#tfl@irc.freenode.net logs for 18 Apr 2007 (GMT)

Archive Today Yesterday Tomorrow
tfl homepage

[00:26:49] --> Crysta has joined #TFL
[00:26:49] --- ChanServ gives voice to Crysta
[00:48:29] --> Marzo has joined #tfl
[00:48:29] --- ChanServ gives voice to Marzo
[00:48:47] <Marzo> Hey, someone other than servus and exultbot!
[00:48:52] * Marzo is shocked
[00:48:58] <Crysta> i know :P
[00:49:02] <Crysta> scary aint it
[00:49:06] <Marzo> :-)
[00:49:18] <Crysta> hi marzo :P
[00:49:24] <Marzo> Hi
[00:49:50] <Marzo> How is things?
[00:49:51] <Crysta> whats up?
[00:49:54] <Crysta> oop
[00:49:54] <Crysta> lol
[00:49:56] <Crysta> uh
[00:49:58] <Crysta> boring XD
[00:50:10] <Marzo> Hehe
[00:50:37] <Marzo> Things are rather boring here too
[00:50:58] <Crysta> lol
[00:50:59] <Marzo> The "good" news is that my birthday is in two days
[00:57:37] <Crysta> cool!
[00:57:46] <Crysta> happy birthday ahead of time then :)
[00:57:52] <Marzo> :-)
[00:57:56] <Marzo> Thanks
[00:58:26] <Crysta> id tell you that day
[00:58:36] <Crysta> but all thats on my mind i dont know if i'll remember by then
[00:58:45] <Marzo> Hehe
[00:58:54] <Marzo> Perfectly understandable
[00:59:17] <Marzo> (I myself almost forgot about it, given everything I have to think about...)
[00:59:43] <Crysta> ill try to remember tho
[01:02:32] <Crysta> so have i missed much by not being around?
[01:02:58] * Marzo looks at the log
[01:03:01] <Marzo> Nope
[01:03:04] <Marzo> Nothing at all
[01:03:28] <Crysta> ouch
[01:03:44] <Marzo> I don't know if you have seen it, but DrCode added a couple new scalers to Exult
[01:04:01] <Crysta> i saw them but im not gonna try them
[01:04:04] <Marzo> Oh, I did upload a new portrait for Mariah
[01:04:13] <Crysta> hm?
[01:04:21] <Marzo> Getting link...
[01:06:09] <Marzo> Here: http://u7feudallands.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/u7feudallands/tfl/src/graphics/Marzo/Mariah_Portrait_00.png?revision=1.3
[01:06:18] <Marzo> (still needs some work)
[01:06:30] <Crysta> some?
[01:06:31] <Crysta> :P
[01:06:34] <Marzo> :-p
[01:06:35] <Crysta> its ag reat picture
[01:06:40] <Crysta> *its a great pictur
[01:06:41] <Crysta> e
[01:06:44] <Marzo> lol
[01:06:47] <Marzo> :-)
[01:06:53] <Crysta> but as of yet doesnt feel very SI ish
[01:07:06] <Marzo> Which is why I said it needs work :-)
[01:07:16] <Crysta> obviously :p
[01:07:35] <Marzo> I also made improvements to the portrait of Katrina; the new version is here: http://u7feudallands.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/u7feudallands/tfl/src/graphics/Marzo/Katrina_00.png?revision=1.3
[01:07:49] <Marzo> The neck is much better now, but still needs some work
[01:07:57] <Crysta> neck is better yeah
[01:08:08] <Crysta> but still needs more work than mariah even
[01:08:16] <Marzo> Agreed
[01:08:30] <Crysta> and i feel terrible for not being able to help with that
[01:08:31] <Crysta> lol
[01:08:39] <Marzo> np
[01:08:44] <Crysta> its something i could be doing, but ive tried and sucked at it
[01:09:03] <Marzo> brb
[01:09:06] <Crysta> k
[01:14:03] <Marzo> back
[01:14:10] <Crysta> wb
[01:15:00] * Marzo realizes that he has made 997 images all told for Keyring/TFL/Avatar Pack
[01:15:08] <Crysta> lol
[01:15:11] <Crysta> not bad
[01:15:17] <Marzo> And that is not counting the ones you retouched, such as the lich
[01:15:39] <Crysta> ^^;
[01:16:41] <Crysta> i wish SI portraits were as easy to work with as BG ones
[01:16:55] <Marzo> To be honest, so do I
[01:17:32] <Crysta> stupid SI devs going for semi photorealistic pixelated style
[01:17:32] <Marzo> Making the portraits for the Keyring mod were much easier than the ones for the Avatar Pack or for TFL; the larger size means a lot more can go wrong, unfortunatelly
[01:17:37] <Marzo> lol
[01:28:45] <Crysta> we really need a portrait artist who knows the style
[01:28:57] <Marzo> Yeah
[01:29:07] <Marzo> I get the feeling that none are available, however
[01:30:01] <Crysta> well then
[01:30:13] <Crysta> we need to contact the people who made the originals and ask them how they did it
[01:30:25] <Crysta> they had to have a specific process line for it
[01:31:36] <Marzo> Maybe, maybe not
[01:31:46] <Marzo> It is called 'pixel art' for a reason :-)
[01:31:53] <Crysta> i think they did
[01:33:07] <Marzo> Me, I think that there were several artists with slightly differing styles and which worked in different sets of portraits
[01:33:44] <Marzo> If you take a closer look, , even Dupre's portrait is of a different style that Shamino's or Iolo's
[01:34:00] <Crysta> hm
[01:34:34] <Marzo> Some portraits are more realistic looking, while others are more cartoonish
[01:34:48] <Marzo> And so it goes
[01:35:24] <Crysta> they had to have had guidelines at least tho
[01:35:34] <Crysta> some random examples to follow along so the style remaind even
[01:36:19] <Marzo> My point is that the style *wasn't* even
[01:36:45] <Crysta> no, but THAT is from artist
[01:36:49] <Marzo> Example: portraits 2, 13, 45, 46
[01:36:52] <Crysta> no artist can match it perfectly
[01:37:07] <Crysta> but they all did have guidelines to follow to the best of their ability
[01:37:36] <Marzo> Me, I think they had the palette and a description of the character
[01:38:21] <Marzo> Maybe with some guidelines about avoiding extremes in photorealism and cartoonism
[01:38:43] <Marzo> Plus some quality control to curb to a given range of styes
[01:39:09] <Crysta> hm..
[01:39:41] <Marzo> (I do admit that I might be wrong, though; it is not like I have insider informatino or anything)
[01:40:18] <Crysta> lol
[01:40:36] <Crysta> and most of my experience in the area comes from old console games
[01:41:59] <Crysta> information from people that worked on them and examples of their work in progress :P
[01:42:11] <Crysta> i WISH i could say i worked on one myself
[01:42:11] <Crysta> lol
[01:42:18] <Marzo> (it is amazing how the SI portraits were meant to be looked from a distance -- if you look too close to the screen, the dithering becomes annoying)
[01:42:36] <Crysta> i know
[01:42:44] <Crysta> which is why i think there might have been something extra
[01:43:00] <Crysta> they might have gotten the portraits to a certain point, then used a filtering program to add the dithering
[01:43:00] <Marzo> Shamino, in particular, suffers from it badly in his right cheek
[01:43:25] <Crysta> except for ones that didnt need it to keep detail
[01:44:15] <Marzo> Those are few and far between, though
[01:44:31] <Crysta> like the one female portrait
[01:44:41] <Crysta> but.. that could have been laziness as well
[01:44:50] <Marzo> :-)
[01:45:15] <Marzo> I don't think adding dithering would have helped it much
[01:45:28] <Crysta> exactly
[01:45:29] <Crysta> lol
[01:48:03] <Crysta> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/crystaelf/Image3a.png
[01:48:16] <Crysta> see, thats probably my best attempt at a touchup on one of those portraits
[01:48:55] <Marzo> Hehe
[01:49:28] <Marzo> I think I'll use the outline softening
[01:49:47] <Marzo> The neck seems... weird
[01:49:57] <Crysta> yeah i know
[01:50:12] <Crysta> but i dont know why
[01:50:20] <Marzo> Ah, I know why: it lacks muscles
[01:50:21] <Crysta> thats the problem with how i work on sprites
[01:50:31] <Crysta> well that is something else im not good at
[01:50:40] <Marzo> Yeah, me neither
[01:50:40] <Crysta> im still studying muculature on my own
[01:50:48] <Crysta> *musculature
[01:52:34] <Crysta> so yeah.. nothing i can do there either really
[01:52:34] <Crysta> lol
[01:53:10] <Marzo> My brother (which is an artist -- the pen & paper kind of artist) says he had a course about anatomy in art school
[01:53:49] <Crysta> ive only taken a basic drawing class at a local college.. most of my learning I do on my own :P
[01:53:51] <Marzo> You know, to avoid adding muscles were there are none and to avoid not adding muscles where they should be :-)
[01:54:10] <Crysta> plus im scared of trying to sign up for a real art school calss
[01:54:14] <Crysta> lol
[01:54:16] <Crysta> *class
[01:54:22] <Marzo> I also had an art class, but it was in a local independent art school -- not part of a college
[01:54:51] <Crysta> im frightened of trying again
[01:54:55] <Marzo> Everything else comes from trying (and failing miserably :-p), receiving feedback and trying again
[01:55:27] <Marzo> (reading online pixel art tutorials also help a bit, but nowhere near enough)
[01:55:31] <Crysta> yeah but direction and constant practice really can help
[01:55:57] <Crysta> i only ever read one pixel art tutorial and it was a short "what not to do" piece :P
[01:56:13] <Marzo> That is true of basically anything, really ;-)
[01:56:25] <Crysta> well yeah
[01:56:33] <Crysta> im just a lazy type of person
[01:56:42] <Crysta> so without a reason i tend not to even practice
[01:56:49] <Marzo> lol
[01:57:22] <Marzo> What not to do? Lets see: never use black except for outlines; never use gradients; never use buili-in anti-aliasing; that kind of thing?
[01:57:28] <Marzo> *built
[01:57:45] <Crysta> pretty much :P
[01:58:28] <Crysta> never rescaling something in a ratio outside of 1:1
[01:58:37] <Crysta> the real basics
[01:59:04] <Marzo> There are some good tutorials that cover some more "advanced" topics such as dithering
[01:59:14] <Crysta> lol
[01:59:25] <Crysta> none of that comes up enough for me for me to bother
[01:59:25] <Marzo> :-)
[01:59:51] <Marzo> I had to read some of these because of the portraits
[02:00:13] <Marzo> Sadly, dithering is needed for SI-style portraits in a limited palette
[02:00:51] <Crysta> i guess
[02:04:50] <Crysta> sorry that im not better at this :P
[02:05:10] <Marzo> Hey, I am learning too :-)
[02:05:51] <Marzo> It will be a while before I can say I am "average", much less good
[02:06:39] <Crysta> i have no idea whatsoever what I am XD
[02:42:23] <servus> I'm glad to see I rank on par with Exultbot.
[02:42:30] <Crysta> ?
[02:42:35] <Crysta> huh?
[02:42:36] <servus> Nothing :p
[02:42:42] <Marzo> Hehe
[02:42:48] <Crysta> uh...
[02:42:48] <Crysta> k
[02:42:59] <servus> [05:52 PM] <Marzo> Hey, someone other than servus and exultbot!
[02:43:13] <Crysta> i still dont get it
[02:44:27] <servus> Sorry :P ~ In other news, you might remember a contest to "Be an NPC in Serpent Isle!" way long ago.
[02:44:41] <Crysta> no
[02:44:45] <Crysta> wait
[02:44:48] <Crysta> no
[02:44:53] <servus> They'd take a photograph of you and use it
[02:44:53] <Crysta> i remember the BG one
[02:45:32] <Crysta> what about it?
[02:45:45] <servus> Well, uh. The SI portraits are from photographs? *Shrugs and grins*
[02:46:06] <Crysta> well i thought we knew that already :P
[02:46:08] <Crysta> at least
[02:46:10] <Crysta> for most of them
[02:47:05] <Crysta> k im confused
[02:47:17] <servus> Don't mind me, and then you won't be confused *nodnoddlesgrins*
[02:47:37] <Crysta> .....
[02:47:51] <Crysta> you could always just explain things
[02:48:53] <servus> I wasn't trying to make a point. I was just mentioning the contest, because it was interesting, and it shows that they would use photographs of just about anybody.
[02:49:01] <Crysta> ah
[02:49:08] <Crysta> k :)
[02:49:47] <Crysta> are you trying to hint at wanting to be an NPC in the game?
[02:49:50] <servus> Ever finish Japanese UW ? :)
[02:49:58] <Crysta> nope ^_^;
[02:50:03] <Crysta> i got confused eventually
[02:50:06] <Crysta> and just kinda stopped
[02:50:07] <servus> Nah, I'm Frederic at the Lycaeum
[02:50:12] <Crysta> ?
[02:50:17] <Marzo> "Japanese UW" O>O
[02:50:17] <servus> The contest, remember?
[02:50:23] <Crysta> ...
[02:50:25] <Crysta> really?
[02:50:31] <servus> No, not really. Sorry : )
[02:50:35] <Crysta> damn
[02:50:53] <Crysta> ive always wanted to see one of the runestones
[02:50:58] <servus> And Marzo, the Japanese version of Ultima Underworld for the Playstation. I'm apparently not being very clear, and thus am filling up the logs with OOC responses! :)
[02:51:04] <servus> Runestones?
[02:51:08] <Crysta> uh
[02:51:24] <Crysta> the item from the U6 box, signifying you won the contest
[02:51:34] <Crysta> 8 virtues + 1 for infinity
[02:52:18] <Crysta> i have the box insert for it somewhere, i think
[02:53:22] <Crysta> you didnt know about that?
[02:53:33] <servus> It sounds familiar. Guess it slipped my mind? :)
[02:53:40] <Crysta> guess so
[02:53:41] <Marzo> I never heard of it
[02:53:41] <Crysta> :)
[02:53:42] <servus> Need any TFL art? *grin*
[02:53:51] <Marzo> (but then again, I live in Brasil...)
[02:54:12] <Crysta> we need someone that could do proper SI style portraits
[02:54:12] <Crysta> lol
[02:56:10] <Crysta> you people sure go quiet often eough
[02:56:44] <Marzo> I am doing a couple hundred other things also
[02:56:45] <servus> Quiet? I talk often enough when you're here, don't I? :)
[02:56:53] <Crysta> lol
[02:57:02] <Crysta> hundreds of things?
[02:57:05] <Crysta> and seems so :P
[02:57:08] <servus> I'm actually about to go to Build A Bear to buy cowboy clothes for this Br'er Rabbit before I give it to someone.
[02:57:29] <Crysta> ive never set foot in one of those stoes
[02:57:30] <Crysta> lol
[02:57:36] <servus> I'm just going to pick up an outfit...
[02:57:36] <Crysta> *stores
[02:57:44] <Crysta> sure you are :p
[02:58:25] <servus> I was supposed to be going with someone else for her to make a Siberian Husky for the guy I'm giving Br'er Rabbit to... but she's not returning my phone calls. Yarf.
[02:58:42] <Crysta> bleh :\
[03:00:10] <servus> Ok, better go now, bye! :) ~ I can take a look at the SI portraits you have queued up if you want to provide a link, and want my help. (Seems it's not usually wanted around here:P)
[03:00:28] <Crysta> help is always good :P
[03:00:39] <Crysta> marzo will have to give the link tho..i dont have one
[03:01:26] <Marzo> Well, I don't think there is a queue yet... but we do need basically one SI portrait for every BG character
[03:22:02] <Crysta> well im gonna get going
[03:22:10] <Marzo> Good night
[03:22:13] <Crysta> see you later marzo :)
[03:22:17] <Crysta> thanks :D
[03:22:23] <Crysta> you too whenever you sleep next
[03:22:27] <Marzo> I think I am going too
[03:22:32] <Crysta> k then :)
[03:22:35] <Crysta> sleep well
[03:22:37] <Marzo> Farewell
[03:22:43] <Marzo> Goodbye servus
[03:22:49] <Marzo> Exultbot: bye
[03:22:56] <Crysta> bye servus when you get back
[03:23:02] <-- Crysta has left IRC ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com")
[03:23:08] <-- Marzo has left IRC ("Marzo vanishes suddenly.")
[03:47:31] <servus> Awwww, I just misssed 'em!
[05:15:28] <-- servus has left IRC (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
[05:15:59] --> servus has joined #tfl
[13:56:37] <-- exultbot has left IRC (ping timeout: 15 minutes)
[14:10:44] --> exultbot has joined #tfl
[14:10:44] --- Topic for #tfl is: Ultima VII: The Feudal Lands - the official channel | This channel is publicly logged! Use ?log to get the url | Website available at http://www.u7feudallands.com | SIFixes and UCC information available at http://seventowers.u7feudallands.com | Alpha Release coming soon! | Voiced users are developers for Exult or TFL | dragonBot is SF.net approved! ~ http://sourceforge.net/projects/dragonbot
[14:10:44] --- Topic for #tfl set by ChanServ at Wed Apr 4 04:23:08 2007
[14:10:46] --- ChanServ gives voice to exultbot