#uwadv@irc.freenode.net logs for 21 Jun 2007 (GMT)

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[17:53:07] <sol> yay Cahaan :D
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[18:31:32] <unfo> this channel could use a topic :)
[18:31:46] <sol> yea :)
[18:31:52] <sol> http://uwadv.sourceforge.net
[18:35:13] <unfo> whoa! I loved Ultima Underworld.
[18:35:49] <unfo> sourceforge will let you take over the account if the old maintainers are missing.
[18:36:05] <sol> yea, UW easily goes into my top 3 favorite games ever :)
[18:36:38] <sol> I'll have to track him down...I don't think he's missing.
[18:36:51] <sol> and, I have to see if I can take the project on, firstly
[18:36:54] <sol> not sure I'm a good enough coder :)
[18:37:02] <sol> never done a massive C project before
[18:37:59] <unfo> sol, u can definitely pitch in.
[18:38:11] <sol> I'll be the *only* one working on it :)
[18:38:15] <sol> that might not be enough to move it ahead
[18:38:26] <sol> we'll see...
[18:38:34] <unfo> sol, maybe i could help...
[18:38:43] <sol> you'd enjoy a project like this?
[18:38:44] <unfo> I wonder how I can get an Underworld CD though.
[18:38:47] <unfo> sol, yes.
[18:39:20] <sol> just download it. even if you could manage to find a legit copy nowadays, it doesn't support the company/game any which way.
[18:39:43] <unfo> sol, i am a fan of following copyright law.
[18:39:49] <unfo> that's what keeps the GPL afloat.
[18:40:47] <sol> well, you could try
[18:41:43] <unfo> my cousins may have a copy hanging around.
[18:44:03] <sol> typically what I do in this sort of scenario is still download it - but buy newer games made by the same company
[18:44:25] <unfo> an interesting compromise
[18:44:35] <sol> well, copyright is there for these companies specifically for fame/profit/etc
[18:44:41] <unfo> Why don't they release it as freeware? see also the liberatedgames website
[18:44:52] <sol> a lot of companies do that (+ release source)
[18:45:12] <sol> but, what happened with the company behind UW is confusing
[18:45:34] <sol> absorbed by a different company or something :)
[18:46:41] <sol> but yea, my view of copyright is lax I suppose
[18:46:56] <unfo> sol, release source: sometimes. release the data files: rarely :(
[18:47:00] <sol> I download music/games/etc
[18:47:05] <sol> if I like it, I buy it after
[18:47:08] <sol> if I don't, I delete it.
[18:47:33] <sol> star quest 1 was another game that was really cool too
[18:47:47] <sol> tracked the company itself down and bought the game long after anyone was selling it
[18:47:55] <unfo> cool!
[18:47:56] <unfo> how?
[18:48:49] <sol> search engines :)
[18:48:54] <sol> www.virtuadv.com
[18:49:18] <sol> I visited the site a few weeks ago to see if they'd released SQ2, it reminded me of uwadv, its why I'm here
[18:49:44] <sol> star quest 1 was so fun :)
[18:50:09] <unfo> i liked Monkey Island 1
[18:50:17] <sol> I never tried the monkey island series
[18:50:26] <unfo> also original NES games like Final Fantasy 1 and esp. DragonWarrior.
[18:50:44] <sol> those were awesome :D
[18:50:57] <sol> FF1, FF7, Chrono Trigger
[18:51:10] <sol> did you ever play Chrono Trigger?
[18:51:14] <unfo> nope
[18:51:18] <unfo> i heard it was amazing.
[18:51:18] <sol> hoho
[18:51:22] <sol> you're missing out big time, yeah
[18:52:38] <sol> what about ff7?
[18:52:56] <unfo> didnt like it
[18:53:07] <unfo> i only saw about 10 minutes of it though.
[18:53:08] <sol> played all of it or just a tiny bit?
[18:53:11] <sol> ahhh yea, you need to try more.
[18:53:21] <sol> when I first tried it, I was like "wtf, they ruined final fantasy"
[18:53:30] <sol> "whats this futuristic crap..."
[18:54:16] <unfo> (OT: what happened about the rewrite of uwadv?)
[18:54:17] <sol> but within an hour my opinion changed :)
[18:54:44] <sol> haha I think that's the only thing that's on topic... -- the project lead stopped working on it...and it doesn't look like anyone else was working on it much
[18:54:52] <sol> so it's "dead"
[18:55:28] <unfo> which works better? the old version or the rewritten one?
[18:55:47] <sol> don't know :)
[18:55:59] <unfo> try both.
[18:56:05] <sol> I think he's been re-writing it in-place
[18:56:41] <sol> nice clean code though
[18:57:02] <sol> wayyy over-commented, which is kinda nice in a way, I guess
[18:57:03] <sol> :)
[18:57:09] <sol> since my C isn't strong enough atm
[18:58:21] <unfo> sol, your C will improve over time. Buy the White Book though.
[18:58:29] <unfo> Try working on small stuff first.
[18:58:37] <unfo> e.g. the exercises in the book :)
[18:58:55] <sol> I've done C & C++ before
[18:59:01] <sol> and I know ASM/PHP quite well
[18:59:06] <sol> so it's not a difficult transition :)
[18:59:17] <sol> remembering it all is a pain is all
[18:59:32] <sol> like I need to think "<<" and ">>" instead of shl/shr
[18:59:33] <sol> hehe
[19:00:05] <unfo> sol, i suck at coding. But I know perl and a little C.
[19:01:12] <sol> I hate perl
[19:01:17] <sol> I used to use it before php
[19:01:21] <sol> it makes no sense to me now :)
[19:01:39] <sol> I remember learning it trying to figure out how to pass parameters to functions
[19:01:51] <sol> I remember some weird method like reading @_
[19:02:03] <sol> something like that :)
[19:02:56] <sol> lol wtf :/
[19:03:04] <sol> Making all in uadata
[19:03:04] <sol> make: don't know how to make uw1/scripts/cutscene.lob. Stop
[19:03:04] <sol> *** Error code 1
[19:03:12] <sol> what the hell's it trying to build that for :)
[19:09:43] <unfo> sol, see the makefiles :)
[19:09:50] <sol> did...
[19:10:39] <sol> I think it's trying to configure a lua script
[19:10:43] <sol> I'm gonna google what the heck a lob is :)
[19:10:55] <sol> lua binary maybe
[19:11:58] <sol> probably help to have lua installed :)
[19:12:08] <sol> configure script needs to check for that..
[19:18:56] <sol> looks like I'm going to have to learn all this autotools crap!
[19:18:57] <sol> :/
[19:19:23] <unfo> sol, did you download the autobook yet?
[19:19:25] <sol> "hey, lets make compiling easier by making some really confusing scripts that no one on the planet really understands"
[19:19:30] <sol> no, I've had it before though
[19:19:34] <sol> I didn't find it particularly helpful
[19:19:50] <sol> probably because I wanted to kill myself :)
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[21:05:43] <sol> unfo, you should help me clean up these auto files
[21:05:46] <sol> that would be *very* helpful :D
[21:05:47] <sol> hehe
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