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[00:00:05] <Marzo> All in all, the arms of the black avatars are 1 pixel off in relation to the other colors (the direction varies), and non-white avatars are missing a chunk in the back
[00:00:35] <Crysta> sounds like someone pasted them together poorly :p
[00:00:44] <Marzo> Yep
[00:02:10] <Marzo> I won't promise to add these to Exult CVS, but I can make an independent 'SI Data Fix Patch' for download
[00:02:49] <Crysta> so this mean you want my paperdoll fixes? :p
[00:02:56] <Crysta> wasnt gonna upload them unless i was asked
[00:02:57] <Crysta> lol
[00:03:07] <Marzo> Maybe a pack which will actually alter the SI's paperdol.vga file using some binary-diff program
[00:03:31] <Marzo> At least for personal use, I will; I will think about the data patch
[00:03:42] <Marzo> And Petra's fix too, please
[00:04:27] <Crysta> just gotta find petra
[00:04:28] <Crysta> lol
[00:04:39] <Crysta> and im still not touching the male paperdolls unless asked
[00:04:48] <Marzo> Consider it done
[00:07:45] <Crysta> ...
[00:07:48] <Crysta> damn..
[00:07:49] <Crysta> k
[00:07:49] <Crysta> :p
[00:07:54] <Marzo> :-)
[00:08:33] <Crysta> just gotta find petra
[00:08:55] <Marzo> I am thinking
[00:09:05] <Marzo> The shirt's fit is quite good on the white avatars
[00:09:21] <Marzo> I will send the shirt as-is, and fix it if anyone complains
[00:09:27] <Crysta> k
[00:09:34] <Marzo> (going about it the lazy way, I know :-p)
[00:09:38] <Crysta> ive never used anything other than the basic avatars
[00:09:44] <Crysta> so i had no way of knowing
[00:10:45] <Marzo> I also only used the basic avatars -- or the recolor I did (the "redhead patch" that was in ESGuides), which was based on the white avatar
[00:11:08] <Marzo> Next: dresses
[00:11:18] <Crysta> of course i also took forever to notice that petra was brokne
[00:11:19] <Crysta> lol
[00:11:26] <Marzo> :-)
[00:11:46] <Marzo> Random question: How about doing those male pants?
[00:11:47] <Crysta> *broken
[00:11:48] * Marzo ducks
[00:11:56] <Crysta> lol
[00:12:01] <Crysta> eventually
[00:12:13] <Marzo> Define 'eventually'
[00:12:27] <Marzo> (with a 3-day accuracy, please :-p)
[00:12:32] <Crysta> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/crystaelf/rewhh.gif
[00:12:36] <Crysta> not now :P
[00:12:48] <Crysta> and thats not within 3 days
[00:12:48] <Crysta> lol
[00:13:13] * Marzo pokes wizardrydragon repeatedly with the Death Scythe in an attempt to get a reply
[00:13:14] <Crysta> ignore the bad female avatar recolor head on that petra sheet
[00:13:22] <Marzo> k
[00:13:32] <Crysta> it was an attempt that went badly :P
[00:13:33] <Marzo> It looks better than the original, IMO
[00:13:42] <Crysta> yeah but the other is unique
[00:13:50] <Crysta> so until a better one is made stick with it
[00:13:59] <Crysta> that is recolored on that sheet at least tho
[00:14:01] <Crysta> keep that in mind
[00:15:01] <Crysta> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/crystaelf/paperdolls9.gif
[00:15:15] <Crysta> now as for the male avatars.. might be a few days
[00:15:17] <Crysta> or tomorrow
[00:15:20] <Crysta> depensd on how i feel
[00:15:21] <Crysta> lol
[00:15:25] <Crysta> *depends
[00:15:34] <Marzo> Or when the male pants are done...
[00:15:36] * Marzo ducks
[00:15:40] <Marzo> :-)
[00:15:40] <Crysta> lol
[00:15:46] <Crysta> not that far
[00:15:57] <Crysta> i CAN say within 3 days for the male avatar bodies
[00:16:05] <Crysta> much less work involved with them than with the pants
[00:16:23] <Marzo> While you are at it, check the arms to see if they all have the same shapes too
[00:16:33] <Marzo> I think they do, but better safe than sorry
[00:16:38] <Crysta> ill do so
[00:16:42] <Crysta> especially after this
[00:16:43] <Crysta> lol
[00:16:47] <Crysta> and after that
[00:16:56] <Crysta> i might go so far as to do albino ones for no real reason
[00:16:58] <Crysta> lol
[00:17:09] <Crysta> but those would lack the portraits
[00:17:14] <Marzo> FYI: and who says that the original art was made taking these differences in consideration?
[00:17:30] <Crysta> i dont know if it was or not
[00:17:51] <Marzo> I can see portions of the black avatar's arms poking out through the palte arms
[00:17:55] <Crysta> ...
[00:17:55] <Crysta> lol
[00:17:56] <Marzo> *plate
[00:18:04] <Crysta> well then guess that answers that
[00:18:11] <Marzo> It takes great attention to detail, but they are there
[00:18:30] <Marzo> brb
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[00:18:38] <Crysta> k again
[00:30:49] <wizardrydragon> whee
[00:31:02] <wizardrydragon> stressful arguments are fun :3
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[00:37:54] <Marzo> Back
[00:38:03] <wizardrydragon> yay!
[00:38:27] <Marzo> You didn't answer my last question
[00:38:42] <Crysta> ?
[00:38:54] <Marzo> (talking to wizardrydragon)
[00:39:07] <wizardrydragon> Which one?
[00:39:13] <Marzo> [23:10:32] <wizardrydragon> You're on the exult article yknow
[00:39:14] <Marzo> [23:30:21] <Marzo> Which Exult article?
[00:40:29] <Marzo> That one
[00:41:33] * Marzo pokes wizardrydragon repeatedly with the Death Scythe in an attempt to get a reply
[00:43:11] <Marzo> Oh: you can now use repeat2 opcode in UCC
[00:43:23] <Marzo> You just have to nest a repeat onto another
[01:02:15] <wizardrydragon> Marzo, on Wikipedia
[01:02:18] <wizardrydragon> I fixed the link, too
[01:02:57] <Marzo> Oh
[01:08:45] <wizardrydragon> :D
[01:08:59] <wizardrydragon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exult
[01:09:29] <wizardrydragon> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Exult&action=history
[01:09:36] <wizardrydragon> Note the last contributor :D
[01:09:51] <Marzo> Never heard of him
[01:09:54] <Marzo> :-)
[01:09:59] <wizardrydragon> :-)
[01:10:36] <Marzo> I mean, who is this "Wizardry Dragon"? I only know a wizardrydragon, none else :-p
[01:11:49] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[01:11:56] <wizardrydragon> Dont forget the SleepingDragon
[01:12:10] <Marzo> True, I forgot about that one
[01:12:51] <wizardrydragon> :)
[02:03:48] <Crysta> i think im gonna redo the female paperdolls i already redid
[02:03:52] <Crysta> lol
[02:03:58] <Marzo> :-)
[02:04:07] <Marzo> Why not do the male ones first :-)
[02:04:09] * Marzo ducks
[02:04:13] <wizardrydragon> lmao
[02:04:15] <Crysta> i have :p
[02:04:20] <Crysta> and the male colors work better
[02:04:22] <Marzo> Wow
[02:04:24] <Marzo> I
[02:04:25] <Crysta> so ill use those
[02:04:25] <Marzo> am
[02:04:28] <Marzo> imoressed
[02:04:32] * wizardrydragon casts In Corp at Marzo to spare him the pain
[02:04:43] * Marzo dies
[02:04:50] <Marzo> *impressed
[02:12:33] <Marzo> Ack
[02:13:13] <Marzo> I was taking a closer look at multiracial avatars (the actual in-game sprites, not the paperdolls) to see if they were just recolors of one another
[02:13:28] <wizardrydragon> ....
[02:13:29] <wizardrydragon> :)
[02:14:04] <Marzo> While doing that, I noticed that the skin tone of the naked black avatar is different in frame 7 from all other frames
[02:14:37] <wizardrydragon> ...
[02:14:39] <wizardrydragon> TMI
[02:15:46] <Marzo> (what I was thinking was that perhaps -- just perhaps -- if we did our own recolors from the original avatars, it *might* be less of a legal minefield to distribute these recolors for a BG game)
[02:18:34] <wizardrydragon> Hrm
[02:18:38] <Crysta> hm
[02:18:42] <wizardrydragon> Or just make a whole new one and recolour it
[02:18:46] <wizardrydragon> Or just dont recolour at all
[02:18:58] <Crysta> technically in doing so we would just be trying to fix errors in the original tho
[02:24:00] <Crysta> just one set of male arms to finish
[02:24:08] <Crysta> so im stopping for a little bit cause im gettin bored
[02:24:09] <Crysta> lol
[02:24:32] <wizardrydragon> I must be bored
[02:24:40] * Marzo hits Crysta with the Rod of Motivation
[02:24:42] <wizardrydragon> Im smacking my head with a bottle repeatedly
[02:26:25] <Crysta> does the automaton paperdoll have any problems?
[02:26:56] <Marzo> I don't think so
[02:27:08] <wizardrydragon> It shouldnt
[02:27:12] <wizardrydragon> Crysta fixed it before
[02:27:18] <Marzo> I mean, it has the chunk in the back which the other two are missing
[02:27:34] <Crysta> well yeah but thats just probably a mistake
[02:27:39] <Crysta> and it gets covered up anyway
[02:27:47] <Marzo> Not in all cases
[02:27:51] <Crysta> and i didnt fix it wiz
[02:27:56] <Crysta> i made you the recolor
[02:28:01] <Marzo> When you are using two-handed weapons, in fact
[02:28:16] <Crysta> you mean that extra section pops over the arms?
[02:28:29] <Marzo> No, the arms move out of its way
[02:28:38] <wizardrydragon> Crysta: You fixed the female one/Petra
[02:28:39] <Crysta> so it has the same arm troubles
[02:28:40] <Crysta> lol
[02:28:47] <wizardrydragon> Crysta: Im looking at it right now :P
[02:28:47] <Crysta> i ko wim talking about the male now
[02:28:54] <wizardrydragon> A-ha
[02:28:56] <wizardrydragon> Thatd do it
[02:29:54] <Crysta> so should i bother with the automaton?
[02:30:11] <Marzo> For now, I'd say no
[02:30:26] <Crysta> thank you
[02:30:27] <Crysta> THANK
[02:30:28] <Crysta> YOU
[02:30:31] <Crysta> lol
[02:30:43] <Crysta> it has plenty of extra pieces id have to consider
[02:30:53] <Crysta> the arm joints and such
[02:31:44] <Marzo> Not to mention that they are slightly larger than other people's arms
[02:32:05] <Crysta> yeah but that doesnt cause as many armor problems
[02:32:14] <Crysta> (the colors match :P)
[02:32:22] <Marzo> :-)
[02:32:48] <wizardrydragon> lol
[03:13:27] <Crysta> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/crystaelf/paperdolls.gif
[03:16:23] <Crysta> *pokes Marzo*
[03:16:32] <Marzo> I got it, I got it
[03:16:37] <Crysta> just makin sure :p
[03:16:48] <Marzo> :-p
[03:16:58] <Marzo> :-
[03:18:45] <Crysta> ACK
[03:18:49] <Crysta> er.. delete that
[03:19:33] <wizardrydragon> Um
[03:19:37] <wizardrydragon> Stuff
[03:19:40] <Marzo> k
[03:19:42] <wizardrydragon> Yes stuff
[03:20:16] <Crysta> i was in such a hurry to send you the updated ones i forgot to add the changes to the female ones
[03:20:27] <Marzo> lol
[03:20:53] <Crysta> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v128/crystaelf/paperdolls1.gif you probably wont even see the difference, but its there
[03:21:45] <Marzo> The shade is much better in this new one
[03:21:47] <wizardrydragon> lol
[03:22:03] <Crysta> yeah
[03:22:06] <Crysta> they were too flat before
[03:22:16] <Crysta> so i took colors from the male ones which were really pretty good
[03:22:27] <Marzo> Hm
[03:22:35] <Crysta> i didnt touch the top woman arms
[03:22:40] <Crysta> but i changed the other set a little
[03:22:54] <Marzo> I notice a certain white-male bias in the part of the original artists -- maybe just a coincidence?
[03:23:11] <Crysta> uh..?
[03:23:32] <Marzo> The white paperdolls are better than the others, and the male paperdolls had better shading
[03:23:39] <Crysta> ah
[03:23:51] <Crysta> well i think its just a matter of bad color choices
[03:23:57] <Crysta> and making the best of what they had
[03:23:59] <Marzo> (just look at Petra vs automatons)
[03:24:12] <Crysta> i tried to add back what shading i could
[03:24:25] <wizardrydragon> Pfft.
[03:24:30] <Crysta> and i wouldve added a bit mroe to the females.. but eh.. adding to the original white female one woulda been a bit far
[03:24:33] <wizardrydragon> They obviosuly took a lot more time on Petra
[03:24:41] <Crysta> oh i know
[03:24:44] <Crysta> what with the errors
[03:24:48] <Crysta> and the incompleteness
[03:24:55] <Crysta> and the fact that none of the arms fit
[03:25:06] <wizardrydragon> Yes but that one actually looks hafldecent compared to the male automaton
[03:25:15] <Crysta> it just SCREAMS "I SPENT WEEKS ON THIS"
[03:25:19] <Crysta> are you kidding?
[03:25:27] <Crysta> i LOVe the male automaton
[03:25:41] <Crysta> thats why i modeled the petra fixes after it
[03:25:52] <Marzo> The original Petra paperdoll looked like rusted and worn out
[03:25:59] <wizardrydragon> Ew
[03:26:11] <Crysta> which didnt match her incredibly shiny and well kept portrait
[03:26:13] <Marzo> The automatons, on the other hand, were shiny
[03:26:13] <wizardrydragon> I hated it
[03:26:15] <wizardrydragon> The face
[03:26:17] <wizardrydragon> Ugh
[03:26:19] <Crysta> lol
[03:26:22] <Crysta> shush wiz
[03:26:23] <Crysta> please
[03:26:29] <Crysta> i cant tell if youre serious or joking
[03:26:34] <Marzo> The face is horrible, I give you that
[03:26:37] <wizardrydragon> Im quite serious
[03:26:42] <Crysta> which face
[03:26:45] <Crysta> the head face
[03:26:48] <Crysta> or the portrait face
[03:26:49] <wizardrydragon> The male automaton
[03:26:52] <Marzo> Automaton's head
[03:26:59] <Crysta> the male one is fine
[03:27:08] <Crysta> was made from the same base as the companions
[03:27:13] <Marzo> It is good -- but ugly
[03:27:16] <wizardrydragon> LOL
[03:27:17] <Crysta> the ones that are bad are everyone else
[03:27:25] <wizardrydragon> oh I see how it is
[03:27:33] <Crysta> its like they changed art teams half-way through
[03:27:40] <Crysta> and the new guys sucked
[03:28:15] <wizardrydragon> everythings horrible except that one piece you like :P
[03:28:26] <Marzo> Iolo, Shamino, Dupre and Avatar faces were not bad -- the others were terrible
[03:28:34] <Crysta> exactly
[03:28:35] <Crysta> :p
[03:28:41] <wizardrydragon> I dunno
[03:28:42] <Crysta> i dont mind the male automaton tho
[03:28:48] <wizardrydragon> the white male portrait
[03:28:51] <wizardrydragon> looked horrible
[03:29:02] <Crysta> nah
[03:29:13] <Crysta> the white FEMALE protrait looked horrible
[03:29:16] <wizardrydragon> it looked like richard simmons!
[03:29:18] <Crysta> the MALE one was passable
[03:29:24] <Marzo> Agreed
[03:29:26] <Crysta> *portrait
[03:31:32] <Crysta> wiz
[03:31:42] <Crysta> regardless of wether you liekd the male automaton or not
[03:31:52] <Crysta> you got to agree it at least matched the style of the rest of the game
[03:38:24] <wizardrydragon> Yes and no
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[04:15:03] <Crysta> well
[04:15:05] <Crysta> night all
[04:15:09] <Marzo> Night
[04:15:21] <Marzo> I am also going to bed, so good night wiz
[04:15:27] <Crysta> sorry.. got a new game i wanna play :p
[04:15:31] <Marzo> And Kirben, and servus
[04:15:44] <Crysta> sleep well marz ^^
[04:15:52] <Marzo> thanks
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[04:15:58] <wizardrydragon> Sleep well
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[04:16:01] <wizardrydragon> DAMNIT
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[17:49:53] <Marzo> lol
[17:50:12] <Marzo> You are flooding the channel with 'excess flood' messages
[17:51:13] <Marzo> In any case, here is something that might be useful for your UCC IDE:
[17:51:26] <Marzo> (\w+(\[\w*\]){0,1}\s+){0,1}\w+->([\w_]+)\((\w+\s+\w+(\[\w*\]){0,1},\s+)*(\w+\s+\w+(\[\w*\]){0,1}){0,1}\)
[17:51:46] <Marzo> Regexp to match any intrinsic call in the 'object' form
[17:51:59] <wizardrydragon> I know
[17:52:05] <wizardrydragon> my client had an aneurism
[17:52:15] <Marzo> (\w+(\[\w*\]){0,1}\s+){0,1}UI_([\w_]+)\((\w+\s+\w+(\[\w*\]){0,1},\s+)*(\w+\s+\w+(\[\w*\]){0,1}){0,1}\)
[17:52:31] <Marzo> Regexp for matching intrinsic calls not in object form
[17:52:42] <Marzo> Beautiful, aren't they :-)
[17:53:46] <Marzo> I will see about improving them, though
[17:53:46] <wizardrydragon> lol
[17:53:53] <Marzo> They don't see strings very well
[17:54:37] <wizardrydragon> heh
[18:00:07] <wizardrydragon> heh
[18:00:19] <Marzo> What?
[18:00:19] <wizardrydragon> "Integrals: my anti-derivative"
[18:00:59] <Marzo> :-)
[18:01:04] <Marzo> This one works better:
[18:01:05] <Marzo> ^\s*([\w_]+\s*=\s*){0,1}([\w_]+->|UI_){1,1}[\w_]+\(.*\);
[18:01:20] <Marzo> Maybe add a $ at the end
[18:02:07] <Marzo> Although it doesn't catch only intrinsics
[18:02:15] <wizardrydragon> heh
[18:02:48] <Marzo> Best version so far:
[18:02:49] <Marzo> ^\s*([\w_]+\s*=\s*){0,1}([\w_]+->|UI_){0,1}[\w_]+\(.*\);$
[18:03:11] <Marzo> Also matches things such as 'halt_schedule();'
[18:03:53] <Marzo> Matches any function or method call, in fact
[18:05:57] <Marzo> I have added a continue statement to UCC; will come in handy when (if) I improve the UCXT output
[18:05:57] <wizardrydragon> brb lunch
[18:06:02] <Marzo> bon appetit
[18:22:02] <Marzo> bbl
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[18:49:26] <Marzo> Back
[18:51:12] <wizardrydragon> moo
[18:51:19] <Marzo> oom
[18:51:27] <wizardrydragon> eheh
[18:51:41] <Marzo> deednI
[18:53:17] <wizardrydragon> oS
[18:54:53] <Marzo> ?tahw oS
[18:55:21] <wizardrydragon> ffuts oS
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[18:57:59] <wizardrydragon> looc sdnuos tahT
[18:58:50] <Marzo> drah-ylhsilleh dnA
[18:59:00] <wizardrydragon> lol
[18:59:08] <Marzo> ecno ti deirt I ,wonk I
[19:00:46] <Marzo> ekoj dlog 'szanS ta gnikool yb ytluciffid eht psarg nac uoY
[19:02:38] <wizardrydragon> lol
[19:02:39] <Marzo> ti edistuo niamer dluohs hcihw dna pool eht edisni og dluohs edoc hcihw gnitceted osla ,tub pool-fi eht gnitceted ylno ton si melborp ehT
[19:03:59] <wizardrydragon> derugif I
[19:21:59] <Marzo> SVC ot sgniht emos detimmoc I ,hO
[19:25:43] <wizardrydragon> yy
[19:25:46] <wizardrydragon> *yay
[20:47:43] <Marzo> brb
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[21:02:19] <wizardrydragon> ok
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