#uwadv@irc.freenode.net logs for 27 Oct 2002 (GMT)

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[09:00:50] <QQtis> http://www.wam.umd.edu/~mshetty/music/
[09:01:02] <QQtis> two more pieces done
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[12:38:09] <wjp> QQtis: I like the new tracks :-)
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[14:31:58] <wjp> hi
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[14:35:01] <b-llwyd> allo
[14:35:53] <b-llwyd> about my voodoo3/opengl problems i had yesterday: i remembered that voodoo3 can only do hardware accel in 16-bit
[14:36:25] <wjp> what depth do we use?
[14:36:28] <b-llwyd> and as i was using 24-bit, it was understandable it was going slow (it used software, <nod>)
[14:36:41] <b-llwyd> dont know, but it didnt work when i tried uwadv in 16-bit
[14:37:12] <b-llwyd> i got these strange, white screens, completely white...and it faded to black, then back to white again when it switched screen
[14:38:12] <wjp> sounds bad
[14:38:22] <b-llwyd> mm
[14:38:36] <wjp> what did it say on the console for "setting video mode: ... x ..., ... bits"?
[14:39:01] <b-llwyd> im not at my computer atm, so i cant check, and i dont remember
[14:39:06] <wjp> ah, ok
[14:39:13] <b-llwyd> i cant recall anything like that, though
[14:39:46] <wjp> hmm... come to think of it... I don't think butterfinger supports the voodoo3 at all
[14:39:53] <wjp> (the textures are too large)
[14:39:58] <b-llwyd> oh
[14:39:59] <wjp> latest CVS might work, though
[14:40:05] <b-llwyd> ah
[14:41:47] <b-llwyd> i will be switching to a geforce<x> in a near future though, hopefully better opengl support
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[14:55:38] <Telemachos> hi there
[14:57:43] <b-llwyd> hi
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[17:06:17] <QQtis> heya folks
[17:06:22] <wjp> hi
[17:06:34] <QQtis> now I get up past noon with a big headache
[17:06:46] <QQtis> that's the price of digital music
[17:06:47] <QQtis> :))))
[17:06:53] <wjp> :-)
[17:09:21] <QQtis> noticed some bugs
[17:11:05] <QQtis> response to mouse movement has some strane lag
[17:12:31] <QQtis> I click around to move, nothing happens, then only a few seconds later it renders a sreen with a completely different position, as if it missed some 4 seconds of frames inbetween
[17:25:37] <wjp> I don't get that
[17:25:56] <wjp> mouse movement is smooth here
[17:27:43] <Telemachos> anyone knows the scale? Is a "tile height" equal to 1.0 units in openGL ?
[17:27:57] <Telemachos> I'm fixing the 3d collision btw =
[17:30:29] <wjp> ah, good :-)
[17:30:34] <wjp> sorry, don't know the scale
[17:31:13] <QQtis> hm..
[17:31:28] <Telemachos> ok.. I'll have to check myself
[17:31:35] <QQtis> by the way
[17:31:42] <QQtis> I discussed this sith vividos already
[17:31:47] <QQtis> but he seems to have forgotten it
[17:32:01] <QQtis> we have come to the conclusion that the POV is fixed a little too high up from teh floor
[17:32:51] <wjp> also, didn't the POV 'wobble' up and down a bit when walking?
[17:33:11] <wjp> (hm, not sure if 'wobble' is even an english word :-) )
[17:33:16] <Telemachos> ok.. the POV is totally disconnected from the CD though.. player position is saved as the position of his feet
[17:33:40] <Telemachos> Vividos must do some displacement from that position to get the POV..should be easy to adjust a bit downwards
[17:33:48] <QQtis> the POV actually pierces the ceiling plane in one of the gobblin areas, so that was a sure hint
[17:34:04] <QQtis> yeah, I guess he'll do it himself then
[17:34:09] <QQtis> by the way
[17:34:18] <QQtis> wjp - yes it is an english word
[17:34:22] <Telemachos> I think there might also be a problem with his near plane setting
[17:34:44] <Telemachos> wjp: I think the "3d-nerd" word for it is "head-bobbing" ;)
[17:34:56] <QQtis> but I don't remember exactly if that was the case - I think it's a minor detail we can implement later
[17:35:12] <wjp> 'bobbing' was the other word I was considering, but I was even less sure of that being proper english :-)
[17:35:22] <Telemachos> he heh
[17:35:54] <wjp> bbl, dinner
[17:36:07] <QQtis> well, who cares, really, none of us are native english- speakers, right?
[17:36:14] <Telemachos> btw - when I commit my CD code there'll be a new function for "point in triangle" calculation ;)
[17:36:16] <QQtis> this is Underworld International :)
[17:36:35] <Telemachos> I buy a beer to the guy who can explain to me how that one works ;) he heh... scary code indeed ;)
[17:42:46] <QQtis> don't look at me
[17:42:50] <QQtis> I'm teh clueless hippie here
[17:42:53] <QQtis> I just do teh music
[17:42:55] <QQtis> :)))
[18:16:25] <wjp> a 'point in triangle' calculation? ugh, that can be very messy indeed
[18:16:41] <wjp> I'll see if I can figure it out :-)
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[18:36:23] <vividos> hi
[18:37:19] <QQtis> hey vividos
[18:37:26] <QQtis> did you hera new music?
[18:37:29] <QQtis> heat
[18:37:30] <QQtis> hear
[18:37:33] <QQtis> :)))
[18:37:43] <wjp> :-)
[18:37:45] <wjp> hi vividos
[18:37:45] <vividos> yes, I listened to it a bit
[18:37:50] * wjp liked it
[18:37:57] <vividos> btw, I didn't forgot about the point of view :)
[18:38:29] <wjp> whee... 5 minutes until my system will self-destruct :-)
[18:39:23] <QQtis> :)))
[18:39:38] <vividos> a comment about "Descent": the xylophone (or whatever) playing at the beginning lacks a bit of "sound", compared to the MT-32 rendition
[18:39:49] <QQtis> I know
[18:39:52] <vividos> wjp: do you have "shutdown now" in the cronjobs?
[18:40:06] <wjp> I'm doing a live upgrade from RH73 to RH80
[18:40:12] <vividos> heh
[18:40:19] <QQtis> I spent haldf the night trying to improve upon that
[18:40:21] <wjp> and the package downloads are ~2 minutes from being done
[18:40:26] <QQtis> with littel luck
[18:40:34] <vividos> QQtis: another thing about the ogg encoding ... did you choose a quality factor or a bitrate?
[18:42:45] <QQtis> don't remember
[18:42:47] <QQtis> anyways
[18:42:52] <QQtis> I gotta go now
[18:42:55] <wjp> bye
[18:42:55] <QQtis> talk to you gusy later
[18:43:03] <QQtis> I took my wav files with me
[18:43:14] <QQtis> so I'll recompress later
[18:43:22] <QQtis> ok later dudes
[18:43:40] <vividos> ok bye
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[18:44:01] <vividos> ah, a pentagram-devel mail :)
[18:44:09] <wjp> download done... uh oh
[18:44:15] <wjp> and tons of CVS mails too :-)
[18:44:31] <vividos> didn't subscribe that one :)
[18:44:44] <vividos> good luck :)
[18:45:11] <wjp> 27 CVS mails yesterday and today
[18:45:34] * vividos takes a peek into cvs
[18:45:46] <wjp> I wonder if this running xchat will survive
[18:47:13] <vividos> is the "pentagram" module already being worked on?
[18:47:16] <wjp> yeah
[18:47:26] * vividos checks out that one, then
[18:51:38] <vividos> wjp, how's the storm over there at .nl?
[18:51:43] <wjp> pretty bad
[18:53:07] <vividos> may be because you live near the ocean
[18:53:12] <wjp> yeah
[18:53:38] <vividos> interesting cvs structure
[18:54:24] <vividos> hey, even an md3 model importer (uwadv needs that, too :)
[18:55:19] <vividos> hmm, the code currently doesn't have prefixes for classes or function names
[18:55:43] <wjp> no, and it won't have
[18:55:55] <vividos> is there a reason?
[18:56:21] <wjp> namespaces
[18:57:27] <vividos> but they aren't used (yet)
[18:57:35] <vividos> but is an option, yes
[19:00:09] <wjp> file /usr/share/info/latex.info-1.gz from install of tetex-latex-1.0.7-57 conflicts with file from package tetex-latex-1.0.7-57
[19:00:18] <wjp> hmmmm.... :-)
[19:00:39] <vividos> fun fun fun! :)
[19:02:04] <wjp> I'm going to install tetex from source anyway, so I might as well skip that one for now
[19:04:32] <vividos> ok, have to go. 'till later!
[19:05:17] <wjp> bye
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[22:01:24] <vividos> good evening
[22:01:38] <wjp> hi
[22:02:18] <vividos> just watched gattaca .. now back to uwadv coding :)
[22:02:37] <wjp> gattaca?
[22:03:26] <vividos> yes, movie on tv
[22:03:43] <vividos> http://us.imdb.com/Title?0119177
[22:04:34] <vividos> hi Telemachos, are you there?
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[22:10:11] <vividos> there he went
[22:12:26] <vividos> phew, rather long cvs mail Telemachos produced
[22:12:43] <wjp> oh, mail, right...
[22:12:46] * wjp fires up email client
[22:14:24] * wjp hadn't started his email client yet after the upgrade :-)
[22:15:00] <vividos> didn't dare to do that?
[22:15:05] <wjp> forgot :-)
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[22:28:34] <vividos> yee ha! new collision detection code works
[22:29:05] <b-llwyd> :)
[22:29:11] <vividos> hi b-llwyd
[22:29:18] <b-llwyd> hello
[22:33:55] <vividos> already tried current CVS of uwadv with the voodoo?
[22:34:43] <b-llwyd> no, not yet, just got home
[22:35:03] <b-llwyd> how big is the cvs download?
[22:40:26] <b-llwyd> my phone line is all...messed up cause of the rain here, cant do much internetting, ill be back tomorrow
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[22:47:29] <vividos> sorry, was away
[22:57:10] <vividos> hmm, should we do freshmeat announcement for uwadv?
[22:57:27] <wjp> up to you; but why not :-)
[23:03:44] <vividos> 9438 releases since I last logged in to fm
[23:06:03] <vividos> don't think I'll look through them all :)
[23:10:25] <wjp> :-)
[23:35:13] <vividos> do you know where Colourless got the md3 loading code?
[23:35:22] <vividos> (from pentagram)
[23:35:27] <vividos> s/from/for
[23:37:33] <wjp> not sure, but it could have been from one of the Quake's
[23:39:16] <wjp> or maybe he wrote them himself; the copyright header does say Ryan Nunn (== Colourless)
[23:43:26] <vividos> yes
[23:51:35] <vividos> *sigh* should go to bed now. bye!
[23:52:06] <wjp> g'night
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