#tfl@irc.freenode.net logs for 9 Sep 2006 (GMT)

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[00:09:16] <Marzo> Hi
[00:11:47] <wizardrydragon> hi
[01:11:50] <Vistaer> LO
[01:12:15] <wizardrydragon> hi
[01:12:22] <Marzo> Hi
[01:13:59] <Vistaer> lo.
[01:14:27] <wizardrydragon> I hereby declare the greeting phase of the conversastion offivially over
[01:14:39] <Marzo> 'offivially'?
[01:14:45] <Marzo> :-)
[01:15:11] * wizardrydragon reminds Marzo worked from five in the morning till six today
[01:15:17] <Vistaer> :x
[01:15:30] <Vistaer> You need to get drunk.
[01:15:32] <Marzo> I'm just yanking yer' chain :-)
[01:15:35] <wizardrydragon> Six in the afternoon, before someone is a smartass
[01:15:36] <wizardrydragon> :P
[01:16:00] <wizardrydragon> Vis: I do! Anyone got some rye?
[01:16:09] <Vistaer> wtf. Rye.
[01:16:25] <wizardrydragon> Whiskey :P
[01:16:37] <Vistaer> oh good.
[01:16:51] * wizardrydragon thinks Vis can't have been in many bars :)
[01:17:19] <Vistaer> I just call it Jack. :I
[01:17:26] <wizardrydragon> lol
[01:18:50] <wizardrydragon> Its the irish stuff I drink, not that pithy american stuff, though :)
[01:24:17] <Vistaer> Now that we mention it, I need something to drink.
[01:24:25] * Vistaer whooshes off to the liquor store
[01:24:32] * wizardrydragon goes to find Dupre.
[01:33:14] <Vistaer> Try the fireplace.
[01:33:48] <wizardrydragon> Im trying to commune with the serpent, but the reception is crappy
[02:19:39] <Vistaer> Hey wiz, aside from storywriting (have some more up tomarrow) I was hoping to perhaps do some worldbuilding? :P
[02:20:09] <Vistaer> Civilized places hopefully. Towns, castles, villages, cities, etc.
[02:22:31] <wizardrydragon> Lol
[02:22:39] <wizardrydragon> For the moment that's my sasndbox
[02:23:09] <Vistaer> Bah. :I
[02:23:12] <wizardrydragon> The problem is, right now there is NO way to reaslly collaborate with worldbuilding unless you're working on another map altogether
[02:23:20] * Vistaer nods
[02:23:25] <Vistaer> Figured as much, heh
[02:23:41] <wizardrydragon> So unless there's something in Britannia that needs fixing, heh
[02:24:01] * Marzo ignores the obvious hint :-)
[02:24:20] * wizardrydragon prods Marzo with the meterstick of motivation
[02:24:21] <Vistaer> Trinsic blows up exult in latest release :I
[02:24:32] <wizardrydragon> Thats a snapshot, its not supposed to work :P
[02:24:49] <wizardrydragon> The current CVS works, Im gonna post it on the weekend
[02:24:54] <Vistaer> Okie.
[02:24:55] <Marzo> I take it that you mean that the initial cutscene doesn't work?
[02:25:14] * wizardrydragon reminds Marzo of Crysta's screenshots
[02:25:16] <Vistaer> No, I mean I started the mod, teled to trinsic and world goes a splode
[02:25:23] <Marzo> Oh, right
[02:25:25] <Vistaer> hehe
[02:25:39] <wizardrydragon> Vis: you casn fix that yourself, the installer is broke
[02:25:42] <wizardrydragon> *can
[02:25:44] <Marzo> The first April fools joke :-)
[02:25:55] <Vistaer> I'll wait for the weekend. :)
[02:25:58] <wizardrydragon> it copies files to Map00 and to the root dir
[02:26:11] <wizardrydragon> just delete u7map and all *fix files in the root mod dir.
[02:26:21] <wizardrydragon> That should un-splode Britannia :)
[02:26:46] <Vistaer> BTW
[02:27:06] <Vistaer> Any thoughts on perhaps having a Fellowship sub-plot occur?
[02:27:11] <wizardrydragon> Many.
[02:27:15] <wizardrydragon> What's yours? :)
[02:27:15] <Vistaer> Ah good.
[02:27:42] * wizardrydragon was considering having the Guardian somehow involved in TFL, but hasn't thought about it overly much.
[02:27:45] <Vistaer> Nothing at the moment, just vague ideas.
[02:28:05] * wizardrydragon thought it would be interesting to have to conflicting evil forces :)
[02:28:14] <Vistaer> just wanted to confirm them being possible before commiting too many brain cells to them, heh
[02:28:21] <wizardrydragon> lol
[02:31:11] <Vistaer> Im thinking stuff related to UW2 stuff rather than BG Guardian stuff
[02:34:56] * wizardrydragon is thinking many dfferent things :P
[02:35:15] * wizardrydragon has been trying to limit himself so TFL doesn't snowball *completely* out of control :)
[02:35:22] * Vistaer nods
[02:35:25] <Vistaer> Good.
[02:35:32] <Vistaer> That was Redemption's problem.
[02:35:49] <Vistaer> Avatus was turning ultima into something alien that ascension.
[02:36:26] <Vistaer> He had spiritwood being under the control of an anti-force of nature called "Silas" which basically lived off dying nature, and had evil type druids following him :/
[02:37:11] <Vistaer> And he destroyed Trinsic. Which pissed me off. It was my favorite city in 6 and 7 by far. :/
[02:39:41] <Vistaer> I was thinking some easter egg type things like a very very old man from Anodunos (ruined city in the ice world in UW2)
[02:40:15] <wizardrydragon> Trinsic kicks ass.
[02:40:21] <wizardrydragon> Don't mess with Trinsic.
[02:40:23] <wizardrydragon> :P
[02:40:33] <wizardrydragon> A lot of my ideas are more along those lines, Vis
[02:40:44] <wizardrydragon> Easter eggs and minor things that refer to other Ultima games
[02:40:44] <Vistaer> Or say a man who turns out to be a personal guard/scout of Lord Thibris from Killorn Keep that ended up in TFL by accident or such
[02:41:16] * wizardrydragon was considering having Spector for the WoU games pop up somehow somewhere
[02:42:23] * wizardrydragon has already been working on a throwback to UW1, though.
[02:46:16] <Vistaer> Well, here's some info you may be interested on building a small guardian subplot into.
[02:46:46] <Vistaer> In UW2 there was a liche who said that Mondain fought against the Guardian in life.
[02:47:03] <wizardrydragon> Hmm.
[02:47:19] <Vistaer> Since Mondain's source of power was the gem of immortality and the shards are its remains, perhaps it has some point that should be made
[02:47:21] <Vistaer> :P
[02:47:31] * wizardrydragon points out that there are many contradicting pieces of information regarding the Guardian
[02:47:37] <Vistaer> Indeed.
[02:47:47] <Vistaer> But UA's explanation should be ignored I think
[02:47:55] <Marzo> Agreed
[02:48:19] <Vistaer> U7:SI established that in the time of the "Imbalance Wars" the Guardian existed and influnenced SI's inhabitants.
[02:48:44] <Vistaer> Since that took place beofre U3 Exodus the whole guardian is your evil twin thing goes strait out the window
[02:49:38] <Vistaer> Not contradict UA's expansion and try and explain the guardian or such (bad idea for a U7 expansion), just simply go with the stuff established by U7, SI, UW, and Pagan.
[02:49:47] <Vistaer> "Guardian Era"
[02:50:30] <wizardrydragon> Indeed.
[02:50:45] <wizardrydragon> Im trying to stay away from anything that can be construed as an explanation
[02:51:32] <wizardrydragon> I tend to think if we approach that at all we should go all the way and tie up all those ends; there's no point in doing half a job with that. And seeing as I don't want that kind of work, I'm trying to avoid anything that could lead that way.
[02:54:38] <Vistaer> Heh
[02:55:59] <wizardrydragon> The one thing I have been working on right now other than TFL mapping and the intro is expanding the dungeon from U7 - considering all but a couple were pretty pathetically small :P
[03:05:14] <servus> I've considered porting the UW2 maps to U7.
[03:07:10] <wizardrydragon> Could be interesting.
[03:07:25] <wizardrydragon> Castle Britannia would have to be redone, most likely, though.
[04:36:21] <Vistaer> :O
[04:37:20] <wizardrydragon> Holy delayed reaction, batman
[04:37:50] <Vistaer> Well, technically, you could have an option to simply "fade out", and "Fade in" after the blackrock sphere encompasses teh castle months later (aka updated castle design in new map)
[04:37:54] <Vistaer> Bah shutddap. :I
[04:48:31] <Marzo> Good night
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[04:49:19] <wizardrydragon> Now I know how Crysta feels :P
[04:49:42] <wizardrydragon> And if I shut up, chances are this channel will remain quiet all evening, so, um, no.
[05:16:13] <servus> I didn't mean to actually play a game with the UW maps, but just to write the converter.
[05:17:13] <wizardrydragon> It could be interesting nonetheless
[05:17:50] <wizardrydragon> Im sure someone would see that asnd want to make a UW2 remake with it though :) Not that it'd be a bad thing.
[05:29:42] <servus> It wouldn't look right.
[05:30:00] <servus> And things would be inaccesible behind walls
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[18:22:14] <Marzo> Hi
[18:23:47] <wizardrydragon> hi
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[22:25:16] <wizardrydragon> Hiya Crysta
[22:25:28] <Marzo> Hi Crysta
[22:25:35] <Crysta> hi
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[23:35:52] <Crysta> 0.
[23:36:29] <Crysta> er... hit my keyboard accidentally
[23:36:35] <Crysta> anyway.. sure is dead in here
[23:36:44] <Marzo> lol
[23:36:46] <Marzo> Indeed