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[00:45:51] <wizardrydragon> Blah. Some Wikipedian's just make me wanna go postal with a good 20-lb sledgehammer :P
[00:45:59] <Marzo> :-)
[00:46:11] <wizardrydragon> I'll make it a game
[00:46:17] <wizardrydragon> I'll call it "Whack-A-Vandal"
[00:46:32] <Marzo> What did he/she/it did/said?
[00:46:39] <Marzo> Oh, a vandal?
[00:46:47] <wizardrydragon> Well, that's among other things
[00:46:54] <wizardrydragon> My talk page is awash with the results of the rest.
[00:47:10] <Marzo> heh
[00:47:25] <wizardrydragon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wizardry_Dragon if you have the morbid curiosity thing going.
[00:48:53] <Marzo> Wow
[00:49:24] <wizardrydragon> See why the blood pressures going a little high? :P
[00:49:32] <Marzo> :-)
[00:49:48] <wizardrydragon> Anyways, I'll be back in a bit, for the sake of my doctor not shooting me for the high blood pressure, I'm going to take a short walk.
[00:49:59] <Marzo> Take care
[00:50:09] <wizardrydragon> (The job of a mediator and moderator is a very stressful and largely unappreciated one)
[00:50:21] <wizardrydragon> I'll be back shortly, I jhust need to disengage from that a bit.
[00:51:53] --- wizardrydragon is now known as Wiz_Away
[01:28:28] <Wiz_Away> Back
[01:28:32] --- Wiz_Away is now known as wizardrydragon
[01:28:33] <Marzo> WB
[01:28:53] <wizardrydragon> :)
[01:28:57] <Marzo> If you have the time, poke around the homepage and tell me what you think
[01:29:21] <Marzo> I think it is reaching a final version
[01:29:22] <wizardrydragon> Sure, I could use an excuse to ignore my talk page :)
[01:29:31] <Marzo> (still have to do the links page, though)
[01:29:37] <Marzo> lol
[01:34:11] <wizardrydragon> I like how you "nested" the mods in a single page
[01:34:38] <wizardrydragon> You realize the links page has the contents of the news page, I presume?
[01:41:38] <Marzo> Yes, it is because I copied over the news page into the links page
[01:41:50] <wizardrydragon> :)
[01:41:51] <Marzo> (the basic file structure is the same for all files)
[01:42:10] <Marzo> It is why I said I still needed to do the Links page above :-)
[01:44:40] <Marzo> Oh, and BTW, I didn't have to change anything in the php code to have the multiple download links
[01:44:53] <wizardrydragon> I told you so.
[01:45:07] <Marzo> :-)
[01:46:51] <Marzo> I guess I copied the Exult php better than I had thought :-)
[01:48:37] <wizardrydragon> :)
[01:48:46] <wizardrydragon> Ctrl-C and Ctrl-v isn't that hard :)
[01:48:54] <Marzo> lol
[01:50:30] <wizardrydragon> I think I might have a laugh or two for you.
[01:50:42] <Marzo> Go ahead
[01:50:49] * wizardrydragon is reading over a forum post one person made on a forum about how evolution isn't true science.
[01:51:35] <Marzo> Oh, those guys :-)
[01:51:57] <wizardrydragon> This guy makes the new pope look like a liberal, too.
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[01:52:59] <wizardrydragon> blah, too much at once
[01:53:10] <Marzo> Post a link
[01:53:37] <wizardrydragon> Er, you have to have an account and login. Give me a moment, I'll put it up somewheres so hyou don't have to do that
[01:53:42] <Marzo> Oh
[01:54:54] <wizardrydragon> I imagine it's nothing you haven't heard before but I still can't help but shake my head over some of it.
[01:56:23] <Marzo> It will be hard to top the one said by a priest (can't remember the name) in front of his congregation about the 'culture wars'
[01:56:31] <wizardrydragon> :)
[01:56:34] <wizardrydragon> I remember that
[01:56:50] <Marzo> "We are under attack by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture"
[01:57:04] <Marzo> :-)
[01:57:07] <wizardrydragon> That's the church for ya, if you ask me :)
[01:57:09] <wizardrydragon> http://www.u7feudallands.com/taz.txt
[01:57:20] <wizardrydragon> Might want to download it so you can have word wrap :)
[01:57:34] <Marzo> Indeed
[01:57:56] <wizardrydragon> Or just so you can print it out and burn it :)
[01:58:05] <Marzo> lol
[02:00:04] <wizardrydragon> Anyways, there it is :)
[02:00:33] <Marzo> The first paragraph alone is fodder for uncontrollable laughter
[02:00:55] <wizardrydragon> I told you I had a laugh for you :)
[02:02:56] <wizardrydragon> Some of it doesn't parse well in english, either.
[02:03:08] <Marzo> Did you notice that the two 'Laws of "Thermodynamics"' he pulls out of his hat are contradictory?
[02:04:26] <Marzo> Heh
[02:04:32] <Marzo> Where did you get this from?
[02:04:59] <Marzo> I know of a few people which would LOVE to know him
[02:05:18] <Marzo> (as a contender of 'worst creationist ever' :-p)
[02:05:27] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[02:05:40] <wizardrydragon> It's actually posted in a few forums.
[02:06:22] <Marzo> Over half of his arguments, from what I see, are in the 'List of arguments creationists should not use' from the 'Answers in Genesis' *creationist* website :-)
[02:06:49] <wizardrydragon> The forum I'm talking about is private(and he got banneds after calling the Admin a heathen too many times), but it's also in the Nightwish forum (where I've butted heads with him myself
[02:07:39] <wizardrydragon> Nightwish.com/forum
[02:07:51] <wizardrydragon> I didn't think of that till you asked or I woulda linked to it :)
[02:07:57] <Marzo> :-)
[02:08:13] <Marzo> What is the name of the topic?
[02:08:21] <wizardrydragon> It's kinda hard to miss
[02:08:33] <wizardrydragon> Look for the "Mythbusters" (*snicker*) topic.
[02:08:40] <Marzo> I assume it is in the 'off-topic' section?
[02:08:44] <wizardrydragon> If you feel so inclined you can register and post a response.
[02:08:54] <wizardrydragon> Well yes, seeing as it has little to do with a metal band :)
[02:10:33] <wizardrydragon> The guy basically believes any christians that dont believe whatever he does cant be a christian, it'd be funny if the way he experessed that wasn't in slander :P
[02:10:56] <Marzo> That is standard creationist belief
[02:11:10] <wizardrydragon> That is standard Church belief, in my exsperience :)
[02:11:43] <Marzo> That too :-)
[02:12:07] <Marzo> But fundamentalists in general, and creationists in particular, tend to be much more vocal about it
[02:12:09] <wizardrydragon> (I am a Christian, by the way, but as can be readilyh seen I don't get along with the church. Many would say I can't be a christian then :) )
[02:13:07] <Marzo> I am a polyatheistic, polyaphatheistic strongly agnostic rationalist myself, although that can hardly be considered a religious denomination
[02:13:27] <wizardrydragon> I'm not so foolish as to believe half the complete asnd utter crap most creationists spout though.
[02:13:49] <wizardrydragon> Is that a word? Polyapatheistic?
[02:13:58] <wizardrydragon> *checks the Wikitionary*
[02:14:18] <Marzo> Most of the time, it takes someone really foolish (or extremelly ignorant) to believe even .0001% of what creationists say
[02:14:32] <Marzo> I may have missed an 'h'
[02:14:36] <wizardrydragon> Or uneducated.
[02:14:38] <wizardrydragon> Remember, they
[02:14:53] <wizardrydragon> *they're under attack by the intelligent educated people :)
[02:15:31] <Marzo> 'polyapatheistic' means basically that I couldn't care less if any gods or supernatural entities exist or not as it won't make any difference in the way I live my life
[02:15:39] <Marzo> :-)
[02:15:42] <wizardrydragon> I'd drink to that.
[02:15:51] <wizardrydragon> :)
[02:15:57] <wizardrydragon> (So would Dupre)
[02:16:18] <Marzo> Dupre would drink to anything, as long as the ale was good :-)
[02:16:35] <wizardrydragon> I like to ask Fundamentalist what they opinion on the Law of Necroconstancy is, myself.
[02:16:45] <wizardrydragon> I guess I'm just an atagonistic person :)
[02:17:02] <wizardrydragon> *Fundamentalist should be plural
[02:17:03] <Marzo> Law of what!?
[02:17:09] <wizardrydragon> Necroconstancy.
[02:17:22] <wizardrydragon> Its a complicated way of say that which is dead, stays dead.
[02:17:27] <Marzo> Oh
[02:17:55] <wizardrydragon> Which kind of doesn't work with the whole rising from the dead on the third day thing.
[02:18:41] <Marzo> Or the upcoming apocalypse, in which all of the dead will rise from their graves
[02:18:46] <wizardrydragon> Indeed.
[02:19:16] <wizardrydragon> Personally, my take is that Jesus did exist, he was probably a great guy and he certainly had good ideas, but son of some god? Er, that's stretching it a little.
[02:19:29] <Marzo> :-)
[02:19:56] <Marzo> That right there is enough to get you burned in some parts of the world (or, at the very least, ostracized)
[02:19:59] <Marzo> :-)
[02:20:03] <wizardrydragon> No, just stoned.
[02:20:25] <wizardrydragon> And not in the American "I had too much meth" way either.
[02:20:28] <Marzo> The stoning should be for wearing clothes woven of two different fibers :-)
[02:20:32] <Marzo> lol
[02:20:35] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[02:21:29] <wizardrydragon> But, as I said to the guy myself, you have a right to free speech, but I don't have to listen to you. :-)
[02:22:30] <Marzo> The worst part of arguing with creationists, however, is that cognitive dissonance completelly prevents them from ever taking evolution (or any science that contradicts their beliefs -- basically all of it) seriously -- even from the sake of argument -- which basically makes them impervious to rational conversation and discourse
[02:22:37] <Marzo> Very true
[02:22:54] <wizardrydragon> I may have an open mind, but it comes with a "No dumping" sign :)
[02:22:55] <Marzo> *from->for
[02:23:06] <wizardrydragon> "Cognitive dissonance"?
[02:23:12] <Marzo> "I try to keep an open mind, but my brain keeps falling out"
[02:23:22] <wizardrydragon> Oh I don't have that problem.
[02:23:24] <wizardrydragon> :-)
[02:23:49] <Marzo> The inability of a person to seriously consider something which goes against his/her beliefs
[02:24:19] <Marzo> (that was a quote I've seen in the web before mocking astrologers)
[02:25:09] <wizardrydragon> I know that much, I just don't fully grasp the context it's used in. (I meant that as in "elaborate please?" :) )
[02:28:03] <Marzo> Given that creationists are completelly commited to a specific literal interpretation of the Bible -- which states that the Earth was created by God some 6000 years ago, and created all animals with their modern day features and all -- they are unable to seriously think about evolution as it implies an older Earth and that animals were completelly different in the past
[02:28:23] <wizardrydragon> Ah
[02:28:24] <wizardrydragon> Indeed.
[02:28:28] <Marzo> They simply dismiss it in any way they can in order to preserve their beliefs
[02:28:44] <wizardrydragon> Nevermind that some fossils have dated back more than ten thousands years :)
[02:30:00] <wizardrydragon> *thousand should be singular
[02:30:44] <Marzo> In their minds, that is evidence that either, (a) the dating methods do not work or (b) they work but the physical constants changed in the past, creating an illusion of older age, (c) that God created an universe that falsely appears to be old or (d) that scientists are atheistic heathens which should not be trusted about anything
[02:31:16] <Marzo> And they manage to completelly ignore the theological implications of alternative (c) while at it
[02:31:38] <Marzo> It is sad, really
[02:31:41] <wizardrydragon> Oh its always D in my experience, but we must be specific - only sthe scientists that disagree with them are heathens
[02:32:29] <Marzo> Creationists usually pretend to seriously entertain the previous three items in order to try to lure people into thinking creationism is scientific
[02:34:00] <wizardrydragon> I have several problems with creationist literature. The first is that they rely on a lot of scientists that are simply, as you termed it "cranks". And not Tesla "I'm off my rocker but I have some right observations" crank but complete crank :) (One creationist I had what could only vaguely be termed discourse with kept citing this free energy scientist, which was a warning bell to me). Second, their metho
[02:34:53] <Marzo> I think I can finish that for you
[02:35:56] <Marzo> Second, their methods include using as much lies, deception and intellectual dishonesty as they can possibly get away with since they believe they are doing it for a good cause (and hence, that they will be forgiven by God for it)
[02:36:05] <Marzo> More or less right?
[02:36:28] <wizardrydragon> Never mind that very unambiguous commandment in the Bible "Thou shall not lie"
[02:36:32] <wizardrydragon> But that's pretty correct.
[02:37:07] <Marzo> IME, they tend to interpret that as 'Thou shalt not lie to other christians'
[02:37:24] <wizardrydragon> Yep.
[02:37:30] <wizardrydragon> People rationalise :)
[02:37:32] <Marzo> And given their particular interpretation of what 'christian' means...
[02:39:01] <wizardrydragon> In fact, that's the crux of why they won't accept Evolution, really - they don't want to, and thus, they rationalize reasons why it couldn't work. People have an abilty to come up with some pretty far-fetched ideas when they rationalise things. Creationists being a case in point for that.
[02:40:28] <Marzo> Indeed
[02:40:43] <Marzo> Now appply that to astrologers, chiropractors, qi-gong practioners, homeopathy... the list goes on and on
[02:40:55] <wizardrydragon> Indeed.
[02:41:05] <Marzo> Some are worse than others, but they all fall more or less in the same line
[02:41:32] <wizardrydragon> The difference with chiroprators and homeopathic medicine is theres some truth there (buried :) ). I've yet to find any real truth to Creationist literature.
[02:41:49] <wizardrydragon> "Qi-gong"?
[02:42:13] <wizardrydragon> Astrologers I have no argument with - it's just an extension of superstitions.
[02:42:42] <Marzo> Traditional Chinese medicine, in which the 'doctor' attempts to cure the person by realligning a person's qi
[02:42:51] <wizardrydragon> Ah.
[02:43:10] <Marzo> (the more traditional Wertern spelling of 'qi' is 'chi')
[02:43:27] <wizardrydragon> Its not as bad as ancient European mediciene, where they would cut you open and bleed out the "impurities"
[02:43:38] <Marzo> One of the leading qi-gong experts has basically said it is crap :-)
[02:44:08] <wizardrydragon> :)
[02:44:19] <wizardrydragon> Reminds me a bit of Scientology
[02:44:29] <wizardrydragon> What was that Hubbard quote?
[02:44:32] <Marzo> But being chinese, and living in China, he put it much more delicatelly than that :-)
[02:44:58] <Marzo> Which one? It is not like there aren't many :-)
[02:45:24] <wizardrydragon> something along the lines of "if you want to make a lot of money, stasrt a religion"
[02:45:34] <Marzo> Oh, that one
[02:45:38] <wizardrydragon> :)
[02:45:59] <Marzo> One thing you must give him credit for is that he followed his own advice :-)
[02:46:08] <wizardrydragon> Oh I do :)
[02:46:56] <wizardrydragon> There are some cooky religions out there like Wicca, but THAT quote should've tipped off followers of scientology
[02:47:55] <Marzo> If you take a look at Scientology beliefs, you will see that they are too far gone to care about that quote :-)
[02:49:08] <wizardrydragon> :)
[02:49:19] <wizardrydragon> Mind you, the early Church was like that too.
[02:49:33] <wizardrydragon> "Indulegences" and whatnot. it was all about money
[02:49:36] <Marzo> No, I don't think it was ever that bad :-)
[02:50:20] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[02:50:29] <wizardrydragon> Perhaps, but it's not dissimilar
[02:50:47] <Marzo> :-)
[02:51:39] <wizardrydragon> For all the complaints the fundamentalist Christians have about the bloodiness of a lot of Islam, they seem blissfully ignorant of the Crusades or Inquisition
[02:51:52] <Marzo> Indeed
[02:52:01] <wizardrydragon> Especially the first.
[02:52:18] <wizardrydragon> I mean, one crusade rmy was of children for goodness sake
[02:54:48] <wizardrydragon> Enlighten me about one thing though
[02:54:59] <Marzo> Shoot
[02:55:39] <wizardrydragon> Taz mentions M-Theory - is there anything by any not completely disreputable scientist on this?
[02:56:06] <Marzo> Many reputable scientists are working on it
[02:56:22] <Marzo> But the problem is that it is theoretical speculation right now
[02:56:47] <wizardrydragon> Explain it then, because the ones he's cited are as far as I can see, re playing about fourty cards short of a deck :)
[02:57:21] <Marzo> Like I said, it is theoretical speculation yet
[02:57:53] <Marzo> It is all rooted in the fact that General Relativity -- which describes gravity -- is fundamentally incompatible with Quantum Mechanics
[02:58:18] <Marzo> So, naturally, there have been many attempts to unify the two theories into a coherent whole
[02:58:30] <Marzo> (the 'Grand Unified Theory')
[02:58:49] <Marzo> Einstein himself tried many times, and many other phisicists did so too
[02:59:24] <Marzo> The latest attempt -- which has had the best success so far, in a purely theoretical way -- is string theory
[02:59:38] <Marzo> (also called 'super-string' theory by some)
[02:59:45] <wizardrydragon> Now THATs something I've heard of :)
[03:00:16] <Marzo> Basically, in string theory, you assume that fundamental particles are not a point, but strings in a higher dimensional universe
[03:01:21] <wizardrydragon> Some of what I've read about string theory is really quite consistent for a system fo eight or nine dimensions, if only we live in one :)
[03:01:24] <Marzo> For the theory to be consistent, however, you are forced to allow them to be what is called 'n-branes' -- basically, that one cannot have only 1-dimensional strings, but 2-dimensional membranes, 3-dimensional membranes and so on, until the dimension of the space
[03:01:31] <wizardrydragon> *fo/of
[03:01:58] <Marzo> The lowest dimension in which a plain string theory is self-consistent is with 23 dimensions
[03:02:07] <wizardrydragon> :)
[03:02:27] <Marzo> But the addition of supersymmetry reduces that to 9 or so
[03:02:40] <wizardrydragon> That was the bit I was talking about
[03:02:57] <Marzo> (supersymmetry is a theoretically-reasonable requirement on bosons and fermions)
[03:03:27] <Marzo> There are many different ways in which the original theory and the reduction due to supersymmetry can be done, however
[03:03:59] <Marzo> This leads to several 9-dimensional string theories (and now that I think about it, I may be misremembering the number)
[03:04:00] <wizardrydragon> A lot of what I have studied about string theory is it's relation to astrophysics, as you can imagine :) What, being my area of interest and all.
[03:04:30] <Marzo> I think that it is actually 11 the number of dimensions, not 9 as I said
[03:05:09] <wizardrydragon> That's not entirely correct. Different theories disagree on the number of directions :)
[03:05:18] <Marzo> In any case, it was fount out that many of those x-dimensional theories were derived from a much smaller number of x+1-dimensional theories
[03:05:30] <wizardrydragon> :)
[03:06:37] <wizardrydragon> I contemplated putting my own thoughts on the issue in an essay, but I'm too lazy.
[03:06:41] <Marzo> Similarly, many of those x+1-dimensional theories were derived from an even smaller set of x+2-dimensional theories -- possibly a single theory, the 'Mother'-theory (M-Theory for short) which has almost been proven to exist but which hasn't been found yet
[03:07:23] <Marzo> (I think it has been proven to exist, but it has been several years since I last looked into string theory seriously)
[03:07:30] <wizardrydragon> Well yes and no.
[03:07:51] <wizardrydragon> As you said, they've proven something exists, but they don't know what exactly they've proven to exist.
[03:08:28] <Marzo> As is, some string theories already correctly predict the masses of several fermions, including electrons -- but they also predict the existence of tachions
[03:08:54] <wizardrydragon> You mean tachyons, I presume?
[03:08:59] <Marzo> Yes
[03:09:02] <wizardrydragon> :)
[03:09:12] <wizardrydragon> Just checking.
[03:09:26] <wizardrydragon> Actually, tachyons are quite an interesting little idea.
[03:09:35] <Marzo> (I am used to the term in portuguese)
[03:09:53] <Marzo> Which completelly violate relativity theory :-)
[03:10:00] <Marzo> (well, not violate)
[03:10:04] <wizardrydragon> Hense, interesting :)
[03:10:32] <Marzo> Tachions were already conjectured long before string theories, though
[03:10:42] <wizardrydragon> Interesting because they seem to be a reasonable violation (as opposed to something completely off the handle)
[03:12:00] <Marzo> In one famous case of an attempted detection of tachyons, the very first run of the experiment gave the exact result they were looking for -- but to this day, it never happened again
[03:12:09] <wizardrydragon> :)
[03:12:23] <Marzo> Murphy to the rescue :-)
[03:14:37] <wizardrydragon> The problem with Tachyons is we don't really understand enough about them to really know how to accurately (and reliably, obviously) detect them.
[03:15:41] <wizardrydragon> (It's been a source of debate whether they detected a tachyon or something else entirely, too)
[03:16:48] <Marzo> Given that the detection never happened again, and that it happened on the very first run, there is a strong suspicion that it was a fluke
[03:16:59] <wizardrydragon> Indeed.
[03:17:57] <wizardrydragon> I'm not so quick to write off something like that, but, at the same time, as I mentioned, who can say what it is they detected, too :)
[03:19:50] <wizardrydragon> (I've always been one to trhy to explain why something only occured the once, rather than just writing it off. If nothing else, understanding why it only came up once can help explain experimental failure.)
[03:21:06] <Marzo> In experimental physics, they always have to give Murphy his due
[03:21:15] <wizardrydragon> hehe
[03:21:32] <Marzo> (some even increase their error bands to represent the 'Murphy factor')
[03:21:48] <wizardrydragon> You can't always explain that one time, but, if you can, then even if it was a failure, you fully undrstand why :)
[03:25:52] <wizardrydragon> (I always get a kick out of scientists that include the "Murphy factor" :-) )
[03:26:01] <Marzo> :-)
[03:26:12] <wizardrydragon> But maybe that's because it's usually included with humourous asides :)
[03:26:26] <Marzo> Being a theoretical physicist, I never get to include it :-(
[03:26:51] <wizardrydragon> Haha
[03:29:06] <wizardrydragon> "By the way, this theory includes a margin of error to account for the Murphy Factor."
[03:29:19] <Marzo> :-)
[03:29:29] <Marzo> Sadly, everything works perfectly in theory
[03:29:32] <Marzo> :-)
[03:30:34] <wizardrydragon> Until the next thoretical physicist comes along :)
[03:33:24] <wizardrydragon> Scientists like to prove other scientists wrong, after all :)
[03:34:34] <wizardrydragon> Ugh.
[03:34:44] <Marzo> This is one major nail in the coffin of most conspiracy theories advanced by creationists, shiropractors and so on
[03:34:46] <wizardrydragon> *goes looking for an axe*
[03:35:05] <wizardrydragon> Please specify which nail your referring to.
[03:35:21] <Marzo> [01:33] wizardrydragon: Scientists like to prove other scientists wrong, after all :)
[03:35:36] <wizardrydragon> Yep :)
[03:36:18] <wizardrydragon> Most of this conversation has been nails in said coffin, so you had to be a little more specific there.
[03:36:28] <Marzo> :-)
[03:38:53] <wizardrydragon> hehe
[03:43:08] * wizardrydragon at least feels better there was a good reason he was having trouble mediating that MfD discussion, seeing as one of them has a banlist six items too long.
[03:54:05] <wizardrydragon> Question
[03:54:21] <Marzo> Shoot
[03:54:51] <wizardrydragon> Is it safe to work on the spells code, or will you be doing those changes you discussed in the foreseeable future?
[03:55:06] <Marzo> It is in the foreseeable future
[03:55:24] <Marzo> Depending on how big changes you are planning on doing, I can wait though
[03:55:49] <wizardrydragon> Well I was considering jimmying with the spell effects as I had explained before.
[03:56:38] <wizardrydragon> I can content myself with working on TFL spells, though. :)
[03:58:06] <Marzo> I am off to bed
[03:58:09] <Marzo> Good night
[03:58:13] <wizardrydragon> Sleep well
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[03:58:17] <Marzo> lol
[03:58:21] <Marzo> Hi Crysta
[03:58:22] <Crysta> hi people :)
[03:58:27] <Marzo> Good night, Crysta
[03:58:29] <Marzo> :-)
[03:58:37] <Crysta> damn
[03:58:41] <Crysta> night marzo :\
[03:58:47] <Crysta> i shoulda gotten on sooner
[03:58:53] <Marzo> (that is the reason for the 'lol' above)
[03:58:58] <Marzo> 'Night
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[03:59:05] <Crysta> well i got to say goodnight :P
[03:59:21] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[03:59:31] <Crysta> so whats up today
[04:00:20] <wizardrydragon> Wikipedia raised my blood pressure about fifty points, my leg hurts like hell (no surprise there), umm not much else.
[04:00:33] <wizardrydragon> Oh Marzo finished or nearly finished his site.
[04:00:56] <Crysta> .... i think something is terribly wrong witht he mod
[04:01:36] <wizardrydragon> What this time?
[04:01:44] <Crysta> it seems to re-set the dont_move flag every time i even load a savegame
[04:01:55] <wizardrydragon> Thats not a mod issue.
[04:01:58] <wizardrydragon> Exult does that.
[04:02:07] <Crysta> well
[04:02:09] <Crysta> anyway
[04:02:11] <wizardrydragon> I can't help that :P
[04:02:16] <Crysta> it also seems to have saved on the wrong map
[04:02:28] <wizardrydragon> Howso?
[04:03:16] <Crysta> well i saved on the TFL map and ended up in the dungeon map
[04:03:40] <Crysta> and dont tell me i just saved in someplace other than what i remember
[04:03:41] <wizardrydragon> That's ... very odd.
[04:03:59] <Crysta> theres no way i would have saved in the broken destard floor
[04:04:09] <wizardrydragon> The dungoen map 01 or 03? (they're both dungeon maps, one for Brit, and one for TFL that's empty)
[04:04:31] <Crysta> 01
[04:04:44] <wizardrydragon> And you saved in TFL, map 02?
[04:04:55] <Crysta> from what i remember yes
[04:05:07] <Crysta> i dont see why i would be wrong on this tho
[04:05:15] <Crysta> i know better than to save in a broken area like that
[04:05:16] <wizardrydragon> Did it come up on the same place, just on the other map, or another place entirely?
[04:05:27] <Crysta> i dont know because i cant remember te original place
[04:05:37] <wizardrydragon> Hmm.
[04:05:47] <Crysta> its probably just me x.x
[04:05:50] <wizardrydragon> Im not sure if that's a mod issue or an Exult issue
[04:06:20] <wizardrydragon> I'll ask Mazro tomorrow if I see him.
[04:06:23] <Crysta> no
[04:06:28] <Crysta> it looks like it was just me
[04:06:38] <Crysta> and now im wondering why the hell i saved there of all places
[04:06:57] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[04:07:32] <Crysta> :|
[04:07:55] <wizardrydragon> I've done worse, just ask Masrzo
[04:07:57] <wizardrydragon> *Marzo
[04:08:05] <Crysta> lol
[04:10:17] <wizardrydragon> :-)
[04:12:27] <Crysta> blah... the day before haloween is so boring
[04:12:49] <wizardrydragon> lol
[04:12:54] <wizardrydragon> Im going to a party
[04:12:59] <Crysta> im not
[04:13:27] <wizardrydragon> Well then it sounds like Halloween might be boring for you too :P
[04:13:57] <Crysta> yeah.. but i get to eat some of the candy im giving out at least
[04:14:20] <wizardrydragon> lol
[04:14:23] <wizardrydragon> mmm candy
[04:15:18] <wizardrydragon> well I gotta get to bed
[04:15:28] <wizardrydragon> I have long day tomorrow
[04:15:35] <wizardrydragon> *a long day
[04:16:14] <Crysta> lol
[04:16:19] <Crysta> night :\
[04:16:28] <wizardrydragon> night
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