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[00:12:34] <wjp> hi
[00:13:27] <Coren_> How goes?
[00:13:58] <wjp> hm, a bit slow last week, I guess
[00:14:04] <wjp> haven't seen vividos around lately
[00:14:51] <Coren_> Heh. My guess is end of term exams; which are also why I am not around as much either. :-)
[00:15:08] <wjp> :-)
[00:18:44] * Coren_ would guess some 80% of projects hosted on SF will find their activity reduced significantly for the next couple of weeks. :)
[00:19:20] <Coren_> I wish I wish I could get my grubby little paws on Arx Fatalis.
[00:21:54] <wjp> eek, it's past 1am already; I really need to go
[00:21:57] <wjp> bye
[00:22:00] <Coren_> See ya
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[00:27:41] <Eldron> ah.. arx fatalis.. I'd buy it..
[00:27:59] <Eldron> But Im spending cash on equipment instead.. a wacom!
[00:28:27] <Coren_> I'd buy it too; but I'm a student and so, by definition, broke. :)
[00:30:15] <Eldron> yeh, I know how that is like..
[00:32:41] <Eldron> gah.. oh I need that wacom to arrive soon.. Im drawing with the mouse instead now..
[00:32:44] <Eldron> http://eldron.20m.com/drawing/knight_wip.jpg
[00:33:00] <Eldron> hair is impossible without a wacom
[00:33:28] <Coren_> If you can do that with a mouse, I can't wait to see what you can do with a tablet!
[00:34:55] <Eldron> I'll be drawing alot by then
[00:37:29] <Coren_> Aaaaugh! I'm too short on time.
[00:37:33] * Coren_ grins
[00:37:41] * Coren_ is playing Star Control II again.
[00:38:03] <Coren_> But I messed up, spent too much time exploring and now there is no way in hell I can beat the Kor-ah to the punch.
[00:38:45] <Eldron> star control?
[00:38:49] <Eldron> old/new game?
[00:39:13] <Coren_> Mucho old.
[00:39:22] <Coren_> I played SC2 just before UW2 came out. :)
[00:39:56] <Coren_> But it resisted time VERY well; it's just immensely great space exploration/epic battle game.
[00:40:19] <Eldron> I think I have played it.. But I can't remember much..
[00:40:59] <Coren_> If you can remember the Orz telling you you are *happy camper* and like to *play* in *heavy space*, you have played it.
[00:41:28] <Coren_> Because *silly cows* cannot *smell* like Orz *fingers*. :)
[00:42:01] <Eldron> O_o
[00:42:18] <Coren_> Rings a bell?
[00:42:31] <Eldron> not at all
[00:43:07] <Coren_> Then you haven't played SC2. The creepy Orz are likely the most memorable outerdimentional aliens in computer gaming history. :)
[00:43:32] <Eldron> well, I didn't play it much, more like.. a couple of minutes..
[00:43:49] <Coren_> Aaah. Then you wouldn't have met the Orz. :)
[00:44:40] <Eldron> exactly
[00:44:40] <Coren_> Fairly easy to find on the web, if you can be bothered to set your box up to play an antique dos game.
[00:45:05] <Eldron> I usually dont have problems with running old games..
[00:45:17] <Eldron> the ultima underworld games runs just fine, with sound and everything
[00:45:31] <Coren_> Under dos itself?
[00:45:38] <Eldron> in windows :x
[00:45:51] <Coren_> How cruddy. :)
[00:46:02] * Coren_ uses Bochs for such tasks.
[00:46:22] <Eldron> but my windows has become a big memory leakage..
[00:46:43] <Coren_> Ah, it realized it's full potential. :) Expand to consume resources. :)
[00:46:46] <Eldron> runs out of memory after a half day of usage..
[00:47:20] <Coren_> 8:33pm up 76 days, 4:18, 3 users, load average: 1.20, 1.05, 1.01
[00:47:37] <Eldron> I'll do a clean wipe sometime soon
[00:47:45] <Eldron> M$ Windows:98 memory Usage: 383/384MB (99.74%) My CPUout: 1-AMD Athlon K7, 751MHz Resolution:: 1024x768 uptime(13h 17m 41s) I Currently Have this much space free: (c: 1.27gb)(D: 0GB)
[00:47:49] <Eldron> lol
[00:49:16] <Coren_> 8:35pm up 286 days, 9:33, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.00, 0.00
[00:49:21] <Coren_> That's my firewall.
[00:49:24] * Coren_ grins.
[00:49:49] <Coren_> IIRC 286 days ago was a hardware upgrade. :)
[00:49:56] <Eldron> hmm, i want a powerful laptop with a tiny tablet.. that would be so lovely..
[00:50:21] <Eldron> all I have now is that unstable bunch up there and a semi-working monitor..
[00:50:54] <Coren_> Get ye a nice Compaq Armada. Very Linux friendly.
[00:52:50] <Coren_> Erm. I have to get back to cramming for the crypto exam.
[00:53:08] * Coren_ HATES elliptic curve crypto. Evil math.
[00:54:13] <Coren_> "Prove the NP-hard nature of elliptic curve cryptography." -- "I'll take your word for it". :)
[00:54:18] <Eldron> eek, math.. thats not my strongest area atm.. Im soo missing my math classes.. forgetting stuff, and simply not learning stuff :)
[00:54:59] <Coren_> Crypto is nice; it's mostly about information. But sometimes the math is outright scary.
[00:55:33] <Eldron> Im hopefully having my 3d-design classes this spring.. then I will roxxor
[00:55:52] <Coren_> Large prime crypto is not so hard; modulo arithmetic fits in my brain. But the elliptic curves principles cause overflows and shorts somewhere deep in my limited math cortex. :)
[00:56:49] <Eldron> hmm, must draw a texture for the gazer soon
[00:57:15] <Coren_> 3d is fun. Nothing more complicated than simple matrices and planar geometry.
[00:57:41] <Eldron> I really never understood matrices while doing ogl..
[00:58:26] <Eldron> all I had to do was glTranslate and glRotate, I didn't worry about matrices and such :)
[00:59:05] <Coren_> Well, you don't /need/ to understand the matrix operations underneath to /use/ OpenGL, but it really helps when you're trying to do things like mesh deformations or IK.
[00:59:59] <Eldron> though, I think I will never do that, Im giving up programming to just focus on making graphics..
[01:00:03] <Coren_> Take a peek at Mesh::apply_bones() in granny.cc of my CVS tree if you want to see why. :)
[01:00:37] <Coren_> Or most of Bone::*() in the same file for that matter. :)
[01:01:51] <Eldron> soo much code..
[01:02:08] <Coren_> I actually cheat and use the gl matrix ops to ease the pain, too.
[01:02:14] <Coren_> float mat[16];
[01:02:15] <Coren_> transform(mat);
[01:02:15] <Coren_> glMultMatrixf(mat);
[01:02:16] <Coren_> glGetFloatv(GL_MODELVIEW_MATRIX, mat);
[01:02:19] * Coren_ smiles.
[01:05:38] <Eldron> I do have some of that coder stuff in me, its really interesting to see something on the screen that you programmed :), especially that first hardware accelerated triangle..
[01:05:50] <Eldron> But.. drawing and modelling comes first
[01:09:51] * Coren_ smiles.
[01:10:27] <Coren_> That's allright. Us bits jockeys need people actually able to do things like modeling and drawing. There is only so much one can do with animating stickmen. :)
[01:11:45] <Coren_> Ok, enough procrastinating. I need to study.
[01:11:47] * Coren_ waves.
[01:12:17] <Eldron> hehe
[01:12:22] <Eldron> I'll go sleep now
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[17:53:13] <vividos> hi
[17:53:23] <Eldron> hey
[18:04:05] <vividos> hmm, what is a wacom?
[18:04:34] <Eldron> digital tablet
[18:04:39] <Eldron> drawing tool..
[18:05:29] <Eldron> a pressure sensetive pad, and a special pen.. truly wonderful..
[18:06:17] <vividos> ah cool
[18:06:51] <vividos> with such a thing even me could probably some nice graphics ... on the other hand ... no, better not :)
[18:07:16] <Eldron> hehe, you still got to be able to draw :)
[18:07:27] <Eldron> but it sure beats the hell out of the mouse
[18:08:05] <wjp> hi
[18:08:08] <vividos> I didn't draw anything with a computer since the 'amica paint' times on c64
[18:08:09] <vividos> hi wjp
[18:21:06] <vividos> hmm, interesting stuff about #pragma interface/implementation: http://mintzer.pqdot.net/cgi-bin/wiki/wiki.pl?Compiler_Issues
[18:21:14] <vividos> I wonder if this really works
[18:22:41] <wjp> interesting; I've been wondering about that
[18:47:46] <vividos> aah, stygianabyss.com finally posted the release note :)
[19:03:18] <vividos> http://towmotor.net/games/
[19:14:29] <vividos> bbl
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