] <Crysta> er
[03:14:02] <wizardrydragon> Methinks the storywriters are getting lazy
[03:14:04] <Crysta> ophidian ones
[03:14:12] <servus> Where is Damwin?
[03:14:13] <wizardrydragon> When the only name they can come up with is "??"
[03:14:14] <Crysta> how are they getting lazy
[03:14:18] <Crysta> oh
[03:14:20] <Crysta> well yeah
[03:14:31] <Crysta> but it spawned ophidian berserkers and was perched on a black gate
[03:14:39] <servus> People in guildchat are talking about doing a champ spawn in "damwin felucca", which is "north of the city of dead", and I don't know what they're talking about
[03:14:46] <Crysta> i tihnk they used all their creativity up before they got to the name
[03:14:52] <wizardrydragon> Me too.
[03:15:06] <wizardrydragon> At least the new art theyhre making is halfdecent
[03:15:08] <Crysta> damwin?
[03:15:16] <wizardrydragon> Servus: no idea
[03:15:22] <Crysta> dakmn right it is
[03:15:38] <Crysta> and a good part of that is from them listening to my suggestions
[03:15:42] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[03:15:57] * wizardrydragon reminds Crysta that Humility is a Virtue :)
[03:16:05] <Crysta> the rest of it would be from them listening to the other artists who were complaining :p
[03:16:10] <Crysta> bah
[03:16:42] <Crysta> I usually dont talk about my work or accomplishments
[03:16:49] <servus> Gonna do a spawn now, bbiab
[03:16:55] <Crysta> to be honest i dont think theyre that great
[03:17:15] <wizardrydragon> I would complain/suggest things but I mostly use UO as a extremely overdone chat room nowadays
[03:17:17] <Crysta> seriously
[03:17:22] <Crysta> how many times have you seen me brag
[03:17:47] <wizardrydragon> Not many.
[03:17:50] <wizardrydragon> I was kidding :P
[03:18:04] <Crysta> now honesty
[03:18:08] <Crysta> i coul dwork on that
[03:18:34] <wizardrydragon> As for me, I think it's a well established fact by now that Im the one that breaks things and Marzo's the one that fixes them.
[03:18:43] <wizardrydragon> :P
[03:18:50] <Crysta> lol
[03:20:05] <wizardrydragon> :P
[03:22:56] <wizardrydragon> i think those screen of yours prove the breaking things point ;P
[03:23:12] <Crysta> lol
[03:23:16] <Crysta> those were cool tho
[03:23:17] <Crysta> :p
[03:23:30] <wizardrydragon> lol
[03:24:43] <wizardrydragon> blah
[03:24:51] <Crysta> hm?
[03:24:59] <wizardrydragon> im tired but i cant sleep @_@
[03:25:08] <Crysta> oh
[03:25:21] <Crysta> well im tired and COULD sleep.. but dont quite want to yet
[03:25:23] <Crysta> :p
[03:25:30] <wizardrydragon> lol
[03:25:55] <wizardrydragon> id play uo o guild wars but none of my gaming friends are on so itd be too boring
[03:25:58] <wizardrydragon> *or
[03:26:05] <Crysta> :\
[03:26:15] <Crysta> play pacman
[03:26:21] <wizardrydragon> lol
[03:26:50] <wizardrydragon> mind you i do actually have the monehy now to get a guild hall so I might just buy that and decorate it or summin
[03:27:18] <Crysta> start a museum
[03:27:22] <wizardrydragon> lol
[03:27:26] <Crysta> if siege doesnt have a good one already
[03:27:34] <wizardrydragon> I mean on Guild Wars
[03:27:39] <Crysta> oh
[03:27:40] <Crysta> lol
[03:27:51] <Crysta> you need to "specify"
[03:27:52] <Crysta> lol
[03:28:01] <wizardrydragon> Siege has a really nice museum but its too far from myh castle so I dont go there often :P
[03:28:25] * wizardrydragon doesn't get out much, on account of laziness and PKs.
[03:28:49] <Crysta> lol
[03:29:24] <wizardrydragon> hehe
[03:29:42] <wizardrydragon> whyh risk being looted when you can sling spells at them from the comfort of your own home?
[03:29:59] * wizardrydragon has benches on the edge of the roof so he doesn't even have to get up :)
[03:30:51] <Crysta> lol
[03:31:01] <wizardrydragon> Im also cheap
[03:31:20] <wizardrydragon> I probably have enough money to have thrones along the edge of the roof if AI wanted to :P
[03:31:23] <Crysta> lol again
[03:31:59] <wizardrydragon> I never really spent money, so I have an almost-decade-old stash of gold
[03:32:07] <wizardrydragon> :P
[03:33:10] <wizardrydragon> I have given good chunks of it to friends so thehy could buy weapons and armor and houses and other things though
[03:33:22] <Crysta> :)
[03:33:34] <wizardrydragon> Not like I have anything to spend it on
[03:33:45] <wizardrydragon> Other than the vet rewards I have one of just about everything
[03:34:05] <wizardrydragon> I really *should* start a museum (or at least organize my place) but that involves way to much effort.
[03:34:53] <Crysta> lol
[03:35:21] <wizardrydragon> I am going to need a second place if I actually want my castle to look nice
[03:35:35] <wizardrydragon> Everything is just piled as high as possible, in, well, piles :)
[03:36:30] <wizardrydragon> Or I could just impose one someone whose house was paid out of my hoard
[03:36:38] <wizardrydragon> *on
[03:37:00] * wizardrydragon likes the second option because it involves less spending of money
[03:38:16] <Crysta> well.. im gonna get to bed.. later
[03:38:25] <wizardrydragon> Sleep well
[03:38:37] <Crysta> thanks :)
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[03:39:26] <wizardrydragon> I think Im gonna follow Crysta's lead.
[03:39:34] <wizardrydragon> Night all.
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[04:31:20] <servus> Aww, one red candle away and crashed.
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[20:00:51] <wizardrydragon> ?log
[20:00:51] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/tfllog.php
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[20:49:35] <wizardrydragon> Hi
[20:49:41] <Crysta> hi
[20:49:47] <wizardrydragon> Hows life
[20:54:22] <Crysta> so-so
[20:54:43] <wizardrydragon> fun
[21:01:43] <Crysta> too worried about various things to really relax :|
[21:02:04] <wizardrydragon> fun fun
[22:18:44] <Vistaer> Heyo.
[22:19:02] <Crysta> hi
[22:20:56] <wizardrydragon> He lives!
[22:24:10] <Vistaer> Not really. I think Im undead :I
[22:24:16] * Vistaer munches on wizard's brain
[22:53:44] * wizardrydragon thinks poor Vis will starve.
[22:54:17] <Vistaer> :x
[22:54:30] <Vistaer> btw wiz
[22:54:57] <wizardrydragon> If something doesnt work I dont wanna hear about it :D
[22:55:09] <Vistaer> a thought: we should make a new creature art for a semi-boss (like the ether cretaure in one of the generators in BD)
[22:55:33] <Vistaer> Namely a minotaur. According to U1 lore Minotaurs were crosses between men and Bartarian Bulls :P
[22:55:44] * wizardrydragon points at Crysta.
[22:55:48] * Vistaer nods
[22:55:51] <wizardrydragon> She be the artist :P
[22:55:57] <Vistaer> Just letting you know the context is all :)
[22:56:09] <Crysta> ill think about it :P
[22:56:23] <Crysta> sorry.. am playing a new game while being here.. lol
[22:56:26] <Vistaer> SI with a phoenix and BG with a pixie means TFL -MUST- introduce a classic mythical creature :)
[22:57:04] <Vistaer> Is the new build out?
[22:57:27] <wizardrydragon> Yes and no.
[22:57:38] <wizardrydragon> A new snapshot is, but theres nothing reallyh "new"
[22:57:44] <wizardrydragon> Just unimplemented usecode :)
[22:58:22] <Vistaer> Still busted installer?
[22:58:23] <Crysta> ...
[22:58:28] <Crysta> no fixed map?
[22:58:35] <Vistaer> :x
[22:58:47] <wizardrydragon> I can only fix so many things at once, thank you :P
[22:59:17] <Crysta> not what i meant
[22:59:30] <Crysta> i meant what happened to when you were working o the map two weeks ago or so
[22:59:34] <wizardrydragon> Oh
[22:59:37] <Crysta> just after you put up the first snapshot
[22:59:47] <wizardrydragon> AYou mean the broke installer?
[22:59:53] <Crysta> ...
[23:00:00] <Crysta> i dont know
[23:00:04] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[23:00:23] <wizardrydragon> Well I had been working on the map but that was getting gind of aggrivating, so I bounced into the usecode for a while
[23:00:36] * servus could draw a minotaur in U7 format. Minotaurs are cute : o>
[23:00:49] <Crysta> all i know is ive been waiting since the first snapshot for another one
[23:01:02] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[23:01:27] <Crysta> :|
[23:02:43] <wizardrydragon> I wonder where Marzo is
[23:05:23] <Crysta> so is there a new snapshot up or not
[23:08:25] <servus> I released a Serpent Isle automapper, and have a tool to convert BG maps to SI maps.
[23:08:53] <Crysta> what about converting SI maps to BG maps?
[23:08:56] <servus> Sure
[23:09:07] <servus> No deserts in SI, and no (lots of stuff) in BG.
[23:09:44] <wizardrydragon> It wouldnt be too hard to fix that problem
[23:09:50] <wizardrydragon> Just long and time consuming
[23:11:43] <servus> What problem? There's also a tool to combine SI and BG U7CHUNKS
[23:12:05] <servus> Can exult handle patch-specific U7CHUNKS files?
[23:12:29] <wizardrydragon> Patch-specific, how?
[23:12:45] <servus> Meaning that a mod can have its own U7CHUNKS...
[23:13:15] <wizardrydragon> Yes, mods can have their own u7chunks
[23:13:33] <wizardrydragon> ES chunk-editing capablites are spotty at best, however.
[23:13:37] <servus> Then there's no problem adding deserts to SI
[23:14:08] <wizardrydragon> Nope, no problem.
[23:14:33] <wizardrydragon> What I meant is it wouldnt be hard to make them transfer to BG too, just time consuming to recreate the chunks.
[23:15:24] <Vistaer> Planning to make the actual serpent pillars frozen isle in BG? :P
[23:15:48] <wizardrydragon> Hmm, that could be interesting.
[23:16:12] <Vistaer> I'll ba back later :)\
[23:16:12] <servus> You don't have to recreate chunks o.o
[23:16:19] <servus> That's what tools are for
[23:16:58] <wizardrydragon> You would, afaik, because the flats wouldn't be in the same location.
[23:17:11] <servus> That's what tools are for...
[23:17:35] <servus> You consolidate the U7CHUNKS and rewrite U7MAP to match.
[23:18:09] <wizardrydragon> Yes, but the snow flats and lava flats do not exist in the BG shapes.vga
[23:18:28] <servus> You can add items to SHAPES.VGA. Everything can be automated.
[23:20:40] <wizardrydragon> I know that, but how do you intend to account for the shift in flat item numbers in the chunkjs
[23:23:42] <servus> You don't. You consolidate U7CHUNKS and SHAPES, pushing unused values to the end, then add the new chunks and shapes to the end.
[23:24:34] <wizardrydragon> Then how are you going to use the snow, lava, and orphidian building chunks
[23:26:31] <servus> I just said how
[23:26:57] * wizardrydragon sighs in frustration.
[23:27:27] <wizardrydragon> If you are consolodating the shapes file, the items numbers will shift. If the item numbers shift, the chunks will be garbage.
[23:27:55] <wizardrydragon> Crysta can show you what happens when the map file gets messed up that way.
[23:27:58] <wizardrydragon> :)
[23:30:36] <servus> I've already explained the process, and it doesn't make any sense to compare it with random errors in an unrelated program. What I'm talking about has absolutely nothing to do with Exult Studio.
[23:30:56] <wizardrydragon> Neither does what I am talking about >_>
[23:31:40] <servus> Well then, there's no reason to say it cannot be done :)
[23:32:22] <wizardrydragon> I never said it couldn't, I'm just saying theres problems with just merging the files :P
[23:33:30] <servus> I never said "just merging the files". Why even argue about it?