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[17:14:06] <Crysta> hi
[17:14:19] <petermdodge> moo
[17:14:27] <Crysta> how ya doin?
[17:14:45] <petermdodge> I'm alive, that's got to count for something
[17:15:03] <Crysta> yeah it does, but i meant besides that
[17:15:09] <petermdodge> lol
[17:15:15] <petermdodge> tired and headachy mostly
[17:15:38] <Crysta> ah
[17:22:56] <Crysta> so whats up? :)
[17:31:08] <petermdodge> not an awful lot
[17:36:10] <Crysta> well what IS then
[17:37:11] <petermdodge> heh poking around in exult studio
[17:37:41] <Crysta> and thats it?
[17:39:29] <petermdodge> pretty much
[17:39:34] <Crysta> well blah
[17:39:36] <petermdodge> like I said not much happening here
[17:39:38] <petermdodge> heh
[17:39:39] <Crysta> you're so boring sometimes
[17:39:43] <petermdodge> I am
[17:40:00] <Crysta> you are
[17:40:12] <petermdodge> I am
[17:40:19] <Crysta> T_T
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[20:45:35] <Marzo_away> Hi
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[20:45:41] <Marzo> (dumb program)
[20:46:15] <Crysta> hi marzo :)
[20:46:29] <Crysta> good to actually see you again.. lol
[20:46:33] <Marzo> Hehe
[20:46:59] <Crysta> whats up man?
[20:47:04] <Marzo> BTW, if you take a closer look at the blonde avatars you'll notice quite a difference (especially the male one)
[20:47:12] <Marzo> Oh, quite a bit of graphic editing
[20:47:18] <Crysta> i did.. i saw the difference on the female one but not the male XD
[20:47:39] <Crysta> ah.. i see it now
[20:47:50] <Crysta> yeah, hair looks a lot better
[20:47:53] <Crysta> but the color
[20:47:58] <Crysta> its still too neon
[20:48:10] <Marzo> wizardry: would you object too much if I completelly reorganized the graphics folder of the TFL cvs?
[20:48:26] <Marzo> Crysta: you should see the original photograph :-)
[20:48:38] <Crysta> actually, id love to see the originals for all of them
[20:48:49] <Crysta> also i suggest using the dark blue for the eyes
[20:48:53] <Crysta> rather than the normal blue
[20:49:08] <Crysta> they're still noticably blue and dont look like they're glowing
[20:49:08] <Marzo> The package has a 'who_is_who' file with links to most of the originals
[20:49:19] <Crysta> mustve missed that
[20:49:28] <Marzo> Re: eyes: will do
[20:49:37] * Marzo pokes petermdodge repeatedly with the Death Scythe in an attempt to get a reply
[20:49:42] <Crysta> the big problems i see are
[20:49:54] <Crysta> too much contrast or not enough contrast on the edges
[20:50:00] <Crysta> er.. against the background
[20:50:04] <Crysta> and the shading
[20:50:20] <Crysta> it looks like it was a straight conversion rather than being reworked to the appropriate style
[20:50:22] <Marzo> Re: navy blue - I did it so that the hair would be visible
[20:50:32] <Crysta> that would be the ones who dont have enough contrast
[20:50:32] <Crysta> lol
[20:50:38] <Crysta> *those would be
[20:50:38] <Marzo> :-)
[20:50:42] <petermdodge> oh sure
[20:50:53] <Marzo> It is hard to have contrasting with black on black :-)
[20:50:53] <petermdodge> people come around when I'm out shovelling the driveway
[20:51:00] <Marzo> lol
[20:51:10] <Crysta> right, but even witht he dark brown
[20:51:16] <Crysta> i mean, the SI devs did it fine
[20:51:21] <Marzo> (that sentence was garbled, but I think you can get the meaning)
[20:51:36] <Marzo> I will look at what they did
[20:51:53] <Crysta> the real problem for me is that no matter how i try i cant grasp their method
[20:51:58] * Marzo points wizardry to an earlier question directed at him
[20:51:59] <Crysta> im too used to working on sprites
[20:52:01] <Crysta> :P
[20:52:07] <Marzo> :-)
[20:52:20] <Marzo> I think you'll like the bucket-headed sprites :-)
[20:52:26] <Crysta> lol
[20:52:28] <Crysta> oh
[20:52:33] <Crysta> the portrait
[20:52:42] <Crysta> the edges of the helmet seem too pointy somehow
[20:52:42] <Marzo> Which one?
[20:52:53] <Crysta> buckethead
[20:52:54] <Crysta> lol
[20:53:00] <Marzo> Top edges?
[20:53:13] <Crysta> top left and top right, yes
[20:53:22] <Marzo> Marzo: wizardry: would you object too much if I completelly reorganized the graphics folder of the TFL cvs?
[20:53:31] <Marzo> So, what is the answer?
[20:54:02] <petermdodge> No.
[20:54:11] <Marzo> (I am thinking of switching to shp files and using expack instead of ipack -- like I did for the keyring mod -- which is why I ask)
[20:54:17] <petermdodge> Marzo might if he has to kill a bunch of stuff though
[20:54:21] <petermdodge> Because I'm not.
[20:54:37] <Marzo> You're not what?
[20:54:47] <Crysta> just what i was thinking
[20:54:48] <Crysta> lol
[20:55:24] <petermdodge> Going to kill any dead folders.
[20:55:38] <petermdodge> It's annoying and I'm not going to bother doing it.
[20:55:44] <Marzo> :-)
[20:56:08] <Marzo> I think I'll keep them for organization but change from pngs to shps
[20:56:49] <Marzo> But the important thing is to have it in a way that lends itself to generation of the vga files with a simple batch file
[20:57:27] <Marzo> Oh, and I forgot: did you notice that I added a lot of new portraits to the TFL CVS?
[20:57:33] <petermdodge> Yes.
[20:57:50] <petermdodge> Though I haven't had time to look at them yet.,
[20:58:33] <Crysta> And i have no way to look at them else i would have
[20:58:33] <Crysta> lol
[20:59:21] <petermdodge> Yeah it's kind of annoying they're not PNGs. Please keep PNG versions.
[20:59:35] <Marzo> Will do
[20:59:39] <petermdodge> The photoshop SHP extension is annoying
[20:59:47] <Crysta> definitely... i use paint shop pro
[20:59:54] <Marzo> Use the gimp one then :-) (it is much better)
[20:59:56] <Crysta> id have no way to look at them :p
[21:00:08] <petermdodge> Nor do I, short of exporting to ES, really.
[21:00:11] <Marzo> I am making a pic
[21:00:37] <Marzo> You can put it in the patch dir and ES will read it
[21:00:49] <petermdodge> That's what I mean
[21:00:53] <petermdodge> But it's annoying
[21:00:55] <Marzo> (and the new portraits in the TFL CVS are all in png)
[21:03:42] <Marzo> http://seventowers.u7feudallands.com/images/newfaces.png
[21:04:23] <petermdodge> Nice
[21:04:26] <Crysta> i liek julia and the unicorn
[21:04:52] <Crysta> mariah is great aside from the mouth
[21:04:58] <Crysta> it sticks out too much
[21:04:58] <petermdodge> I like Mariah. At least I presume the red-haired one is Mariah
[21:05:10] <Crysta> mariah is the second one
[21:05:13] <Marzo> There are names underneath the portraits
[21:05:20] <Crysta> hey pete, note that the names are in the filenames under the pics
[21:05:22] <Crysta> lol
[21:05:51] <Marzo> I went for a more discrete redhead tint for Mariah
[21:06:03] <Marzo> Her hair is *slightly* reddish
[21:06:17] <Crysta> you make the eye colors too bright
[21:06:24] <Crysta> dark green would have been fine for julia :p
[21:06:31] <Marzo> Yeah, in some cases I do
[21:06:41] <Crysta> i wouldnt mention it normally
[21:06:46] <Marzo> Hold on, let me take some notes
[21:06:52] <Crysta> but if you make it double size they look like their eyes are glowing
[21:06:55] <petermdodge> Bah I don't have my glasses on
[21:06:58] <petermdodge> Leave me alone
[21:07:13] <Marzo> (1) darken eyes in portraits
[21:07:16] <petermdodge> they got broked >_>
[21:07:17] <Crysta> didnt know that
[21:07:23] <Marzo> (2) top edges of bucket helm too pointy
[21:07:43] <Crysta> i think jaana's hair is too poofy in the wrong direction
[21:07:44] <Crysta> i mean
[21:07:49] <petermdodge> My comments on the pictures would be
[21:07:50] <Crysta> the back of the head should have more volume
[21:08:18] <petermdodge> (1) Katrina's hair looks a little too sharp along the face, especially about the one sticking out bit
[21:08:23] <Crysta> its typical "squashed head syndrome" :P
[21:08:46] <Marzo> (the photo I based it on was squashed against a wall)
[21:08:57] <petermdodge> (2) Mariah ... eh. Crysta already pointed out the mouth.
[21:09:02] <Crysta> katrina's neck looks like she's turned almost 180 degrees
[21:09:10] <Crysta> i mean
[21:09:15] <Crysta> mid-neck
[21:09:16] <petermdodge> (3) Jaana needs the other half of her head.
[21:09:21] <Marzo> (she was in the original photo too)
[21:09:24] <Crysta> wow
[21:09:31] <Crysta> thats gotta be one messed up woman
[21:09:34] <Crysta> er...
[21:09:38] <petermdodge> (4) Julia - Love this picture, don't change it or you will be eaten by a grue.
[21:09:40] <Crysta> no offense intended to her
[21:09:53] <Crysta> what about the eye changes i suggested?
[21:10:15] <petermdodge> (5) Unicorn - this is different. Very good, too.
[21:10:19] <Marzo> (here is the photo: http://www.newfaces.com/torim4)
[21:10:44] <Crysta> ...
[21:11:12] <petermdodge> Another thought: Soften the shading on Mariahs nech
[21:11:19] <petermdodge> Makes her look OOOOLLLLDDDD
[21:11:41] <Marzo> k
[21:12:10] <Crysta> the SI shading methods are kinda complex
[21:12:18] <Marzo> Yeah
[21:12:19] <petermdodge> Katrina and Julia's are pretty damn good though, except the bit that irks me with Katrina's hair.
[21:12:33] <Marzo> You already mentioned that one :-)
[21:12:35] <petermdodge> Blur/smudge/dither are your friends. Don't neglect them.
[21:12:39] <petermdodge> :-)
[21:12:49] <Crysta> no
[21:12:58] <Marzo> I prefer to do it manually
[21:12:59] <Crysta> if you are making protraits dont EVER use those
[21:13:08] <petermdodge> Au contraire.
[21:13:15] <petermdodge> I use them all the time.
[21:13:15] <Crysta> you have to go at it close up pixel by pixel and keep working till it looks right
[21:13:29] <Marzo> Agreed
[21:13:30] <Crysta> and how often have i complimented you on your portraits?
[21:13:33] <Marzo> (with Crysta)
[21:13:35] <Crysta> >.>
[21:13:43] <petermdodge> Let me see if I can dig up the portrait I'm doing for one of my fiances' RP characters
[21:13:43] <Marzo> hehe
[21:13:59] <Crysta> i mean ones for this project
[21:14:04] <Crysta> i havent seen your work elsewhere :P
[21:14:10] <petermdodge> I do the art first, then SI-ify it
[21:14:30] <Marzo> (and here is Jaana'a original pic: http://www.newfaces.com/lynnjenni)
[21:14:32] <petermdodge> And you've just seen the old hack job ones.
[21:14:33] <petermdodge> Heh
[21:14:39] <Crysta> if you were using the shaders BEFORE you SI'd it then that would be fine
[21:14:50] <Crysta> but using when you've already started really lowesr the quality
[21:14:53] <petermdodge> That is what I just said.
[21:14:53] <Crysta> *lowers
[21:15:04] <petermdodge> Fancy art stuff first SI ify after
[21:15:17] <Crysta> i mthought you meant when yuou were already working on pixeling it
[21:15:23] <petermdodge> No.
[21:15:25] <petermdodge> Hells no.
[21:15:27] <petermdodge> :-)
[21:15:31] <Marzo> :-)
[21:15:33] <Crysta> .. well we all agree then XD
[21:15:38] <petermdodge> Yes!
[21:15:38] <petermdodge> :D
[21:16:00] <petermdodge> Bah I still want to show off m 80+ hours of work thats still horribly unfinished
[21:16:02] * Marzo plais the victory fanfarre :-)
[21:16:03] <petermdodge> :-)
[21:16:34] <petermdodge> Damn am I proud of it, but damn also have I wasted a lot of time on it xD
[21:16:47] <Crysta> i think the real problem is they all feel like fuzzy imported photos.. none of them have the final steps of touchups added
[21:16:59] <Crysta> but it could take upwards of an hour of work on each
[21:17:06] <Marzo> Agreed
[21:17:09] <Crysta> and only then if you knew what you were doing exactly
[21:18:14] <petermdodge> Dammit I keep misplacing my PSDs
[21:18:35] <Marzo> (plus I have the bad habit of not keeping intermediates)
[21:20:07] <Marzo> Crysta: what was the last thing you said the blonde avatars needed again?
[21:20:36] <Crysta> the hair feels too neon and glowy
[21:20:39] <Marzo> (and yes, the longer I look at Julia's eyes, the more phosphorescent they look)
[21:21:04] <petermdodge> Darken them like crysta said.
[21:21:05] <petermdodge> :P
[21:21:12] <petermdodge> Problem solved
[21:22:29] <Marzo> The blonde female: http://www.playtetris.ru/gallery/BuffyTyler.jpg
[21:22:48] <Marzo> The blonde male: http://jaredcurwin.tripod.com/
[21:24:07] <Marzo> (can't find the exact pic; wait a bit)
[21:24:20] <petermdodge> Man, I have a love affair with the airbrush tool an smudge/blur. http://www.lfs.lfhost.com/u7feudallands/images/rudha-for-may.png Tell me what you think :-)
[21:25:14] <Marzo> Here: http://www.newfaces.com/JaredCurwin
[21:25:29] <Marzo> Hm
[21:25:54] <Marzo> I like the face
[21:26:07] <Marzo> It feels like a rendered 3d-model
[21:27:23] <Marzo> I will be going now, but I'll BBL
[21:27:26] <Crysta> yeah.. but obviously you're far from finished
[21:27:31] <Crysta> aw.. k..
[21:27:47] <Marzo> (have Yoga right now)
[21:28:15] <petermdodge> Yeah. Far from finished is right.
[21:28:18] <Marzo> see ya
[21:28:21] <petermdodge> But damn am I proud of it :P
[21:28:24] <petermdodge> Take care Marzo
[21:28:25] <Crysta> :)
[21:28:26] <Marzo> lol
[21:28:28] <Crysta> its a nice start
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[21:28:55] <petermdodge> >_>
[21:28:56] <petermdodge> <_<
[21:28:57] <petermdodge> I might find a way to steal it for TFL
[21:28:59] <petermdodge> :D
[21:29:01] <Crysta> lol
[21:31:16] <petermdodge> I ought to try playing the MUD I'm doing all this work for my fiance's character on XD
[21:31:43] <Crysta> lol
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[23:32:18] <Marzo> Back
[23:32:23] <Crysta> wb
[23:32:36] <petermdodge> woot
[23:32:51] <Marzo> Wow, weird stuff
[23:32:57] <Crysta> ?
[23:33:08] <Marzo> My browser suddenly decided to download 3 javascript files
[23:33:15] <Crysta> ...
[23:33:15] <petermdodge> Virus :3
[23:33:20] <Crysta> virus
[23:33:29] <Marzo> My thoughts exactly :-(
[23:34:00] <Marzo> Oh, well, nothing to do but run a full system scan
[23:34:39] <Marzo> Oh, and I had forgotten to include the new portrait(s) for Laurianna
[23:34:48] <petermdodge> Oooooh
[23:34:50] <petermdodge> Lemme see
[23:34:52] <petermdodge> Lemme see
[23:34:53] <petermdodge> Lemme see
[23:34:53] <petermdodge> Lemme see
[23:34:54] <petermdodge> Lemme see
[23:34:57] <Marzo> lol
[23:35:04] <Marzo> Wait a sec
[23:35:31] <Marzo> I am not as happy about it as I am with Julia's, though, so be warned
[23:38:22] <Marzo> I see that, as usual, this channel exploded with new life while I was away :-p
[23:38:34] <Crysta> yeup
[23:38:44] <Marzo> http://seventowers.u7feudallands.com/images/laurianna.png
[23:38:54] <Marzo> wait
[23:39:08] <Marzo> ??
[23:39:24] <Crysta> ?
[23:39:27] <Marzo> Oh, had uploaded to the wrong dir
[23:39:30] <Marzo> It is there now
[23:40:11] <Marzo> The problam with Laurianna is that I had used the background color as an indicator of her state of mind
[23:40:20] <Marzo> *problem
[23:40:53] <Marzo> Well, so?
[23:40:56] <petermdodge> Actually thats not too bad
[23:41:02] <petermdodge> the orange one is like OMFG though
[23:41:18] <Marzo> fourth from left?
[23:41:24] <petermdodge> Other wise it's not bad at all
[23:41:32] <petermdodge> The one with the orange in the background
[23:41:35] <petermdodge> it makes my eyes bleed
[23:41:36] <Marzo> It is the 'angry' portrait
[23:41:43] <Marzo> It is a cycling palette
[23:41:55] <Marzo> It is fiery in game
[23:42:27] <Marzo> I will see if I can capture it to show
[23:42:53] <Marzo> (does anyone know a good video capture program?)
[23:44:53] <petermdodge> I mean, the orange just looks out of place
[23:44:57] <petermdodge> Especially in the eyes
[23:45:08] <Marzo> Like I said, it cycles
[23:45:14] <petermdodge> Tip: Throw some lighting on her face
[23:45:16] <Marzo> Glows, is the more appropeiate term
[23:45:24] <Marzo> Oh, right
[23:45:27] <Marzo> got it now
[23:45:36] <petermdodge> :-)
[23:45:51] <petermdodge> Hair too, though that'll be a pain.
[23:46:13] <Marzo> Not so much
[23:46:25] <petermdodge> Oh well it would be for me.
[23:46:29] <petermdodge> I am teh suck at hair.
[23:46:31] <Marzo> It is just that I wanted opinions on the portrait before spending too much work in it
[23:46:38] <petermdodge> :-)
[23:46:48] <petermdodge> Well other than that I've pointed out it looks fine.
[23:50:11] <Marzo> (as a curiosity: when I was first making the original portrait/sprite, I was going to give Laurianna a flaming hair -- as in palette swaping. However, portraits didn't cycle in Exult back then, and I decided it was a bit too much, so I decided in 'hypersaturated redhead' instead)
[23:50:28] <petermdodge> Heh
[23:52:50] <Marzo> Julia no longer has phosphorecent eyes
[23:53:08] <Crysta> lol