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[00:21:49] <Marzo> Hi
[00:22:02] <wizardrydragon> moo
[00:22:52] <Marzo> Got my very first 'death threat' today
[00:23:15] <Marzo> Can't help but feel amused :-)
[00:23:24] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[00:23:27] <wizardrydragon> what happened?
[00:23:28] <Crysta> o_O
[00:24:13] <Marzo> Some guy called my house saying that I was involved in a car crash and demanding a lot of money to take me to the hospital
[00:24:28] <Crysta> ...
[00:24:30] <wizardrydragon> O_o
[00:24:30] <Crysta> lol
[00:24:34] <Marzo> My brother hadn't seen me get home, so he was a little spooked
[00:24:53] <Crysta> sounds more like a scam than a death threat to me
[00:25:03] <wizardrydragon> I'd tell him if he didn't want to go to the hospital himself, he wouldn't call me again.
[00:25:18] <Marzo> When my presence was made known, he theatened to kill us all unless we paid him a lot of money
[00:25:29] <Crysta> uhhhh...huh
[00:26:24] <Marzo> So it had a death threat -- it was made when he realized the scam had failed miserably :-)
[00:26:33] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[00:26:45] <wizardrydragon> My previous comment still stands :P
[00:27:16] <Marzo> :-P
[00:27:29] <wizardrydragon> I got a rather interesting piece of mail today, myself
[00:27:47] <Crysta> i would have made a "click" sound somehow and say that i had just finished recording and the police would be getting a copy soon along with the phone number
[00:27:50] <Marzo> Please elaborate
[00:28:12] <wizardrydragon> Oh there's not THAT much to elaborate on.
[00:28:26] <wizardrydragon> Ive been sequestered for jury duty :P
[00:28:26] <Marzo> It is interesting actually that he called in the line I *don't* have caller ID on
[00:28:35] <Marzo> Oh
[00:28:51] <Marzo> When does it start?
[00:29:05] <wizardrydragon> In a couple months
[00:29:29] <Crysta> well it didnt have to have caller id.. it would have just been a bluff :p
[00:29:57] <wizardrydragon> hah
[00:30:05] <Marzo> I know; but I was thinking of when I *do* call the cops, I don't have a number to report
[00:30:37] <wizardrydragon> Well I dont know how the laws work down there, but you can give them permission to tap you lines in case the guy calls back
[00:30:41] <Marzo> (not that I think that the threat is all too serious...)
[00:31:23] <Crysta> or just put a caller id on the other line too :p
[00:31:28] <wizardrydragon> lol
[00:31:31] <wizardrydragon> or that
[00:31:38] <Crysta> and some kinda recording device nearby
[00:31:42] <Marzo> I think it can be done here too; but I don't think he will be calling again
[00:31:54] <Marzo> re: telephone tap
[00:31:57] <wizardrydragon> Usually the only people who ever call me is work looking for me to, well, work
[00:32:12] <Marzo> heh
[00:32:24] <wizardrydragon> But anyways while it's on my mind, if I disappear in December, that's why
[00:32:42] <Marzo> Or creadit card companies trying to push their newest cards
[00:32:50] <Marzo> k
[00:33:01] <Marzo> *credit even
[00:33:15] <wizardrydragon> I've actually blacklisted just about all the telemarketers here already, so I don't usually get them
[00:33:36] <wizardrydragon> But here if you tell them not to call back, they have to by law, or they owe me money, so they dont call back :D
[00:33:42] <Marzo> I don't think I can do that here in Brasil
[00:34:01] <Marzo> That is a good law :-)
[00:34:11] <wizardrydragon> Yeppers
[00:35:44] <Marzo> On another subject: what do you do in cases like this:
[00:36:11] <Marzo> Someone submits a bug report with a save game which is far after the bug he reports
[00:36:38] <wizardrydragon> I press the big red button that says "DOOOOOOM!!!'
[00:36:42] <Marzo> And the bug can't be reproduced at that point even if I wanted to
[00:36:45] <Marzo> lol
[00:37:36] <Marzo> (and per the 'Evil Overlord' list, the button would bring about your doom after you pressed it :-p)
[00:37:44] <Crysta> bug?
[00:38:03] <wizardrydragon> @Crysta: I presume he means in the Exult bug tracker
[00:38:11] <Marzo> An alleged bug in the keyring mod which I can't reproduce
[00:38:18] <Marzo> Correct
[00:39:34] <Crysta> what is it?:p
[00:40:44] <Marzo> Supposedly, that in the (next to last) talk with Zauriel -- after he turns into a dragon -- displays the avatar's portrait instead of a dragon face
[00:41:09] <Crysta> hm
[00:41:22] <Crysta> i guess ill mess around with it sometime if i think of it
[00:42:21] <Marzo> Unless UCC is seriously screwed up, it should display the correct face
[00:42:24] <Marzo> Hm.
[00:42:35] <Crysta> it should.. but that doesnt mean it will
[00:42:37] <Crysta> :P
[00:42:43] <Marzo> Maybe the compiled usecode could have become corrupted?
[00:42:51] <Crysta> is always a tiny chance something is wrong somewhere in a way you couldnt expect :P
[00:43:27] <Marzo> (and in my compulsive-testing behaviour, it worked all the times I tried when I was writing that part of the code)
[00:43:33] <Marzo> True
[00:43:49] <Crysta> well a more recent change to exult might have messed with it somehow :p
[00:44:16] <Marzo> I also tested it in the latest snapshot(s)
[00:44:32] <Marzo> When I mean compulsive testing, I *do* mean compulsive testing :-)
[00:44:37] <Crysta> has the mod itself been updated in like.. ever?
[00:44:55] <wizardrydragon> lol
[00:44:55] <Marzo> (I never write more than 10 or so lines of code without testing if something works)
[00:44:58] <Crysta> cause i only remember installing it once months ago
[00:45:05] <Marzo> @Crysta: yes
[00:45:10] <Crysta> and never finding updates anywhere
[00:45:17] <Marzo> But that part worked from day 1
[00:45:36] <Crysta> hm
[00:45:43] <Marzo> Right now, the latest versions can be downloaded from the Exult download page
[00:45:54] <Crysta> uh......
[00:46:28] <Crysta> never saw those likes before
[00:46:39] <Crysta> and they dont have any "last update" dates either
[00:46:44] <Marzo> I am thinking of having a page which indicates the version of the mods so that one does not have to download the mod to see which version it is
[00:47:00] <Crysta> that would be MUCH APPRECIATED
[00:47:01] <Crysta> lol
[00:47:05] <Marzo> These two links were added last week
[00:47:17] <Crysta> well that would be why i didnt see them, wouldnt it :p
[00:53:31] <Crysta> wow.. and i actually installed em right
[00:53:34] <Crysta> im shocked
[00:53:42] <Marzo> lol
[00:53:43] <wizardrydragon> lol
[00:54:25] <Crysta> by the way it was great to see the avatar speed changes :P
[00:54:43] <Marzo> :-)
[00:54:45] <Crysta> finally i cant outrun the damn teleport storms
[00:54:55] <Crysta> no more grabbing the bow of infinity :P
[00:54:58] <wizardrydragon> lol!
[00:55:13] <Marzo> It is yet possible to outrun them, but you have to make a flawless trajectory and have a lot of luck
[00:55:20] <Crysta> lol
[00:55:23] <Crysta> yeah
[00:55:26] <Marzo> It is extremelly difficult to reach the bow of infinity
[00:55:36] <Crysta> neither of which screams "me", does it?
[00:55:37] <wizardrydragon> Ive done it swithout the speed changes
[00:55:45] <Marzo> I think it is still possible, but I couldn't do it
[00:55:54] <Crysta> anyway.. monsters are harder to run from as well
[00:55:54] <wizardrydragon> Stubborn persistence ftw
[00:56:01] <Marzo> Without the speed changes it was very easy to do it :-)
[00:56:04] <Crysta> which i love.. makes things a bit harder again
[00:56:27] <Marzo> It is slightly harder now to outrun monsters than it was in the originals
[00:56:32] <Crysta> lol
[00:56:42] <Crysta> can always adjust it later :P
[00:56:44] <Marzo> As opposed to trivially easy as it was in Exult :-)
[00:56:52] <Crysta> yeah
[00:56:56] <wizardrydragon> lol
[00:56:59] <Crysta> at least this way theres challenge
[01:05:03] <wizardrydragon> lol
[01:08:26] <Crysta> well ive just been messing around with it randomly so far.. but i noticed that LB's crown uses the male sprite on female avatars :P
[01:09:08] <Marzo> Since the crown was based in the SI crown, I used the SI data for it
[01:09:29] <Crysta> did the SI one only have one frame for both sexes?
[01:09:46] <wizardrydragon> The problem with that Marzo is the crown only had one frame for both IIRC
[01:09:51] <Marzo> No, it had two frames
[01:10:06] <Crysta> well i mean.. you put both into this one as well
[01:10:13] <Crysta> its just using the male sprite for both sexes
[01:10:17] <wizardrydragon> be back in a bit
[01:10:36] <wizardrydragon> maybe he messed up in his import script
[01:10:42] <Marzo> The sprites should be different
[01:10:47] <wizardrydragon> anyways be back in a bit :P
[01:10:49] <Marzo> For male and female, I mean
[01:10:56] <Marzo> k
[01:10:57] <Crysta> hmm
[01:11:05] <Crysta> one sec.. gonna change my avatar to a guy
[01:11:37] <Marzo> Duplicate the crown and give it to Iolo
[01:11:39] <wizardrydragon> well im still here, but C++ is compiling Star Control 2 which makes this machine about as responsive as a coma patient for an hour or two
[01:11:42] <Crysta> well what do you know
[01:12:26] <Crysta> it looks like you gave the male crown to the female paperdoll and the male crown to the female paperdoll
[01:12:32] <Marzo> wizardrydragon: Try compiling Exult simultaneously in Windows and in Colinux and you will see what 'unresponsive' means :-)
[01:12:35] <Crysta> and they both arent lined p quite right either
[01:12:42] <Crysta> *up
[01:12:57] <Crysta> on the plus side the amulet and scepter work perfectly :p
[01:13:02] <Marzo> In SI, the larger crown went to females
[01:13:08] <Crysta> hm..
[01:13:12] <Marzo> Possibly due to the hair
[01:13:16] <Crysta> i cant remember which was which for mine either
[01:13:18] <Crysta> lol
[01:13:23] <Marzo> So I went the same way with your crown
[01:13:23] <Crysta> i think im gonna check my files
[01:13:30] <Crysta> you might be right actually
[01:13:42] <Marzo> I am; I have the data right in front of me
[01:13:55] <Crysta> ok then :p
[01:14:00] <Crysta> in that case
[01:14:05] <Crysta> they're simply misaligned
[01:14:16] <Crysta> one pixel too high, and too far right
[01:14:23] <Marzo> I haven't yet fine-tuned the placement
[01:14:23] <Crysta> by uh.. several
[01:14:32] <Crysta> k ^_^;
[01:14:51] <Crysta> sorry i had to point it out but im sure you understand how i am about this stuff by now XD
[01:15:05] <Marzo> (right now, you can only get the crown by cheating -- or killing poor old LB -- so I didn't worry too much about it)
[01:15:11] <Crysta> lol
[01:15:14] <Crysta> i cheated for them
[01:15:21] <Crysta> which actually i almost got arrested for
[01:15:27] <Marzo> lol
[01:15:27] <Crysta> cause i was sitting in front of LB
[01:15:34] <Crysta> and he called the guards on me when i moved them
[01:15:36] <Crysta> XD
[01:15:45] <Marzo> :-)
[01:15:47] <wizardrydragon> marzo: SC2 is worse, mostly because of how horrible it is with MSVC, but I only have GCC on the linux partition
[01:15:51] <Marzo> You Alt+4-ed LB?
[01:16:04] <Crysta> alt 4?
[01:16:19] <Crysta> no.. i used exult studio
[01:16:27] <Crysta> made new ones on the groun din front of him
[01:16:35] <Crysta> when i used pickpocket he didnt have any of them on him
[01:17:13] <Marzo> wizardrydragon: Colinux is a way to get Linux to run from inside Windows; so what I meant was to fire Colinux then start compiling Exult on Windows *and* on Colinux at the same time
[01:17:21] <Crysta> one other thing.. i think the pixel on top of the sceptre was supposed to be a static color.. guess i messed up the color index when i gave it to you
[01:17:23] <Marzo> Hm. Strange.
[01:17:44] <Crysta> (not the paperdoll one.. the 'in hand' one
[01:17:46] <Crysta> )
[01:18:02] <Marzo> I will check it
[01:18:10] <Crysta> i would have had the center one flashing if it was on purpose :p
[01:18:17] <Crysta> that would look better
[01:18:17] <Crysta> lol
[01:19:03] <Marzo> Hm. I seem to have forgotten to give LB his crown jewels
[01:19:08] <Crysta> ah XD
[01:19:19] <Crysta> well that explains why i had to make my own
[01:19:47] <Crysta> will be interesting seeing him walking around with the sceptre
[01:19:57] <Marzo> :-)
[01:20:26] <wizardrydragon> marzo: oh so kindas like mingw even though they vehemently deny thats what its for ;)
[01:20:42] <Marzo> Which brings me to this: how hard would it be for you to make a paperdoll for Iolo's lute? Preferrably for use in the back?
[01:20:50] <Crysta> ooooooo
[01:20:53] <Crysta> i dont kno
[01:20:54] <Crysta> w
[01:20:58] <Marzo> wizardrydragon: lol
[01:21:02] <Crysta> but.. it sounds like it would be cool to try
[01:21:36] <Marzo> @crysta: or maybe for hanging from the belt (like the crossbow)
[01:21:54] <Crysta> i think back would make more sense
[01:22:53] <Marzo> So do I, which is why I mentioned it first and thought of the other as an afterthought
[01:22:57] <wizardrydragon> Hanging from as belt? Are you crazy?
[01:23:08] <Crysta> lol
[01:23:23] <Crysta> but ill see what i can do
[01:23:24] <Marzo> Read the message again, wizardry :-)
[01:23:33] <wizardrydragon> You must've been into the silver serpent venom when no one was looking
[01:23:33] <Crysta> back sprites are easy for smaller things really
[01:23:38] <Crysta> lol
[01:24:00] <Marzo> D***, my secret is out... now I'll have to kill you both :-)
[01:24:08] * Marzo pokes wizardrydragon repeatedly with the Death Scythe in an attempt to get a reply
[01:24:13] * Marzo pokes crysta repeatedly with the Death Scythe in an attempt to get a reply
[01:24:15] <Marzo> :-)
[01:24:24] <Crysta> a reply to what o.o
[01:24:29] * wizardrydragon is already undead. Stop trying to kill him.
[01:24:31] <Marzo> Any reply :-)
[01:24:34] <Crysta> ...
[01:24:36] <Crysta> hi?
[01:24:42] <Marzo> (it is with the Death Scythe :-p)
[01:24:48] <Crysta> uhmm....
[01:25:12] <wizardrydragon> Read that statement again, carefully ;)
[01:25:15] <Crysta> think i missed something yet again...?
[01:25:22] * Marzo casts 'In Mani Corp' in wizardrydragon
[01:25:53] * Marzo casts 'Vas Corp Hur' in wizardrydragon
[01:26:01] <Crysta> nope.. still gettin nothin
[01:26:01] <wizardrydragon> Ressurecting me just so you can kill me?
[01:26:19] <wizardrydragon> *I'M* the one that's supposed to be the sadist. Stop taking my job :P
[01:26:45] <Marzo> Crysta: The Death Scythe is a device known to cause death; therefore, poking with it in an attempt to get a reply is a futile action
[01:26:51] <Crysta> oh
[01:27:07] <Crysta> uhhh.. i have.. uh.. death immunity.. yeah, lets go with that
[01:27:09] <wizardrydragon> Oh not futile, it just doesnt hasve the desired affect
[01:27:16] <Marzo> wizardrydragon: You did state that you were undead :-)
[01:28:26] <wizardrydragon> True, but I'm pretty sure it would make the other person you were poking quite dead
[01:28:48] <Marzo> The Death Scythe is the most powerful weapon in the original game; damage 50, magebane effect and curse
[01:29:14] <Crysta> id call it the most powerful in either
[01:29:15] <wizardrydragon> Curse was pretty useless in my experience, though
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[01:29:54] <Marzo> Well, it helped in case you ran into something capable of surviving the first hit...
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[01:30:02] <Marzo> wb
[01:30:04] <Crysta> whoops..
[01:30:12] <wizardrydragon> lol
[01:30:14] <Crysta> my mistake.. hit esc on the wrong window
[01:30:23] <wizardrydragon> The Firedoom staff was my favourite
[01:30:26] <Marzo> It happens :-)
[01:30:38] <Marzo> The firedoom staff is good for solo avatars
[01:30:46] <Crysta> i liked the great daggers
[01:30:55] <Marzo> Not many party members can survive the onslaught :-)
[01:30:58] <Crysta> and cannons
[01:31:02] <Crysta> love cannons
[01:31:06] <wizardrydragon> Or for avatars who get cross at Iolo for shooting them with the tripe crossbow for the nth time
[01:31:12] <Marzo> Cannons are cool
[01:31:27] <Crysta> with cannons you pretty much just point at what you want dead
[01:31:31] <Marzo> I wish that we could dual-wield cannons in Ultima 7 :-)
[01:31:55] <wizardrydragon> I liked the musket but ammunition was scarce
[01:32:14] <wizardrydragon> My personal fvourite other than the firedoom staff was the plain old fire sword
[01:32:16] <Marzo> I never had problems with ammo for the musket
[01:32:35] <wizardrydragon> Because I got annoyed with having to keep casting light in dungeons, mostly
[01:32:46] <Crysta> the hawk was fun too
[01:32:59] <wizardrydragon> lol
[01:33:00] <Marzo> If you had time and knew of a set of dinossaur bones, you could get as many as you liked with the use of the orb of the moons
[01:33:02] <wizardrydragon> useless but fun
[01:33:12] <Marzo> Agreed
[01:33:15] <Crysta> useless?
[01:33:15] <wizardrydragon> true, but Im not a cheater
[01:33:23] <Crysta> i always thought it was one of the better weapons
[01:33:31] <Crysta> if it isnt
[01:33:32] <wizardrydragon> Jaana would keep losing it, which made it of spotty use
[01:33:35] <Marzo> (not that I ever used the musket anyway)
[01:33:36] <Crysta> ah
[01:33:57] <Marzo> I like to hoard items in these games
[01:34:03] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[01:34:07] <Crysta> lol
[01:34:22] <Marzo> So I had muskets and lots of ammo for it in my magic carpet but never used it
[01:34:30] <wizardrydragon> Im a packrat in RPGs period.
[01:34:56] <Marzo> In BG2, the first mod I install is for the bottomless bag of holding
[01:35:02] <wizardrydragon> lol
[01:35:08] <Marzo> I literally collect every named item in the game
[01:35:08] <wizardrydragon> Baldur's Gate 2?
[01:35:11] <Marzo> Yes
[01:35:21] <wizardrydragon> You can get a bottomless one legit you know
[01:35:39] <Marzo> Only in Throne of Bhaal expansion IIRC
[01:35:42] <wizardrydragon> In Spellhold there was one hidden
[01:35:48] <wizardrydragon> And then there was on in TOB
[01:35:57] <Marzo> The one in Spellhold is not bottomless
[01:36:09] <Marzo> Believe me, I know
[01:36:18] <wizardrydragon> No, not that one. Theres a bottomless one hidden in dialogue with one of the inmates.
[01:36:26] <wizardrydragon> it's an easter egg :D
[01:36:38] * Marzo remembers having to agonize about what to drop in the Underdark the first time through the game
[01:36:44] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[01:36:49] <Marzo> Never found that one
[01:36:49] <wizardrydragon> I hated the Underdark
[01:36:58] <Crysta> ive never played that one ^_^
[01:37:02] <wizardrydragon> The Drow weren't too bad if you watched your back
[01:37:06] <Marzo> I only hated it because there was so much cool loot
[01:37:13] <wizardrydragon> But the Illithids were pretty harsh on my adventurer
[01:37:23] <wizardrydragon> since I rushed along and was a good three levels less than I shoulda been
[01:37:27] <Marzo> Two words: 'Chaotic Commands'
[01:37:31] <Marzo> 'Nuff said
[01:37:38] <wizardrydragon> "Minsc, go distract them."
[01:37:43] <wizardrydragon> That was my strategy
[01:37:46] <wizardrydragon> Worked pretty good
[01:37:53] <wizardrydragon> Though Minsc probably wouldn't agree
[01:38:00] <wizardrydragon> But that's what Anomen wass for
[01:38:33] <Marzo> When I discovered that Chaotic Commands made a party member virtually immune to their psionics, I dumped all the good armor in Minsc -- he had an extremelly low AC
[01:38:51] <wizardrydragon> Minsc is a damage sponge even without armor
[01:38:54] <Marzo> Mind Flayers would never hit him and he was immune to their powers
[01:38:58] <wizardrydragon> He has an obscene amount of hit points
[01:39:14] <Marzo> The problem of mind flayers is not the damage, but the intelligence drain
[01:39:20] <wizardrydragon> Thats not too bad
[01:39:36] <Marzo> But they can't drain intelligence of what they can't hit
[01:39:37] <wizardrydragon> Long as you keep your cleric the hell away from the illithids and kept Resotration prepared
[01:40:17] <wizardrydragon> My one annoyance is I did that before I did the quest at the elf-ladys keep (what was her name) and she kept bitching about it.
[01:40:19] <Marzo> With Chaotic commands and a hasted, blessed, heavily armored Minsc, the Illithid city was a walk in the park
[01:40:42] <wizardrydragon> I think shes supposed to leave if you take too long, but she never did.
[01:40:52] <Marzo> Similar to the Beholder city with the 'Cloak of Cheese'
[01:41:03] <wizardrydragon> The beholder city was a cakewalk
[01:41:04] <Marzo> I will go see a movie now;
[01:41:08] <Marzo> be back later
[01:41:14] <wizardrydragon> Just cast protection from evil on everyone and youre fine
[01:41:16] <wizardrydragon> Take care man
[01:41:22] --- Marzo is now known as Marzo_away
[01:41:35] <Crysta> have fun marzo
[01:41:58] <wizardrydragon> I myself am gonna play ssome Morrowind for a bit I think, I work all day for the next three days so I figure I should while I have the chance ^_^;;
[01:42:41] <Crysta> wait a minute or so
[01:42:57] <Crysta> plz
[01:43:28] <wizardrydragon> umm what for
[01:43:38] <Crysta> hold on.. uploading something
[01:43:47] <Crysta> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/crystaelf/Uw2_LBSI.gif
[01:43:58] <wizardrydragon> ooh
[01:44:02] <Crysta> ripped from UW2 and put together around.. the middle of september
[01:44:07] <wizardrydragon> hahaha
[01:44:18] <Crysta> ive kept forgetting to send it over
[01:44:19] <wizardrydragon> bah i need to upload my changes sometime
[01:44:26] <Crysta> i should get he rest of the ones in UW2
[01:44:43] <Crysta> wish it was more than the castle staff tho
[01:44:43] <wizardrydragon> You should :D
[01:44:53] <Crysta> also
[01:45:01] <Crysta> its always bothered me that they didnt use that for LB in SI
[01:45:07] <Crysta> as they already had it
[01:45:09] <wizardrydragon> lol
[01:45:30] <Crysta> i mean they used Iolo Shamino and Dupre from UW2
[01:45:47] <Crysta> with some alterations to the proper palettes
[01:46:36] <wizardrydragon> oh by the way, this is probably of limited interest of you since I dont think you've played morrowind, but I did a little something when i was fiddling around for it, and it has some of meh art on it :P I am teh suck. http://lfs.lfhost.com/df/necromacy-scroll.gif
[01:46:43] <Crysta> gonna need to start a new game for it to
[01:46:56] <Crysta> my current save has tory dead already
[01:47:22] <Crysta> and nope, never played any of morrowind
[01:47:37] <wizardrydragon> my art is teh suck :P
[01:47:55] <Crysta> you drew the character?
[01:48:06] <wizardrydragon> if "drew" is the word you'd use :P
[01:48:24] <Crysta> well yes, seeing as t style is so close to the Ultima manual style
[01:48:49] <wizardrydragon> "t style?"
[01:48:53] <Crysta> the
[01:48:59] <wizardrydragon> missed a few letters?
[01:49:00] <wizardrydragon> :P
[01:49:05] <Crysta> h and e seem to require harder hits on my keyboard
[01:49:08] <Crysta> >.>;
[01:49:12] <wizardrydragon> lol
[01:49:24] <wizardrydragon> my keyboard has keys that are just the opposite
[01:49:46] <wizardrydragon> I can hold my finger on the s or h key for a second or two and end up with a screen of s's or h's :P
[01:49:49] <Crysta> seriously though... youd do great doing the extra manual entries and such for TFL when the time comes
[01:50:09] <Crysta> the front foot is the only real problem i see with that one pic
[01:50:18] <wizardrydragon> I dont do feet
[01:50:19] <wizardrydragon> or hands
[01:50:23] <Crysta> bit small and not shaded at all
[01:50:25] <wizardrydragon> or just about anything really
[01:50:34] <Crysta> hand is hard to see fully anyway small as it is
[01:50:37] <wizardrydragon> other than fancy scrolls
[01:50:41] <Crysta> so doestn much matter
[01:50:56] <Crysta> trust me.. is much better than you think
[01:51:28] <wizardrydragon> someone said it looked more like a thief than a necromancer, but I dont think theives go around with skull motifs or large scmitars
[01:51:57] <Crysta> huh.. i thought it was some kinda pirate
[01:52:03] <wizardrydragon> <_<
[01:52:23] <Crysta> hey i never said you had a good sense of stylization
[01:52:43] <Crysta> just that its better than you're giving yourself credit for :p
[01:52:50] <wizardrydragon> Well its right from one of the necromancer sprites in Morrowind's predecessor Daggerfall
[01:52:56] <Crysta> wow
[01:53:13] <Crysta> whoever made that game had odd ideas of necromancers
[01:53:13] <wizardrydragon> Well except the person doesnt have a face at all in the sprite, but hoods arent THAT concealing
[01:53:35] <wizardrydragon> then theres a guy with a tabard and some sort of gliave thing
[01:53:53] <wizardrydragon> and the leader guy with a staff and robe
[01:53:53] <Crysta> lol
[01:54:04] <Crysta> sounds interesting
[01:54:15] <wizardrydragon> and then more-than-half-naked dancer chicks for no apparent reason XD
[01:54:38] <Crysta> lol
[01:54:45] <Crysta> always need a few of them around, i guess
[01:54:48] <wizardrydragon> lol
[01:54:50] <wizardrydragon> yep
[01:55:02] <Crysta> actually.. im kinda suprised U7 doesnt have any
[01:55:05] <wizardrydragon> and then the place theyre in is, naturally, crawling with skeletons and zombies and vampires
[01:55:34] <wizardrydragon> its a good place to go if you want to go get vampirism, which actually isn't too bad a thing in daggerfall if you don't mind the not being able to be out in daylight thing
[01:55:45] <Crysta> lol
[01:55:59] <wizardrydragon> given that it asdds +50 to your stats, and stats are out of 100 :P
[01:56:12] <Crysta> ooo.. they should add THAT to vampric form in UO
[01:56:18] <Crysta> damage during daylight
[01:56:19] <wizardrydragon> XD
[01:56:27] <wizardrydragon> yeah I always wondered about that
[01:56:30] <Crysta> they're already fixing te garlic thing
[01:56:33] <Crysta> *THE
[01:56:34] <wizardrydragon> bah
[01:56:41] <wizardrydragon> garlic is useless against vampires :P
[01:56:42] <Crysta> might as well go all the way i say :P
[01:57:14] <Crysta> anyway you should go play your game before you talk so long that you run out of time to
[01:57:18] <wizardrydragon> best thing is since they need silver weapons to hit you, and the town guards only have iron, you can commit crimes with abandon
[01:57:27] <Crysta> lol
[01:57:29] <Crysta> sweet
[01:57:48] <wizardrydragon> Although they do annoy you with constant very badly voice-acted "Halt!" yells
[01:57:55] <Crysta> lol
[01:58:05] <Crysta> better or worse than ascension
[01:58:15] <Crysta> cause the ascension ones weren't that bad in my opinion
[01:58:24] <wizardrydragon> Well I thought they were horrible
[01:58:28] <wizardrydragon> So better
[01:58:28] <Crysta> lol
[01:58:32] <Crysta> XD
[01:58:39] <Crysta> well i wouldnt mind em then im sure
[01:58:44] <Crysta> hmm..
[01:58:46] <Crysta> ah
[01:58:52] <Crysta> wait.. nevermind
[01:58:52] <wizardrydragon> Actually the voice acting in the Elder Scrolls games is *really* good, except for a few spots where its hilariously bad
[01:58:57] <Crysta> thought i had a better comparison
[01:59:01] <Crysta> lol
[01:59:16] <wizardrydragon> the guards are pretty bad
[01:59:30] <wizardrydragon> and then they guy in the weird dream you get if you catch lycanthropy
[01:59:34] <wizardrydragon> is just ...
[01:59:36] <wizardrydragon> weird
[01:59:42] <Crysta> o.O
[01:59:57] <wizardrydragon> I think they were going for weird, but they got weird in the laugh out loud varioation, not in the spooky variation :P
[02:00:14] <Crysta> "Altered Beast" funny?
[02:00:23] <wizardrydragon> lol
[02:00:37] <wizardrydragon> well hes trying to do the deep-voiced narration thing, and it just didnt work out too well for him
[02:00:38] <Crysta> ill take that as a yes :p
[02:00:47] <Crysta> RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!
[02:00:57] <wizardrydragon> lycanthropy, not vampirism
[02:00:59] <wizardrydragon> :P
[02:01:25] <wizardrydragon> the "i turn into a furry and eat you" disease not the "im half dead and bite you" disease
[02:02:07] <Crysta> i always liked the evil guy in altered beat tho
[02:02:12] <wizardrydragon> lol
[02:02:12] <Crysta> he sounded stupid, but cool
[02:02:16] <wizardrydragon> lol
[02:02:17] <Crysta> WELCOME TO YOUR DOOM!
[02:02:21] <Crysta> lol
[02:02:33] <wizardrydragon> the dream sequence thingy for the vampirism disease is really well done though
[02:02:49] <Crysta> and in the topic of videogame voice, my favorite has to be
[02:02:52] <Crysta> Berserk
[02:02:55] <wizardrydragon> lol
[02:03:01] <wizardrydragon> my favourite funny
[02:03:08] <wizardrydragon> was R.G's intro for SI
[02:03:12] <wizardrydragon> that was hilarious
[02:03:13] <Crysta> lol
[02:03:17] <wizardrydragon> the favourite in the serious side
[02:03:18] <Crysta> ohhh yeah.. that was bad
[02:03:38] <wizardrydragon> is a tie between the dream sequence for vampirism that was previoussly mentioned, or the guy that voice acts Vivec in Morrowind
[02:03:55] <Crysta> favorite in serious for me had to be some of the stuff from Diablo 2... there was some bad in there.. but some of those story videos were done well
[02:04:06] <wizardrydragon> bhecause the dialogue is so done just so well
[02:04:08] <Crysta> lets see.. funny..
[02:04:24] <wizardrydragon> he says some pretty funny things but in a completely serious tone that you'd expect from a fun-less dark elf :p
[02:04:38] <Crysta> lol
[02:04:38] <wizardrydragon> oh yeah
[02:04:53] <Crysta> uh.. i cant think of any cringe-inducing bad ones right now
[02:04:53] <wizardrydragon> and if you ever do play Morrowind, stay away from the STribunal *nod nod8
[02:05:08] <wizardrydragon> and just dark elves in general really
[02:05:12] <Crysta> the guard capitan in UW1 is the best i can come up with at the moment
[02:05:34] <wizardrydragon> lol
[02:05:38] <Crysta> hrm...
[02:05:38] <wizardrydragon> hes not too bad
[02:05:41] <wizardrydragon> the baron though
[02:05:48] <Crysta> wait ... no
[02:06:00] <Crysta> the worst would be some of the stuff from the original Lunar for Sega CD
[02:06:01] <wizardrydragon> theres some good humour about the dark elves in Daggerfall though :P
[02:06:21] <Crysta> lol
[02:07:11] <wizardrydragon> "A dark elf was brought before the magistrate to explain the killing of his wife when he discovered she was having an affair. When the Magistrate asked him why he killed his wife and not her lover, he replied 'I thought it was better to kill one woman instead of one man every week.'"
[02:07:35] <Crysta> LOL
[02:08:27] <wizardrydragon> The developers that made the dark elves must have been guys, because apparently their woman are raging nymphomaniacs :P
[02:08:36] <wizardrydragon> from the same book of humor:
[02:08:41] <Crysta> o_O;
[02:10:14] <wizardrydragon> "A guide was showing a dark elf immigrant around the crown city of Daggerfall. When she saw the splendor that was Castle Daggerfall, she stared in wonder, and then with a small grin, leaned towards her guide and whispered in her ear 'it reminds me of sex.'
[02:10:15] <wizardrydragon> The guide, puzzled, asked her, 'whyfore does our magnificent castle remind thee of sex, mi'lady?'
[02:10:15] <wizardrydragon> She sighed 'everything does'"
[02:10:49] <Crysta> o_O;
[02:10:56] <wizardrydragon> hahaha
[02:10:58] <Crysta> bad joke
[02:11:15] <wizardrydragon> I was proving a point :P
[02:11:26] <wizardrydragon> I like the first one myself :P
[02:11:29] <Crysta> obviously :P
[02:11:39] <Crysta> first one was good, yes
[02:12:01] <wizardrydragon> there was more but I don't feel like digging up the book in Daggerfall, those are just the ones I remember :P
[02:12:10] <Crysta> lol
[02:12:39] <wizardrydragon> At least they leave the wood elves alone in that category :P
[02:12:46] <wizardrydragon> cuz they're the best race to play :P
[02:12:49] <Crysta> lol
[02:13:01] <Crysta> i really dont like people making fun of elves
[02:13:08] <wizardrydragon> minus some bad jokes about male wood elves that are self evident
[02:13:53] <Crysta> lol
[02:14:00] <wizardrydragon> I have to say though, I don't know what the artists that were on in Morrowind that did the high elves
[02:14:26] <Crysta> ?
[02:14:28] <wizardrydragon> but my god, they were the best looking race in Daggerfall, but every one in Morrowind looks like they've had their head bashed in every single day of their life
[02:14:36] <Crysta> o.o
[02:15:01] <wizardrydragon> not to mention the guys reaslly look like girls and the girls look like trolls
[02:15:07] <wizardrydragon> :P
[02:15:09] <Crysta> ...
[02:15:28] <Crysta> ok thats just wrong
[02:15:38] <wizardrydragon> and for some reason their skin is some weird shade of flourescent hyellow
[02:15:54] <Crysta> ...
[02:16:52] <wizardrydragon> the wood elves are pretty good though, so i'm happy
[02:17:07] <wizardrydragon> if you don't mind that compared to the other races there isn't a lot of variety
[02:17:18] <Crysta> so long as they arent freakish
[02:17:23] <wizardrydragon> nope
[02:17:30] <Crysta> k then
[02:17:30] <wizardrydragon> the guys look like *gasp* normal elves
[02:17:37] <Crysta> :o
[02:17:41] <wizardrydragon> which was apparently hard for the art team to pull off :P
[02:17:48] <Crysta> lol
[02:18:13] <wizardrydragon> and then the girls are as hot as 3d-rendered videogame fantasy creatures go so its all good
[02:18:25] <Crysta> o.O
[02:18:41] <wizardrydragon> the bretons arent too bad I suppose if you don't mind the fact that the average rock is smarter than you
[02:19:11] <Crysta> hm
[02:19:31] <wizardrydragon> the agronians well SI suppose lizardmen are someones up of tea but they aint mine
[02:19:34] <wizardrydragon> *I
[02:19:53] <Crysta> "up of tea"
[02:19:59] <wizardrydragon> cup
[02:20:05] <Crysta> i know
[02:20:07] <Crysta> :p
[02:20:12] <wizardrydragon> and hey I missed less letters than you, what are you complaining about
[02:20:19] <Crysta> =_=
[02:20:23] <wizardrydragon> hahaha
[02:20:42] <Crysta> ...
[02:20:46] <wizardrydragon> anyways Im off to go kick ass with my wood elf in the name of the imperial legion, i'll be back in a while
[02:20:53] <Crysta> k <.<;
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[03:13:41] <Marzo> Back
[03:13:50] <Crysta> welcome back marzo
[03:14:01] <Marzo> *shocked* Hey, there was actual conversation while I wasn't here
[03:14:04] <Crysta> wiz is still away though, unfortunately :p
[03:14:10] <Crysta> i know.. shocking huh
[03:14:35] <Marzo> Let me catch up and we'll talk
[03:14:51] <Crysta> k
[03:18:16] <Marzo> I liked the LB portrait
[03:18:43] <Crysta> like i said, is from UW2
[03:18:46] <Marzo> If only I had a SI mod other than SI Fixes, I'd use it
[03:18:56] <Crysta> lol
[03:19:16] <Crysta> well, technically it could be used for TFL: what with his want to have SI style portraits in it
[03:19:51] <Marzo> In TFL, it will be the team which will use the portrait, not me :-)
[03:20:11] <Crysta> yeah :p
[03:21:57] <Marzo> If I seem too quiet is because I am now working in the website for Keyring & SI Fixes
[03:22:18] <Crysta> its a pain getting them out of UW2.. all of them have backgrounds in it.. which are all dark stone walls of the castle
[03:22:49] <Marzo> Are the backgrounds in the portraits or in the screen captures?
[03:23:12] <Crysta> in the portraits themselves so far as i know.. i dont exactly have a program to extract them
[03:23:33] <Marzo> It is very likely that there is one in the web
[03:23:48] <Marzo> Possibly buried in one of the (abandoned) engine remakes
[03:23:54] <Crysta> ive never found it :\
[03:24:04] <Marzo> Wait
[03:24:43] <Crysta> i know theres a set of icons using them, but those are from screencaptures as well
[03:25:00] <Marzo> Oh, it doesn't help
[03:25:09] <Crysta> lol
[03:25:23] <Marzo> I remembered of an icon library containing all portraits of UW2, but they seem to have backgrounds
[03:25:28] <Crysta> yeah :P
[03:25:30] <Crysta> like i said
[03:25:37] <Crysta> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/crystaelf/nystul1.gif
[03:25:41] <Crysta> Nystul, for example
[03:25:58] <Marzo> Yeah
[03:26:05] <Crysta> plus all of the icons have been cut off somewhat
[03:26:09] <Crysta> in that icon set :p
[03:26:30] <Marzo> Oh, you've seen it already I see :-)
[03:26:42] <Crysta> mm.. have it saved along with the UW1 one :p
[03:26:57] <Marzo> Yeah, I have that one also
[03:27:03] * Marzo loves icons
[03:27:07] <Crysta> heh
[03:27:26] <Crysta> i do too, but because of an old windows game :p
[03:28:04] <Marzo> http://www.geocities.com/mg_rpg_online/Icons.png
[03:28:10] <Marzo> hich one?
[03:28:14] <Marzo> *Which
[03:28:19] <Crysta> Castle of the Winds :P
[03:28:27] <Marzo> Never heard of it
[03:28:41] <Crysta> its decent... random dungeon generator game
[03:28:59] <Crysta> entire game uses icons for graphics
[03:29:17] <Crysta> sadly its so old that non windows-colorset icons dont work in it
[03:29:27] <Crysta> or at least dont work well
[03:29:29] <Marzo> So, what do you think of the icons I just linked to?
[03:29:35] <Crysta> i like them
[03:29:48] <Crysta> seen them before
[03:30:05] <Marzo> I am seeing some screenshots of Castle of the Winds
[03:30:11] <Crysta> heh
[03:30:22] <Marzo> Yeah, I wasn't sure if you'd seen them or not
[03:30:30] <Crysta> well now you are :p
[03:30:48] <Marzo> Indeed
[03:31:50] <Marzo> brb
[03:31:59] <Crysta> by the way, both chapters of CotW are freeware now.. the original author of the game convinced .. Epic megagames was the distributor for it i think.. well whoever put it out was convinced to let it be freeware
[03:32:04] <Crysta> k
[03:33:31] <Marzo> Back
[03:33:45] <Crysta> that was fast :p
[03:34:49] <Marzo> Sometimes, I do mean the 'r' in 'brb' :-)
[03:35:04] <Crysta> lol
[03:35:12] <Crysta> seems like it
[03:36:04] <Marzo> On an icon-related question: I am looking for ideas for an icon for SI Fixes. Do you have any suggestions?
[03:36:18] <Crysta> hmm
[03:36:43] <Marzo> For now, I am thinking of adding something like a band-aid to the serpent icon in the link I posted
[03:36:53] <Crysta> bit too cheesy
[03:37:03] <Marzo> Possibly
[03:37:24] <Crysta> maybe some scene or item from SI?
[03:37:58] <Marzo> One that might work is the (united) blackrock serpents
[03:38:10] <Crysta> that could work
[03:39:03] <Marzo> I will look into some other shapes for ideas
[03:39:10] <Crysta> k ^^
[03:45:23] <Crysta> so what kinda site you makin for the things
[03:45:28] <wizardrydragon> moo
[03:45:37] <Marzo> The cow is back
[03:45:38] <Marzo> :-)
[03:45:49] <Marzo> @crysta: I am thinking of a simple one
[03:46:00] <wizardrydragon> okay, back to the depths of daemon ruins now that ive said my piece
[03:46:06] <Marzo> I am finishing up the stylesheet now
[03:46:12] <Marzo> lol
[03:46:32] <Marzo> I will write a sample page and upload it for apraisal
[03:46:38] <Crysta> k
[03:48:16] <Crysta> i.. dont know what to do.. tired of portrait ripping already
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[04:25:32] <Crysta> well. i guess im headed to bed now
[04:25:32] <Crysta> night marzo :p
[04:25:32] <Crysta> since wiz timed out
[04:25:32] <Crysta> lol
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